This is Rondos year! 2012-13 nba MVP!

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Nah.

When Nash won those MVP's he was getting as many assists as Rondo, but also scoring 17-19 a night while shooting RIDICULOUS percentages of 50%/44%/90% ... Rondo is a great point guard, but he's completely unreliable on the offensive end.  He can pass and play solid defense.. and run an offense as well as anyone in the league... but he lacks the ability to create his own shot or score consistently... a skill that point guards (equal to him in playmaking) like Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Nash have.... and point guards (less than him in playmaking) like Rose and Westbrook also have.

Rondo did have an amazing playoff this year, though.  But he's had huge series in the past (2009 comes to mind) that didn't translate to huge regular seasons. 

The idea that Rondo can not create his own shot is absurd. I would say "did you watch the playoofs?", but since you mentioned them in your post I know you did which leaves me wondering what you are talking about. It is true that he doesnt score in the high teens consistently but I believe it is commonly recognized around the league that he doesn't try to score big every night- only when it is needed. Steve Nash has never averaged more assists in a season than Rondo did this year. The most he ever averaged was 11.6. Paul, Williams, despite being very good playmakers, are nowhere close to Rondo as far as being a set-up man.

Rondo's best:  11.9 points, 11.7 assists 45%/24%/60%
Nash's best:  18.6 points, 11.6 assists 53%/45%/90%
Paul's best:  22.8 points, 11 assists  50%/36%/87%
Deron's best:  18.8 points, 10.5 assists, 51%/40%/80%

You figure if Chris Paul is scoring 22.8 points and 11 assists... that' means he's minimum responsible for 44.8 points per night, right?  Likely more if his teammates are scoring threes.   If rondo is getting 11.9 and 11.7... that means he's minimum responsible for 35.3 points per night.   

Do you get my point?  All of those guys are more consistent scorers than Rondo.  If they only needed to score 12 a night, they could easily get more than 11 assists.  They already proved capable of getting 11 assists while scoring far more consistently than ROndo likely ever will be able. 

You can't possibly say that Rondo's 11.7 assists is more impressive than Nash's 11.6 assists.  That's just ignorant.  Nash scored 18.6 points, because his shooting percentages were RIDICULOUS 53%/45%/90%... If he was a subpar scorer like Rondo, then he presumably would have taken less shots (or he'd be a detriment to his team)... in which case, he would have made up for the shots by using offensive possessions to rack up more assists... and thus... would have averaged more assists than Rondo did last year.

Rondo has work to do in the scoring department, but he showed in the playoffs he can score obviously and well see if he can keep it up and translate it over to next season. He also showed in the reg season against the knicks that he has a high talent level and a truly unique skillset (18,20 and 17!! who does that at his size??)

I think he is the best OVERALL poin in the game.

Id rather have rondo on my team than any of these guys your talking about cause he is truly unigue, hes young and in his prime and the sky is the limit with this kid.

[LarBrd33]

Nah.

When Nash won those MVP's he was getting as many assists as Rondo, but also scoring 17-19 a night while shooting RIDICULOUS percentages of 50%/44%/90% ... Rondo is a great point guard, but he's completely unreliable on the offensive end.  He can pass and play solid defense.. and run an offense as well as anyone in the league... but he lacks the ability to create his own shot or score consistently... a skill that point guards (equal to him in playmaking) like Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Nash have.... and point guards (less than him in playmaking) like Rose and Westbrook also have.

Rondo did have an amazing playoff this year, though.  But he's had huge series in the past (2009 comes to mind) that didn't translate to huge regular seasons. 

The idea that Rondo can not create his own shot is absurd. I would say "did you watch the playoofs?", but since you mentioned them in your post I know you did which leaves me wondering what you are talking about. It is true that he doesnt score in the high teens consistently but I believe it is commonly recognized around the league that he doesn't try to score big every night- only when it is needed. Steve Nash has never averaged more assists in a season than Rondo did this year. The most he ever averaged was 11.6. Paul, Williams, despite being very good playmakers, are nowhere close to Rondo as far as being a set-up man.

Rondo's best:  11.9 points, 11.7 assists 45%/24%/60%
Nash's best:  18.6 points, 11.6 assists 53%/45%/90%
Paul's best:  22.8 points, 11 assists  50%/36%/87%
Deron's best:  18.8 points, 10.5 assists, 51%/40%/80%

You figure if Chris Paul is scoring 22.8 points and 11 assists... that' means he's minimum responsible for 44.8 points per night, right?  Likely more if his teammates are scoring threes.   If rondo is getting 11.9 and 11.7... that means he's minimum responsible for 35.3 points per night.   

Do you get my point?  All of those guys are more consistent scorers than Rondo.  If they only needed to score 12 a night, they could easily get more than 11 assists.  They already proved capable of getting 11 assists while scoring far more consistently than ROndo likely ever will be able. 

You can't possibly say that Rondo's 11.7 assists is more impressive than Nash's 11.6 assists.  That's just ignorant.  Nash scored 18.6 points, because his shooting percentages were RIDICULOUS 53%/45%/90%... If he was a subpar scorer like Rondo, then he presumably would have taken less shots (or he'd be a detriment to his team)... in which case, he would have made up for the shots by using offensive possessions to rack up more assists... and thus... would have averaged more assists than Rondo did last year.  The point is that as the hall of famers fade away from the Celtics, Rondo will be asked to score the ball more.  If he's asked to score the ball more that means he'll be taking more shots.  If he's taking more shots that mean's less offensive possessions to get assists.  Less offensive possessions to get assists = less assists.  This isn't rocket surgery.

FYI, to counter the above... someone might want to delve deeper into amount of offensive possessions and the pace of which each of the above offenses played.  It would be a fair observation to point out that 2005 Nash's Suns team played at a faster pace than the 2012 Celtics... and if there were more offensive possessions in general, it would explain how Nash could score 18.8 and get 11.6 assists at the same time.  I'm too lazy to dig that deep.  It doesn't explain away the fact that Rondo has (thus far excluding his passable playoff shooting averages) been a completely unreliable and inconsistent scorer who is seemingly incapable of doing what CP3, Nash and Rose did at their best.  He's got limited offensive ability... his best choice is almost always to pass the ball.

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Anybody care to remind me what Rondo's averages were this past playoffs?

17.3 points 11.9 ast 6.7 reb 1.8 stl

[ManUp]

He won't score enough to win, but if he leads the team the way I think he will he's going to finish high in voting.

[KGs Knee]

So apparently he CAN up his scoring and maintain his level of assists.

Interesting

Still, I don't think he'll up his scoring too much, quite simply to preserve his body, as well as keep other players happy by getting them their fair share of shots.

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He won't score enough to win, but if he leads the team the way I think he will he's going to finish high in voting.

Its ridicoulus how the system works with the mvp. Rondo is clearly good enough to win a finals mvp in the playoffs when every team is a good team but in the reg season he has no chance...hahaha pathetic nba

When is that **uchebag davis stern steping down, seems the crowd at the draft think it should be soon .......

[LarBrd33]

Anybody care to remind me what Rondo's averages were this past playoffs?

Yes... his playoffs were outrageously awesome and deserves considerable credit.  Three things:

#1 - His 2009 playoffs were incredible as well.  He averaged nearly a triple double.  It didn't continue into the 2010 regular season.  Match-ups can inflate numbers.

#2 - A lot of those stats have a little to do with the competition and defenders he was going against.  Russell Westbrook torched Miami's defense a couple times too.

#3 - He averaged 42.6 minutes per game.  He normally averages around 36 minutes... unquestionably a contributor to his statistical jump.


Here's the line:  17.3 points, 11.9 assists, 6.7 rebounds, 2.4 steals ... 47%/27%/70%  ...  Nobody is taking that away from Rondo.  If we were to look at the playoffs and the playoffs alone, those stats made Rondo third best player in the league behind King James and Durant.   But I have legitimate reasons to believe those brilliant numbers will not continue into the next season.   I'm basing my observations on what he did during the regular season against a variety of competition:  11.9 points, 11.7 assists, 4.9 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 45%/24%/60%  ... Still his best season to date, but not MVP level.

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Anybody care to remind me what Rondo's averages were this past playoffs?

Yes... his playoffs were outrageously awesome and deserves considerable credit.  Three things:

#1 - His 2009 playoffs were incredible as well.  He averaged nearly a triple double.  It didn't continue into the 2010 regular season.  Match-ups can inflate numbers.

#2 - A lot of those stats have a little to do with the competition and defenders he was going against.  Russell Westbrook torched Miami's defense a couple times too.

#3 - He averaged 42.6 minutes per game.  He normally averages around 36 minutes... unquestionably a contributor to his statistical jump.


Here's the line:  17.3 points, 11.9 assists, 6.7 rebounds, 2.4 steals ... 47%/27%/70%  ...  Nobody is taking that away from Rondo.  If we were to look at the playoffs and the playoffs alone, those stats made Rondo third best player in the league behind King James and Durant.   But I have legitimate reasons to believe those brilliant numbers will not continue into the next season.   I'm basing my observations on what he did during the regular season against a variety of competition:  11.9 points, 11.7 assists, 4.9 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 45%/24%/60%  ... Still his best season to date, but not MVP level.

HEY DUDE!

The topic of this thread (my Thread) was THIS year not LAST year. I think he can do it, you obviously dont. Leave it at that. Leave it to another thread to debate him against other pgs.

[LarBrd33]

So apparently he CAN up his scoring and maintain his level of assists.

Interesting

Yeah too bad he's not getting defended by Mario Chalmers and Jeff Teague every game.

[LarBrd33]

Anybody care to remind me what Rondo's averages were this past playoffs?

Yes... his playoffs were outrageously awesome and deserves considerable credit.  Three things:

#1 - His 2009 playoffs were incredible as well.  He averaged nearly a triple double.  It didn't continue into the 2010 regular season.  Match-ups can inflate numbers.

#2 - A lot of those stats have a little to do with the competition and defenders he was going against.  Russell Westbrook torched Miami's defense a couple times too.

#3 - He averaged 42.6 minutes per game.  He normally averages around 36 minutes... unquestionably a contributor to his statistical jump.


Here's the line:  17.3 points, 11.9 assists, 6.7 rebounds, 2.4 steals ... 47%/27%/70%  ...  Nobody is taking that away from Rondo.  If we were to look at the playoffs and the playoffs alone, those stats made Rondo third best player in the league behind King James and Durant.   But I have legitimate reasons to believe those brilliant numbers will not continue into the next season.   I'm basing my observations on what he did during the regular season against a variety of competition:  11.9 points, 11.7 assists, 4.9 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 45%/24%/60%  ... Still his best season to date, but not MVP level.

HEY DUDE!

The topic of this thread (my Thread) was THIS year not LAST year. I think he can do it, you obviously dont. Leave it at that. Leave it to another thread to debate him against other pgs.

Rondo is basically the second coming of Jason Kidd.  That doesn't take anything away from Rondo.  Jason Kidd was an incredible player in his prime.  Kidd in his prime was better than Rondo (Kidd was a 5 time all-nba 1st team), but Rondo could still improve a little.  In a base-case scenario, Rondo could lead a perfect team to the Finals (as Kidd did twice)... just as long as the Eastern Conference competition is incredibly weak.  As great as Kidd was, he never won an MVP either.  

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So apparently he CAN up his scoring and maintain his level of assists.

Interesting

Yeah too bad he's not getting defended by Mario Chalmers and Jeff Teague every game.

Fell free to post your rondo hater comments on this forum instead: http://www.clublakers.com/lakers-discussion/

 

[LarBrd33]

So apparently he CAN up his scoring and maintain his level of assists.

Interesting

Yeah too bad he's not getting defended by Mario Chalmers and Jeff Teague every game.

Fell free to post your rondo hater comments on this forum instead: http://www.clublakers.com/lakers-discussion/

 

I love Rondo.  He's my favorite player to watch on the Celtics.   

He's just not MVP-level.  That doesn't make me love him any less.  Paul Pierce is my favorite modern Celtic... I named my cat after "The Truth".  Still love that guy.  He's a hero.  But at no point did I think he was better than KG, Shaq, Kobe or Duncan.  He wasn't on their tier.  Didn't make me love him less. 

[Billz401]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tccSvlrsAUM

hes the only guy I kno that can do this... ill take Rondo any day

[Boris Badenov]

One thing that I think would help Rondo, and the Celts in general, is to get more semi-transition scoring opportunities.

It was just blatantly obvious in the playoffs - and Van Gundy correctly was harping on it - that the Celts are much more effective when they look for scoring opportunities before the opposing defense gets set. Their offense is just not creative enough, and even Pierce has trouble getting his shot off in isolation when the clock is running down.

If they pick up the pace offensively, and give Rondo some time running with a second unit of Green, Wilcox, Terry etc., the Celtics could score significantly more this year.

That could lead to more scoring and more assists for Rondo.

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So apparently he CAN up his scoring and maintain his level of assists.

Interesting

Yeah too bad he's not getting defended by Mario Chalmers and Jeff Teague every game.

Fell free to post your rondo hater comments on this forum instead: http://www.clublakers.com/lakers-discussion/

 

I love Rondo.  He's my favorite player to watch on the Celtics.   

He's just not MVP-level.  That doesn't make me love him any less.  Paul Pierce is my favorite modern Celtic... I named my cat after "The Truth".  Still love that guy.  He's a hero.  But at no point did I think he was better than KG, Shaq, Kobe or Duncan.  He wasn't on their tier.  Didn't make me love him less. 

Well good for you dude. Im not comparing rondo to anyone, its my opinion that he is mvp material. I think he can do it, simple as that.

And i know your not comparing kg shaq kobe duncan to paul nash williams....