Is Danny Ainge building the 1988-89 Detroit Pistons?

[Carhole]

If Rondo can even get CLOSE to Isiah Thomas, this is a lock.

He is not too far off, though.

Zeke was a better shooter.

If Rondo is ever going to be mentioned in the same breath as Zeke, I HOPE it's THIS year.

Rondo had better pick it up offensively. We need him to, now. Let that J fly, Rajon.

Did you really just say that Rajon is a close to what Isaiah Thomas was in his prime?

I HATE Thomas, but that is lunacy. Thomas as an all around pg is top 5 ever, rondo is maybe top 5 in the league now. Isaiah laid back early and dominated (the most important) games late. Rondo is a really good player. You can't put him on the same planet as Isaiah in the mid to late 80s though.

Yeah, Thomas accomplished more over his career than Rondo has so far, but he was only All-NBA three years, plus second-team two years, so for the majority of his career he wasn't a top-two PG.  Thomas was #2 in his draft and really peaked early in his career in terms of personal accolades, won his two championships later, in the late middle of his career.  Rondo well has a chance to craft a career at his level.

ALL NBA teams might be the worst thing ever to judge a basketball player on T Mac has 7 PP has 4 and never a 1st team.

I do not care how much Tmac scored, I saw them play head to head 20 times and countless other games. Tmac will never win you more games with his all around game then PP - NEVER.

And of course Isiah wasnt 1st team, his career ran parallel to the greatest point guard ever, who played with a great team from the time he entered the NBA in Magic.

I don't think winning is the end all be all of a "who is better argument" but rondo won, once when he was maybe the 6th most important player on his team and has fallen into the perfect scheme/situation for him to develop his talents (no knock on him just reality) Isiah came in was the team, had to learn on the fly and led his team to 2 titles. Really not the same thing

[clover]

The comparisons being thrown around in this thread make me want to drop to my knees and vomit all over the carpet.  Bradley to Dumars?  Bass to Laimbeer? Green to Dennis Rodman? 

The Green Kool-aid is flowing today!

I compared Bradley to Dumars, KG to Laimbeer, Rondo to Thomas, Terry to Johnson, and Pierce to Dantley. Really don't know how anyone could argue with any of those.

Especially since I'm comparing Avery to a young Joe Dumars.

And KG is 5x the player Laimbeer ever was. 

You're talking rough equivalent of roles--and sometimes really stretching it, but that's okay!

[Moranis]

I think this team is much more likely to go the route of the 2008/2009 Pistons than the 1988/1989 Pistons.  

  Isn't this like the 4th year in a row that you've made this prediction?

No.  Just last year and I was pleasantly surprised by KG's resurgence.

I actually think Boston will be a pretty good team next year (though I can't see the team winning the title), it is years 2 and 3 that I'm worried about.

[Dano El]

The comparisons being thrown around in this thread make me want to drop to my knees and vomit all over the carpet.  Bradley to Dumars?  Bass to Laimbeer? Green to Dennis Rodman? 

The Green Kool-aid is flowing today!

I compared Bradley to Dumars, KG to Laimbeer, Rondo to Thomas, Terry to Johnson, and Pierce to Dantley. Really don't know how anyone could argue with any of those.

Especially since I'm comparing Avery to a young Joe Dumars.

Dumars after 2 years:
10.6 ppg 4.6 apg

Bradley:
5.6 ppg  1.0 apg

Wow!  Almost identical!!

[Who]

The comparisons being thrown around in this thread make me want to drop to my knees and vomit all over the carpet.  Bradley to Dumars?  Bass to Laimbeer? Green to Dennis Rodman? 

The Green Kool-aid is flowing today!

I compared Bradley to Dumars, KG to Laimbeer, Rondo to Thomas, Terry to Johnson, and Pierce to Dantley. Really don't know how anyone could argue with any of those.

Especially since I'm comparing Avery to a young Joe Dumars.

Dumars after 2 years:
10.6 ppg 4.6 apg

Bradley:
5.6 ppg  1.0 apg

Wow!  Almost identical!!

I think someone a while back posted Avery's numbers as a starter vs Joe's numbers as a starter and they weren't too different.

[Dano El]

The comparisons being thrown around in this thread make me want to drop to my knees and vomit all over the carpet.  Bradley to Dumars?  Bass to Laimbeer? Green to Dennis Rodman? 

The Green Kool-aid is flowing today!

I compared Bradley to Dumars, KG to Laimbeer, Rondo to Thomas, Terry to Johnson, and Pierce to Dantley. Really don't know how anyone could argue with any of those.

Especially since I'm comparing Avery to a young Joe Dumars.

Dumars after 2 years:
10.6 ppg 4.6 apg

Bradley:
5.6 ppg  1.0 apg

Wow!  Almost identical!!

I think someone a while back posted Avery's numbers as a starter vs Joe's numbers as a starter and they weren't too different.

Oh.  ...and Avery's got all of 28 career starts...so, you know, at least we're dealing with a solid sample size.

[Fafnir]

The comparisons being thrown around in this thread make me want to drop to my knees and vomit all over the carpet.  Bradley to Dumars?  Bass to Laimbeer? Green to Dennis Rodman? 

The Green Kool-aid is flowing today!

I compared Bradley to Dumars, KG to Laimbeer, Rondo to Thomas, Terry to Johnson, and Pierce to Dantley. Really don't know how anyone could argue with any of those.

Especially since I'm comparing Avery to a young Joe Dumars.

Dumars after 2 years:
10.6 ppg 4.6 apg

Bradley:
5.6 ppg  1.0 apg

Wow!  Almost identical!!

I think someone a while back posted Avery's numbers as a starter vs Joe's numbers as a starter and they weren't too different.

They aren't:

Avery Bradley when starting:
33.6 MPG 12.3 PPG 2.9 RPG 2.0 APG 50%FG 45% 3PT

Dumars when starting:
31 MPG 12.0 PPG 2.2 RPG 4.5 APG 49%FG 40% 3PT

Dumars did it over essentially a full year though of 75 games compared to 28 games for Bradley

[DinoRadjaLives]

First things first, TP to Michael Anthony for this post. Well thought out and articulated.

Now I think that Rajon Rondo is not at the Isiah Thomas level today. Having said that I feel like he will become an eventual HOF'er if he keeps it up

AB will never ever be Joe Dumars. I wish he was even 50% of Joe Dumars.

Is this team the Bad Boys...no, unfortunatley the troll David Stern wont allow the NBA to be a fun tough physical league again. Are they going to have a 2 yr window were the Heat, Bulls and possibly the Nets have to worry about these guys..YES

 

[Carhole]

The comparisons being thrown around in this thread make me want to drop to my knees and vomit all over the carpet.  Bradley to Dumars?  Bass to Laimbeer? Green to Dennis Rodman? 

The Green Kool-aid is flowing today!

I compared Bradley to Dumars, KG to Laimbeer, Rondo to Thomas, Terry to Johnson, and Pierce to Dantley. Really don't know how anyone could argue with any of those.

Especially since I'm comparing Avery to a young Joe Dumars.

Dumars after 2 years:
10.6 ppg 4.6 apg

Bradley:
5.6 ppg  1.0 apg

Wow!  Almost identical!!

I think someone a while back posted Avery's numbers as a starter vs Joe's numbers as a starter and they weren't too different.

They aren't:

Avery Bradley when starting:
33.6 MPG 12.3 PPG 2.9 RPG 2.0 APG 50%FG 45% 3PT

Dumars when starting:
31 MPG 12.0 PPG 2.2 RPG 4.5 APG 49%FG 40% 3PT

Dumars did it over essentially a full year though of 75 games compared to 28 games for Bradley

Straight skill wise, I can see the similarities though, dumars was a better ball handler. But saying that, Avery having the same skills doesnt guarantee he uses them as well as Dumars did.

Hope he does. Liked dumars game and like bradley as a talent and seems like a good kid. But making a comparison from what bradley is to what we have the proof dumars became in 88-89, that is assuming everything breaking right.

Which i am hoping for.

[BballTim]

The comparisons being thrown around in this thread make me want to drop to my knees and vomit all over the carpet.  Bradley to Dumars?  Bass to Laimbeer? Green to Dennis Rodman? 

The Green Kool-aid is flowing today!

I compared Bradley to Dumars, KG to Laimbeer, Rondo to Thomas, Terry to Johnson, and Pierce to Dantley. Really don't know how anyone could argue with any of those.

Especially since I'm comparing Avery to a young Joe Dumars.

Dumars after 2 years:
10.6 ppg 4.6 apg

Bradley:
5.6 ppg  1.0 apg

Wow!  Almost identical!!

  Dumars started his career at roughly the age Bradley will be next year.

[BballTim]

If Rondo can even get CLOSE to Isiah Thomas, this is a lock.

He is not too far off, though.

Zeke was a better shooter.

If Rondo is ever going to be mentioned in the same breath as Zeke, I HOPE it's THIS year.

Rondo had better pick it up offensively. We need him to, now. Let that J fly, Rajon.

Did you really just say that Rajon is a close to what Isaiah Thomas was in his prime?

I HATE Thomas, but that is lunacy. Thomas as an all around pg is top 5 ever, rondo is maybe top 5 in the league now. Isaiah laid back early and dominated (the most important) games late. Rondo is a really good player. You can't put him on the same planet as Isaiah in the mid to late 80s though.

Yeah, Thomas accomplished more over his career than Rondo has so far, but he was only All-NBA three years, plus second-team two years, so for the majority of his career he wasn't a top-two PG.  Thomas was #2 in his draft and really peaked early in his career in terms of personal accolades, won his two championships later, in the late middle of his career.  Rondo well has a chance to craft a career at his level.

ALL NBA teams might be the worst thing ever to judge a basketball player on T Mac has 7 PP has 4 and never a 1st team.

I do not care how much Tmac scored, I saw them play head to head 20 times and countless other games. Tmac will never win you more games with his all around game then PP - NEVER.

And of course Isiah wasnt 1st team, his career ran parallel to the greatest point guard ever, who played with a great team from the time he entered the NBA in Magic.

I don't think winning is the end all be all of a "who is better argument" but rondo won, once when he was maybe the 6th most important player on his team and has fallen into the perfect scheme/situation for him to develop his talents (no knock on him just reality) Isiah came in was the team, had to learn on the fly and led his team to 2 titles. Really not the same thing

  Rondo, aside from being more than the 6th most important player on the title team, didn't fall into the perfect situation to develop his talents. He'd be putting up better numbers in a different situation, just like the big three would.

[Django]

True..

Sad thing is Miami is looking like the 90-91 Bulls the way they are built.

[fairweatherfan06]

Whose gonna be Rodman?  Jeff Green.  Rodman was a rebounding (and defensive) monster Jeff Green is still FAAAAAAAAAAAR from that.

Our backcourt reminds me of them though AB as Dumars and Rondo and Isaiah Thomas.

[minijericho29]

The comparisons being thrown around in this thread make me want to drop to my knees and vomit all over the carpet.  Bradley to Dumars?  Bass to Laimbeer? Green to Dennis Rodman? 

The Green Kool-aid is flowing today!

I compared Bradley to Dumars, KG to Laimbeer, Rondo to Thomas, Terry to Johnson, and Pierce to Dantley. Really don't know how anyone could argue with any of those.

Especially since I'm comparing Avery to a young Joe Dumars.

Dumars after 2 years:
10.6 ppg 4.6 apg

Bradley:
5.6 ppg  1.0 apg

Wow!  Almost identical!!

  Dumars started his career at roughly the age Bradley will be next year.

This is getting out of control.  Joe Dumars is an NBA Hall-of-Famer who averaged 16 points per game over 14 years in the league. Bradley has a ways to go to even be mentioned in the same breathe as him.   

Didn't Phil Plantier look like Mickey Mantle through 28 games?

[CelticG1]

I think this team is much more likely to go the route of the 2008/2009 Pistons than the 1988/1989 Pistons. 

How so?  I literally don't see one comparison

Giving massive contracts to role players and relegating your team to cap hell and mediocrity all at the same time.

What massive contracts? Am I missing something?

Id say Bass and KG are paid at market value and only 3 year deals which are very movable if need be

Then there's Green who at 4/36 mil is overpaid but massively? I just don't see it. Even if he plays at the bare minimum what he played like for half a season with us its not that bad. I don't think that is killing our cap space and I don't think he would be that hard to move. If he plays better than what he did with us for that half a year than he will prob be market value as well