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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2012, 03:51:27 AM »

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It's just not that important (as far as this particular team's strategy goes). What's more important is that we get back on defense and stop the other team from scoring.

Once we get that good shot, the most important aspect is to ensure that the other team doesn't get a high percentage shot. Don't worry about rebounding because if we can stop them scoring, we don't need to put an emphasis on rebounding

Deny the ball and force the opponents to take an ill-advised shot/possession-preferably a jumpshot. Get the defensive rebound

The last 5 years has been about getting back on defense and stopping them from scoring. People say 'well why don't we rebound and defend together?'. It just doesn't work that way,

you reiterated my point - i saw way too many possessions where the Celtics worked very hard and forced a bad shot only to surrender one or even two offensive rebounds that forced them to do the same work all over again.


and great defense and great defensive rebounding do go hand in hand - not sure where you got the idea that it was so difficult to have both - if you don't, you defeat your whole purpose.


Now ......... can anyone address my Pietrus question ?

 Defense can lead to bad shots, leading to defensive rebounds-Everyone knows this. But the point is that Doc Rivers does not encourage offensive rebounding and is adamant that they get back on defense instead of fighting for the offensive boards and second shot. He isn't going out and getting guys who are rebounding specialists just for the defensive end- they have a priority to get 1) elite defenders and 2) guys who can score jump shots at a high rate to increase our offensive efficiency. He's got Jeff Green, Wilcox and Sullinger to hopefully increase our benches rebounding, but still it's just not that important to our strategy.
Our defensive rebounding rate is not bad- it's about average, it's our offensive rebounding rate that is terrible and it brings our total rebounding numbers down tremendously.
We are right around the middle of the pack for defensive rebounding percentage at 72.4%, but our offensive rebounds are easily the lowest in the NBA at 19.7%. The closest to the bottom after us are Golden State at 23% - a huge difference by NBA standards. Our defensive rebounding numbers are actually better than OKC's. But their offensive numbers destroy us because we choose to get back on defense. Their bigs stay inside the paint, get the ball, and kick it back out to the elite wings for another shot. Our bigs stretch the floor and run plays off the elbows, utilizing their superior shooting ability. Ie: Bass, KG, Steimsma
If we want to be a great offensive rebounding team, we need to do things like: Get more players like Jeff Green or a young Paul Pierce, or Josh Smith and Lebron James, who are bigger wings that can get to the hoop and create multiple second chance looks for themselves. Or we need All Star caliber big men to get the wings crumbs and get their own crumbs from close range shots. Unfortunately, we don't have big guys or multiple wing options like that, and they felt the ones on the free agent market were too expensive- so they are sticking to their strategy of a jump shooting team that shoots at a high clip and shoots free throws well- while getting back on defense to force the rest of the NBA (who aren't as good as us at jumpshooting), to take similar 15-20 feet shots.
I hope it isn't too hard to understand my rambling, but you're making it sound like it's easy to put together a team of elite rebounders that can get offensive rebounds and be a great defensive team. There's only two teams like that in the NBA and they're the Bulls and the Heat-teams with mulitple All Stars and MVP players in their prime. The Grizzlies are close to them but their offense isn't as polished.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2012, 11:31:09 AM »

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Judgin from what doc was quted as sayig in the Boston Herald...."I dont want my players reounding, i just want them t gt back on defense" should've been enough info...also a guy who is missing a major point in the game.....yes, we did well last year...and the year before...but with that team,we only won ONE.....and we shouldhve had at least 2....esp the one vs the lakers.....rebounding is a needed part of this game....this isn't pickup hoop..!

Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2012, 11:33:23 AM »

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Judgin from what doc was quted as sayig in the Boston Herald...."I dont want my players reounding, i just want them t gt back on defense" should've been enough info...also a guy who is missing a major point in the game.....yes, we did well last year...and the year before...but with that team,we only won ONE.....and we shouldhve had at least 2....esp the one vs the lakers.....rebounding is a needed part of this game....this isn't pickup hoop..!

That only applies to offensive rebounding. Our biggest problem is when we allow second chance points when we don't secure the defensive rebound.

We just should have everyone crashing the boards, and we'd do well.

Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2012, 11:45:20 AM »

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I like how people seem to think we can just get anyone we want.  You don't think we made a run at Camby?  He didn't want to be here.

As for the others you threw out there for names, no thanks.

He drafted Sully, brought back Wilcox.  That's about as good as we are going to do.  We will see if we get Darko, that would be another answer there.

Also, this will never be an offensive rebounding team.  People need to come to grips with this.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2012, 12:33:55 PM »

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I tell ya, Artsiom Parakhouski is our answer.

I'd take him over Darko in a flash.  Along with unreal rebounding numbers in college, the guy just played his first SL game since he played for the C's two years ago.  Art grabbed 8 boards, shot 6-8, got a block and hit his FT in 16 minutes. 

(It took Sullinger 28 minutes/game to get his 8-rebound average.)

Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2012, 12:45:14 PM »

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That is the question that has been bugging me all this time. We need a beast or two down there and we seem not to care. How did we lose a lot of games last year? We got outrebounded to the tenth degree. It seems we gave the opposition 20 more points per game than we had. I read that someplace. And we are worried about a 2 or a 3. Well, Not much we can do about it so we will stay the same, no matter how much we move laterally. Not much movement forward in the trench wars, where battles are finally won. So be it. Im just a fan.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2012, 12:58:19 PM »

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i thought our biggest problem was our offense? this team goes on way too many scoring droughts and tends to become jumpshot-happy, even if the shots aren't falling.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2012, 01:48:07 PM »

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Ive always had it in the back of my head; no serious evidence to either confirm it or dispute it: It seems to me that a NBA Coach that was a playing 1,2 ot 3, will tend to get inmersed in teh trading and/or drafting players within those 3 categories. Coaches that played either 4 or 5 seem to be more interested in players in thos two categories. Danny, having been a 2, would give support to Doc, another 2. That would justify their interest in pursuing 2 and 3 over a 5 which we sorely need to try to remedy the papent weakness we have suffered from since we won in 2008. Maybe its just the nature of the beast. Nothing to prove my point - just the coincidence Ive been aware of for a long time now. Just food for thought....
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2012, 02:03:03 PM »

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In the playoffs our scoring droughts were a lot more problematic than our rebounding. It seemed like once the playoffs started our rebounding improved through sheer effort.

This makes me believe that if a large rotation is used this team will be able to rebound at a playoff level because our players will be fresh.

We're never going to be a good offensive rebounding team because we rarely have more than one player crash the offensive glass.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2012, 02:05:59 PM »

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i thought our biggest problem was our offense? this team goes on way too many scoring droughts and tends to become jumpshot-happy, even if the shots aren't falling.

Defensive rebounding is a very important part of team defense- the Celtics happen to be an excellent defensive team.  Our weakness in one aspect of that defense (rebounding) is all but cancelled out by the strengths our D has.
Our offense is and has been the issue.  Which is why Danny acquired the Jet and brought back Bass.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2012, 02:39:49 PM »

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alot of rebounding is just skill in knowing where the ball is going to go once it hits the rim..

Wilcox is a good rebounder, and Sullinger should get minutes next year and is a good rebounder as well

Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2012, 02:49:46 PM »

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The Celtics have improved the big men on the bench.


They have gone from Hollins and an injured Steimer to Wilcox and Sullinger. 


Chances are, they will add at least one more low income big man. 




Meanwhile at guard, they had to replace Ray, and a fill in for Bradley. 

Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2012, 03:40:42 PM »

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If they have the other needed skills, rebounding  is all about effort.  Someone has to stay home and crash the boards.  I don't understand why that is not a priority with Doc.  I can't
see why he wants them all to get back to set up defense (on offensive boards).  Fab could rack up some nice points with putbacks.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #58 on: July 15, 2012, 04:06:26 PM »

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Judgin from what doc was quted as sayig in the Boston Herald...."I dont want my players reounding, i just want them t gt back on defense" should've been enough info...also a guy who is missing a major point in the game.....yes, we did well last year...and the year before...but with that team,we only won ONE.....and we shouldhve had at least 2....esp the one vs the lakers.....rebounding is a needed part of this game....this isn't pickup hoop..!

That only applies to offensive rebounding. Our biggest problem is when we allow second chance points when we don't secure the defensive rebound.

We just should have everyone crashing the boards, and we'd do well.
Boxing out has to be the easiest thing i evr did as a player..and the results are absolute..the guy i boxed out NEVER got a rebound....and I had to exert VERY little energy to do it........most guys just realize they are boxed out and move on.....and for other, previous posts here, remember an undersized guy named /Leon Powe.....? Rebound-city....why...because HE WANTED THEM..and his put backs and the fouls he drew...let me tell you first hand...the #1 guy other teams hate is the Leon Powe type ( like ME ).....ask anyone.....! He gets the ball, draws the foul, AND scores....their bigs get in foul trouble....it is the BEST deal for US...wish we had him or a guy like him.....and he never fouled out..unlike crazy perk-o-later perk...!