knicks fans reactions on lin leaving and having an incompetent owner

[Fafnir]

Did Lin get overpaid forcing the Knicks not to be able to match?

Given that they said they would match a four year 30 million dollar deal I don't think it was the overpaid part that was the issue.

Rather that Dolan/Melo got p---y with him over talking with the Rockets. (which is what the Knicks told him to do to establish the "market")

[Change]

Still shocked about the decision. James Dolan was never shy dishing out cash. $10s millions of dollar on coaches he fired, Hundreds of millions of dollars on scrubs. Why stop here? Was it an ego thing?

[Fafnir]

To be fair, Felton got fat during the lockout, when half the league (including some of the C's) got fat, thinking the season would be cancelled.

I think Felton will end up one of the bargains of the summer. 

He stayed fat though.

[Fafnir]

Still shocked about the decision. James Dolan was never shy dishing out cash. $10s millions of dollar on coaches he fired, Hundreds of millions of dollars on scrubs. Why stop here? Was it an ego thing?

I think it was.

I think Dolan along with some of the Knicks players didn't like how things went with the Rockets and his contract. (Melo and Smith's comments)

[flyofchange]

I dont blame the knicks management for not throwing money at this guy.

Honestly i dont think hes really that good, besides hes really not a point. My nickname for him after that thrashing by the celts was "The Turnover Machine" i think that fits...

You mean the game where it went to OT after the C's blew an 8 point lead in the fourth quarter and needed a ridiculous three point shot from Pierce to force OT?

He did have 6 turnovers that game which is bad and also had a "meh" game overall but a "thrashing"?

The only other time he played Boston he got about 6 minutes and got his shot blocked a few times, got an assist, and hit two free throws before he got benched again.

You misunderstood, i wasnt talking like it was a thrshing blowout-points wise, just the point guard mathup with rondo.

Compare rondos stats in that game to lins, thats what i was talking about.

[celtsfan84]

I have a feeling Knicks fans will be changing their tune (or at least should be) soon.  

Lin caught lightning in a bottle.  He came into a perfect situation, where he was in the perfect system, where the stars were hurt, and they needed him to step up, and where he was having an incredible hotstreak.  

That led to an incredible 15 minutes of fame, and like some of the great entertainers who died at the height of their greatness, when he got injured, the flaws in his game had not yet been properly exposed, and everyone only remembers the good times.

I have a feeling once he gets settled in Houston, and the 15 minutes is up when he can't live up to the insane hype that was built on an unprecedented hot streak in a perfect situation, he is just going to be another overpaid backup PG, who no one wants.  

Define overpaid.  MSG's market cap jumped $71 million during his run and dropped $50 million yesterday alone after his departure was announced.

How can a guy who provides enormous return on investment be overpaid from a financial standpoint?  You really think the Knicks won't make back his contract on his marketability alone?  It is impossible to overpay Jeremy Lin.

[Chris]

To be fair, Felton got fat during the lockout, when half the league (including some of the C's) got fat, thinking the season would be cancelled.

I think Felton will end up one of the bargains of the summer. 

He stayed fat though.

On a terrible team that quit on their coach worse than any team I have ever seen.  

Believe me, I am not standing up for the guy.  He mailed the season in.  But from a value standpoint, he is a player that I think is in an ideal buy low situation.  Now, he is back where he wanted to be all along, and he should be motivated to revitalize his career.  

[RLewis35]

I will say this, I think there's at least a shot Knicks fans are vindicated and that Lin proves to be a one hit wonder, or at least not nearly as good as he was for his midseason stretch last season.  

For instance, he averaged 21 and 8 for the month of February and then 14 and 6 for the month of March.  

Could it be the rookie wall?  Sure.  But that's an awful quick wall after one month of good play.  And that's not to say he might not have a good career, but he also might simply be a middle of the pack starting PG and not ever be anything truly special.

Still, the Knicks took a terrible PR blow here and will likely lose marketing dollars.  

Even a middle of the pack playmaking PG is a much needed piece to help this squad contend.

I wouldn't blame other teams for passing on such huge tax penalties, but the Knicks have paid similar amounts before and already have foolishly burned their Amnesty to get Chandler when they already had Amar'e.

I'm not saying it's a great move by the Knicks.  I'm just saying that it might not be the franchise-haunting move that ESPN and other media outlets seem to make it out to be.  

I think there's probably a better chance that Lin ends up being a guy who puts up 15 and 6-7 for his career than a guy who puts up 20 and 10.  That's nothing to scoff at, it's still good.  But it's not something that they can't recover from.  It's also not something that Raymond Felton hasn't done before.  

I think the bigger regret they'll probably have it from a marketing standpoint with New York's large Asian American population.  

I cosign this.  I do think from a business perspective it is a mistake from everything I've heard but I don't like Lin's fit with their roster and I don't expect him to make some sort of leap.

Fit within the roster?  Since when do the Knicks care about that?  They didn't when they traded half their team to pair one volume scorer (amare) with another (melo).  They didn't when they added JR Smith and kept him.  They didn't when they got Felton who is a PG who cant hit an open 3.  Why care about that now with Jeremy Lin?

[Snakehead]

Still shocked about the decision. James Dolan was never shy dishing out cash. $10s millions of dollar on coaches he fired, Hundreds of millions of dollars on scrubs. Why stop here? Was it an ego thing?

I think it was.

I think Dolan along with some of the Knicks players didn't like how things went with the Rockets and his contract. (Melo and Smith's comments)

I also heard some things about them feeling that Lin wasn't being grateful to them and that they were upset he wasn't willing to play in the playoffs even though he could have because he was eyeing a payday.

To be fair, Felton got fat during the lockout, when half the league (including some of the C's) got fat, thinking the season would be cancelled.

I think Felton will end up one of the bargains of the summer.  

He stayed fat though.

On a terrible team that quit on their coach worse than any team I have ever seen.  

Believe me, I am not standing up for the guy.  He mailed the season in.  But from a value standpoint, he is a player that I think is in an ideal buy low situation.  Now, he is back where he wanted to be all along, and he should be motivated to revitalize his career.  

I agree with this.  I'd be surprised if he stayed fat and fell off like that.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Love how the Knicks fans just drop F words on Dolan.

I still don't understand, I thought they'd match any offer "up to a billion dollars" and when Houston changed the offer all of a sudden they won't?

[jyyzzoel]

Did Lin get overpaid forcing the Knicks not to be able to match?

Yep.

if he got overpaid, it was only slightly.

if michael beasley gets 6 mill a yr from phoenix, lin getting basically 8.5 mill a year for 3 years is ok. it certainly is a better contract than carmelo anthony's, and amare stoudamire's... he's only going to get better...

and considering that i think john wall will get at least 8 mill from washington when his contact becomes unrestricted, it's not absurd to pay lin that much.

[wdleehi]

1)  Lin only put up numbers when there was no one else out there.  He wasn't the same player once Melo was back.  Melo is not leaving

2)  The Knicks went the overpayed super bloated payroll route before.  It took them a decade to dig out of it.  

3)  The Knicks made a basketball decision, not a make money decision.  Isn't that what fans want from a team?




Lets be honest, if the Knicks win, they will make the money.

[Fafnir]

To be fair, Felton got fat during the lockout, when half the league (including some of the C's) got fat, thinking the season would be cancelled.

I think Felton will end up one of the bargains of the summer. 

He stayed fat though.

On a terrible team that quit on their coach worse than any team I have ever seen.  

Believe me, I am not standing up for the guy.  He mailed the season in.  But from a value standpoint, he is a player that I think is in an ideal buy low situation.  Now, he is back where he wanted to be all along, and he should be motivated to revitalize his career.  

I'm not a Woodson fan myself so I have my doubts.

I actually liked the move to get Felton, I just didn't feel like it should have impacted their Lin decision. Given that Kidd is essentially a glorified SG in many aspects and that Lin is definitely more a combo guard than a PG it seemed to still work in my view.

[Fafnir]

1)  Lin only put up numbers when there was no one else out there.  He wasn't the same player once Melo was back.  Melo is not leaving

2)  The Knicks went the overpayed super bloated payroll route before.  It took them a decade to dig out of it.  

3)  The Knicks made a basketball decision, not a make money decision.  Isn't that what fans want from a team?




Lets be honest, if the Knicks win, they will make the money.

They're just talking about it in money terms, which is why I don't believe it was a basketball decision.

Their payroll will still be bloated till Lin's contract ends anyways because of Amar'e/Chandler/Melo.

For a team that desparately needs some quality guard play to go with their front court saying that he doesn't fit puzzles me. No good player who likes to dribble the ball fits with Melo by that standard....

[celtsfan84]

1)  Lin only put up numbers when there was no one else out there.  He wasn't the same player once Melo was back.  Melo is not leaving

2)  The Knicks went the overpayed super bloated payroll route before.  It took them a decade to dig out of it.  

3)  The Knicks made a basketball decision, not a make money decision.  Isn't that what fans want from a team?

Lets be honest, if the Knicks win, they will make the money.

And if they win with Lin, they would make more money.  Which is what makes this decision stupid.

They could trade Carmelo to Sacramento for nothing and still make money.  They are the Knicks.  It wouldn't make that decision smart.