Scola Amnestied (how to get him in Green)

[StartOrien]

If Luis Scola was willing to come, no doubt we'd find room for him. Brandon Bass might not enjoy that much -he'd cut into his minutes and presumably take his starting job - but unfortunately Scola is just a much better basketball player.

"Better"? Arguably. "Much better"? No way.

Similar skill set, Bass is stronger, more athletic, and a better defender. Scola is a more polished offensive player. Not worth to sink the resources to get a miniscule upgrade such as Scola.

Absolutely. Scola is one of the best post scorers in the league. He has similar range to Bass (and I'd argue he's more consistent). Similar rebounders, and while Bass is a better defender, I'd point out that his defense was considered average to below average before he played alongside the Celtics.

So while Bass is an upgrade defensively, Scola is a significant upgrade offensively and thus a much more valuable player.

[Geo123]

If Luis Scola was willing to come, no doubt we'd find room for him. Brandon Bass might not enjoy that much -he'd cut into his minutes and presumably take his starting job - but unfortunately Scola is just a much better basketball player.

"Better"? Arguably. "Much better"? No way.

Similar skill set, Bass is stronger, more athletic, and a better defender. Scola is a more polished offensive player. Not worth to sink the resources to get a miniscule upgrade such as Scola.

Absolutely. Scola is one of the best post scorers in the league. He has similar range to Bass (and I'd argue he's more consistent). Similar rebounders, and while Bass is a better defender, I'd point out that his defense was considered average to below average before he played alongside the Celtics.

So while Bass is an upgrade defensively, Scola is a significant upgrade offensively and thus a much more valuable player.

He is a good scorer no doubt but I think that's a real stretch to call him one of the best low post scorers in the league.    The Rockets didn't have a true low post presence and yet Scola still never averaged over more than 18 ppg while getting over 30 + minutes. If he was one of the best he would have defintely averaged more.  Also, his knees have been the subject of problems for him in the last year or 2.   

[Kane3387]

Get him!

[StartOrien]

If Luis Scola was willing to come, no doubt we'd find room for him. Brandon Bass might not enjoy that much -he'd cut into his minutes and presumably take his starting job - but unfortunately Scola is just a much better basketball player.

"Better"? Arguably. "Much better"? No way.

Similar skill set, Bass is stronger, more athletic, and a better defender. Scola is a more polished offensive player. Not worth to sink the resources to get a miniscule upgrade such as Scola.

Absolutely. Scola is one of the best post scorers in the league. He has similar range to Bass (and I'd argue he's more consistent). Similar rebounders, and while Bass is a better defender, I'd point out that his defense was considered average to below average before he played alongside the Celtics.

So while Bass is an upgrade defensively, Scola is a significant upgrade offensively and thus a much more valuable player.

He is a good scorer no doubt but I think that's a real stretch to call him one of the best low post scorers in the league.    The Rockets didn't have a true low post presence and yet Scola still never averaged over more than 18 ppg while getting over 30 + minutes. If he was one of the best he would have defintely averaged more.  Also, his knees have been the subject of problems for him in the last year or 2.   

Pau Gasol and Zach Randolph career high ppg is 20.8.

Scola's done 20.2 as the featured post scorer. And the fact that he did it without another good offensive big should be a compliment to his abilities, not a detraction.

[LooseCannon]

If I had a bad team with cap space, I would strongly consider putting in a bid with the intention of trying to flip him for something in a year.

[Cman]

I mentioned this in another thread... its been reported by Larry coon that scola, like darko, has a partially non guaranteed player option his final year. According to coon, the amount bid on the player HAS to cover the amount owed to them when bidding on the player. So, teams under the cap who want to bid on scola would at a minimum have to pay, me makes 11 million his final year with a 1 million buyout leaving 10 million owed to him... meaning a team has toto offer up at least 10 million per season if bidding on him.  Or like mentioned teams can wait til he clears waivers and sign him as a free agent.

The darks example that coon gave was as so:
owed 5ish mil a season. His buyout on his last year is like 1.7 mil so a team under the cap has to offer at least 3.3 mil a season to bid on him. This is all because he has a non guaranteed final year with a buyout.

I don't think it works quite like that. Yes, 10 million is the bid, but in reality is that amount spread for the remainder of the contract, not 10 million per year. So 10 million in 3 years.

That said, teams that are under the cap for the amount of 3.33 million can bid on Scola.

For our interest, that's the per year amount they will be paying Scola which will total 10 million by the end of the third year.

At least that's my understanding in all of this.

I think that's right. The question is which teams are going to make bids, or even, which teams are ABLE to. I'd love for him to somehow pass through the entire waiver process and become a FA, and the Cs make a run at him using the MLE. But that is wishful thinking.

Potential Teams:
Indy decides not to match Hibbert and makes a competitive offer?
Bucks?
Phoenix? Scola holds the fort for a few more years while R. Lopez grows more into a starters role
Minnesota, if its clear they won't get Batum?

[Mr October]

Scola is a gamer. No gaudy stats. He just knows how to play. I also like that he can get under an opponent's skin.

I'd sign him in a heartbeat, and hand him the keys to the starting 4 position.

[perks-a-beast]

Scola is a gamer. No gaudy stats. He just knows how to play. I also like that he can get under an opponent's skin.

I'd sign him in a heartbeat, and hand him the keys to the starting 4 position.

Yup. I've loved Scola since he came in to the league. Correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think Garnett has ever played alongside a front court player as good as Scola...could be fun to watch.

[cb8883]

Can the celtics make an offer using the MLE? I'm not exactly sure how the amnesty waivers work...or do you have to be under the cap?

[Reyquila]

I'd take Scola over Bass any day of the way. scola is a rebounding force: Full of energy. We need all the ofense we can get. We get into scoring droughts just too offten cause we have nobody that can score on the second team. Scola can help with the scoring. Im tired of Bass'es too often dissapearing acts.

[Brendan]

Some signs of getting old last year... if they could get him for BAE I'd do it, and just play him at C behind KG.

[Brendan]

So Darko got amnestied too? He probably clears waivers. If Steis goes to Minny, they should sign him. I know everyone hates him for being drafted 2nd, but he's a service able big to play when they need size. I actually think in this system he'd look good.

KG / Sully (use Darko when playing big)
Wilcox / Bass (use Green when playing small)
Pierce / Green
Lee* / AB
Rondo / Terry

* or whoever they get in S&T or for MLE

On the other hand Darko will probably get the full MLE somewhere just because...

[nostar]

I wanted to pop in here and put my stamp on Scola in Celtic green. Less good bigs I would consider are:

• Kwame Brown
• Nazr Mohammed
• SteamBOAT
• Greg Oden
• Jared Jeffries
• Anthony Randolph
• Darko Milicic

And forwards

• Antawn Jamison
• Kenyon Martin

I don't want to use our MLE on any available guard/wing except Lee but I'd seriously consider giving it to a big if we could get our value. Most of those guys up there are vet's minimum guys but if we can swing Scola for the MLE I'm there. And I don't mind playing Terry or Green at the SG to start the season until AB gets back.

We have one legit center on our team and he's a rookie. KG is a PF and we need to do our part for him in signing a center. He came back at a discount, let's not make him work harder for less money.

Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, KG, Terry, Green, Bass, Sullinger, Melo, Joseph, JJJ, and Moore. If we pick up Christmas that is still 2 roster spots open for Bigs, 1 if we MLE for Lee.

Sign and trade for terry and pick up any of those guys you can get with the BAE or Vet's min. Lee can have the MLE. Most of those centers on the list would go for the BAE. Let's get a big.

[wil]

I mentioned this in another thread... its been reported by Larry coon that scola, like darko, has a partially non guaranteed player option his final year. According to coon, the amount bid on the player HAS to cover the amount owed to them when bidding on the player. So, teams under the cap who want to bid on scola would at a minimum have to pay, me makes 11 million his final year with a 1 million buyout leaving 10 million owed to him... meaning a team has toto offer up at least 10 million per season if bidding on him.  Or like mentioned teams can wait til he clears waivers and sign him as a free agent.

The darks example that coon gave was as so:
owed 5ish mil a season. His buyout on his last year is like 1.7 mil so a team under the cap has to offer at least 3.3 mil a season to bid on him. This is all because he has a non guaranteed final year with a buyout.

This has to be correct.  You don't question big Larry Coon.  I could see him becoming a free agent, but I can't imagine how he'd ever end up in Boston.  I'd be thrilled, but it's not going to happen. 

[KGs Knee]

I mentioned this in another thread... its been reported by Larry coon that scola, like darko, has a partially non guaranteed player option his final year. According to coon, the amount bid on the player HAS to cover the amount owed to them when bidding on the player. So, teams under the cap who want to bid on scola would at a minimum have to pay, me makes 11 million his final year with a 1 million buyout leaving 10 million owed to him... meaning a team has toto offer up at least 10 million per season if bidding on him.  Or like mentioned teams can wait til he clears waivers and sign him as a free agent.

The darks example that coon gave was as so:
owed 5ish mil a season. His buyout on his last year is like 1.7 mil so a team under the cap has to offer at least 3.3 mil a season to bid on him. This is all because he has a non guaranteed final year with a buyout.

This has to be correct.  You don't question big Larry Coon.  I could see him becoming a free agent, but I can't imagine how he'd ever end up in Boston.  I'd be thrilled, but it's not going to happen.  

That makes no sense at all, you're mis-interpreting what Coon is stating.

Why would a team bidding on a player that has been amnestied, have to bid a PER SEASON amount for an amount that is non-guaranteed to a player for ONE SEASON?  Under that scenario, Scola would get the remainder of the guaranteed money owed to him over the next two seasons (plus the 1mil buyout in the 3rd season) from Houston, PLUS 10mil for 3 years (total of 30mil).  That would be more (way more) than he was ever scheduled to make orginally.

No way that is the intent or meaning of the rule.  Scola will get paid whatever Houston owes him in guaranteed money by Houston, and any team bidding on him must bid at least the amount owed to him in non-guaranteed money (10mil), spread over the 3 seasons reamaining on his contract.  If the winning bid is for more than 10mil, the amount in excess of 10mil comes off the amount Houston owes Scola.