Looks like Danny is trying for a S&T for Terry.

[soboston]

http://www.celticslife.com/2012/07/some-light-on-holdup-with-terrys.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

For Celtics fans wondering what the holdup is in the formal signing of Jason Terry to the contract agreed upon, some light has been shed on the matter. According to the Dallas Morning News, the Celtics and Mavs are discussing sign and trade options.

In regard to outgoing players, Jason Terry still hasn’t signed with Boston, but that deal has been agreed upon. Apparently, the only holdup is whether the Mavericks can figure out a way to sign-and-trade Terry rather than simply losing him in free agency for nothing.
 
It might be a way to get Terry a few more dollars, and it might net the Mavericks a second-round draft pick or something like that for the future.
 
Either way, it won’t stop the departure of Terry. He’s a Celtic. It’s just a matter of how that deal gets completed.
Along with giving Terry a few more dollars and giving the Mavs some sort of asset in return, it would allow the Celtics to use their mid-level exception on another player.  There has been mutual interest between the Celtics and Courtney Lee but with Houston working on a Dwight Howard deal, they haven't been able to get a S&T deal done for Lee.   A sign and trade for Terry might be easier to work out and then the C's could use the MLE on Lee. Good to see that Danny is exploring all options.

[AB_Celtic]

Good. Then we can give Lee the MLE. Done deal.

[Snakehead]

This would be awesome, certainly worth a 2nd rounder.

[Jon]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

[Lucky17]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Yeah. I read a Mike Fisher (Mavs beat writer) post that threw out the idea of a three-team deal between Boston, Dallas, and Toronto to land Calderon in Dallas.

Only problem is figuring out the outgoing salary for Boston to make it work/worthwhile for Dallas.

[Cman]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Same thing as with the speculated Lee trades:
Dooling S&T, cash, Sean Williams, 2nd round pick. The nice thing about doing this with Dallas, is they seem like want to move along quickly. Houston is all bogged down with the Dwightmare (such a fitting name), that it might be easier to work the Terry S&T, then use the MLE (which would have gone to Terry) to get Courtney Lee. Or OJ Mayo.

[Jon]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Same thing as with the speculated Lee trades:
Dooling S&T, cash, Sean Williams, 2nd round pick. The nice thing about doing this with Dallas, is they seem like want to move along quickly. Houston is all bogged down with the Dwightmare (such a fitting name), that it might be easier to work the Terry S&T, then use the MLE (which would have gone to Terry) to get Courtney Lee. Or OJ Mayo.

Again, I hope so.  I just don't think the suggested trade is all that good for Dallas.  Even if Boston was to include 3 million dollars, Dallas would be at least signing Terry to the MLE value of 5 million (if not more).  That means Dallas is going to be on the hook for 2 million dollars it doesn't necessarily want to spend on what the Celtics are offering, all in the name of acquiring a second round pick. 

Might they do it?  Sure.  I just don't see this as the homerun some suggest. 

Furthermore, even if we could compensate them for all the money they spend (which I don't believe we can), that salary still goes against the cap and eventually the luxury tax.  So there's also advantage for them to simply let him walk. 

[StartOrien]

I have some doubts about ownership willing to go into the luxury tax in order to pay Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo 6 mil a year. And I can't blame them for that.

[saltlover]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Same thing as with the speculated Lee trades:
Dooling S&T, cash, Sean Williams, 2nd round pick. The nice thing about doing this with Dallas, is they seem like want to move along quickly. Houston is all bogged down with the Dwightmare (such a fitting name), that it might be easier to work the Terry S&T, then use the MLE (which would have gone to Terry) to get Courtney Lee. Or OJ Mayo.

Again, I hope so.  I just don't think the suggested trade is all that good for Dallas.  Even if Boston was to include 3 million dollars, Dallas would be at least signing Terry to the MLE value of 5 million (if not more).  That means Dallas is going to be on the hook for 2 million dollars it doesn't necessarily want to spend on what the Celtics are offering, all in the name of acquiring a second round pick. 

Might they do it?  Sure.  I just don't see this as the homerun some suggest. 

Furthermore, even if we could compensate them for all the money they spend (which I don't believe we can), that salary still goes against the cap and eventually the luxury tax.  So there's also advantage for them to simply let him walk. 

This is why Dooling is mentioned in all of the trades, because his salary can go a long way to making up for the difference.

Dooling, signed to a ~$2.7 mil (the max he can be signed for in a sing-and-trade) + Williams can bring back up to $5.5 mil in salary.  Williams salary is non-guaranteed, so he's just salary filler.  Accordingly, Dooling's salary can be paid for by the Celtics if they send $3 million along with it.  The Mavs also would get a trade exception (I think!?,) and presumably a second-round pick.  And Dooling might not even be a terrible fit for their roster.  It's not a bad deal for the Mavs to try to work out, assuming Dooling is willing to play along (probably will since he gets paid more than he otherwise would.)

[saltlover]

I have some doubts about ownership willing to go into the luxury tax in order to pay Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo 6 mil a year. And I can't blame them for that.

That sounds like nonsense to me.  The owners have given little indication in the past of being very involved in player acquisition.  I'm sure they and Danny discussed what the player budget would be this season, and Danny has the freedom to do whatever he likes within that budget, because they trust his judgment to run the team (and rightfully so I might add.)  And I'd be surprised if that budget was anything lower than $78.3 million, which is the apron level plus $4 million for luxury taxes, especially considering that last year they paid closer to $89 million after luxury taxes.  But whatever his budget is, I'm sure Wyc and co. don't care what players are signed, in that they defer to Danny's judgment.

[StartOrien]

I have some doubts about ownership willing to go into the luxury tax in order to pay Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo 6 mil a year. And I can't blame them for that.

That sounds like nonsense to me.  The owners have given little indication in the past of being very involved in player acquisition.  I'm sure they and Danny discussed what the player budget would be this season, and Danny has the freedom to do whatever he likes within that budget, because they trust his judgment to run the team (and rightfully so I might add.)  And I'd be surprised if that budget was anything lower than $78.3 million, which is the apron level plus $4 million for luxury taxes, especially considering that last year they paid closer to $89 million after luxury taxes.  But whatever his budget is, I'm sure Wyc and co. don't care what players are signed, in that they defer to Danny's judgment.

With the understanding that we're about to cross the ledge, Courtney Lee would cost the team 12 million dollars a year (6, plus luxury).

With the understanding that Bradley will eventually come back, at most you're looking at about 20 minutes a game for him. And since Lee can't play the small forward position, you'd probably have to still acquire a small forward who was capable of playing about five minutes a night.

Ownership has been great, but I don't see how they'd sign off on it when there's more affordable options like Pietrus out there.

[celticinorlando]

this would be awesome...you could s and t for terry and still have the full MLE for oj mayo or  lee

[prov1ml34]

As of now we have:

RR
AB, Terry, Moore
PP, Green, Joseph
Bass, Sully, JJJ
KG, Wilcox, Melo

Here is what I would like to see happen.....we sign and trade JJJ along with Dooling (plus draft pick, cash, non-guaranteed contracts, etc. if need be) to Dallas for Terry

MLE to Mayo or Lee

BAE to Stiemsma

Vet Min to Pietrus

[saltlover]

I have some doubts about ownership willing to go into the luxury tax in order to pay Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo 6 mil a year. And I can't blame them for that.

That sounds like nonsense to me.  The owners have given little indication in the past of being very involved in player acquisition.  I'm sure they and Danny discussed what the player budget would be this season, and Danny has the freedom to do whatever he likes within that budget, because they trust his judgment to run the team (and rightfully so I might add.)  And I'd be surprised if that budget was anything lower than $78.3 million, which is the apron level plus $4 million for luxury taxes, especially considering that last year they paid closer to $89 million after luxury taxes.  But whatever his budget is, I'm sure Wyc and co. don't care what players are signed, in that they defer to Danny's judgment.

With the understanding that we're about to cross the ledge, Courtney Lee would cost the team 12 million dollars a year (6, plus luxury).

With the understanding that Bradley will eventually come back, at most you're looking at about 20 minutes a game for him. And since Lee can't play the small forward position, you'd probably have to still acquire a small forward who was capable of playing about five minutes a night.

Ownership has been great, but I don't see how they'd sign off on it when there's more affordable options like Pietrus out there.

Ownership would sign off on it because they don't sign off on players.  They sign off on a budget.  Danny doesn't negotiate with players and then go to the owners -- he's top dog.  If he screws up, he answers to the owners, but that's it.

The only thing that the owners might balk at is paying cash to another team.  But again, that happens not infrequently in the NBA, so I doubt they nix any deal.

Also, you can't assign Courtney Lee's salary the luxury tax, just because he's last in.  KG counts towards the tax, Rondo counts towards the tax, Pierce counts towards it, JET counts towards it, and all the way down the line.  I mean, you can assign it to Courtney Lee all by himself if you want to, but that's a terrible way to do accounting, and a poor way to run a business.

[TripleOT]

Dallas loves getting trade exceptions.  If the choice is between letting Terry walk for no compensation, or trading him for a high second round draft pick, two non-guaranteed guys you can cut, and Dooling at $2.5m, along with a $5m trade exception, the smart move is to take the deal. If they can get Boston to pay their third string PG's salary by sending $3m their way, all the better.

Dallas takes that deal, even without the cash.  They will need a vet third string PG, and the exception can be very handy.  The only way they don't take the deal is if they need the cap space.