Pierce the centerpiece of a trade for Howard?

[spinz]

I dont know... itd be giving up pierce, a guy i really want to see end his career here, and bradley, a guy thats really fun to watch, for howard a guy i plain just dont like. I guess i'd do it anyway. But luckily it doesnt matter since i dont think thats a very good deal for the magic.

[abbmack9]

This trade works from a financial standpoint. I think it would definitely be worth it

[Django]

loyalty

[spinz]

its worth pointing out: no howard deal would ever be worth it, unless howard was 100% committed to playing here and signed long term.

[byennie]

Orlando would instantly hang up the phone. We dont have any assets that other teams would want beside Rondo and Bradley. Last year the Lakers rejected our proposal to get Gasol for Rondo, why? cuz talented bigs are the most valuable assets right now, it doesn't matter what we think, that's the way the market is right now. You wont get any arguments from me that we dodged a bullet when the Lakers rejected that trade offer but that doesnt change the perception around the league that talented bigs are sought after more than anything.

Orlando is desperate at this point. Dallas and New Jersey are both out of the running, and they are in danger of getting absolutely nothing from Howard. That doesn't mean we'll get him, but if he keeps acting like a prima donna who is worthless to Orlando both now and into the future, they are going to have to take someone's offer.

Personally, I think he ends up in LA after all.

[spinz]

anyone who signs howard should get to have a clause that says "if howard demands to be traded, you dont owe him any money"

[Q_FBE]

its worth pointing out: no howard deal would ever be worth it, unless howard was 100% committed to playing here and signed long term.

AMEN!

By the way, I like the idea of persuing Dwight Howard. Not sure if Dwight is actively on Boston Celtics radar screen like Courtney Lee is.

[Geo123]

its worth pointing out: no howard deal would ever be worth it, unless howard was 100% committed to playing here and signed long term.

AMEN!

By the way, I like the idea of persuing Dwight Howard. Not sure if Dwight is actively on Boston Celtics radar screen like Courtney Lee is.

The answer is no and don't get your hopes up for Courtney Lee either...

From HoopsWorld...

"•Courtney Lee and the Timberwolves have continued to talk daily since free agency opened, according to Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN Twin Cities (via Twitter). Jerry Zgoda of the Star Tribune agrees that Lee could become Minnesota's top target if the team's offer sheet for Nicolas Batum is matched by the Trail Blazers."

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/07/free-agent-rumors-lee-oden-lucas.html

Since the TWolves will have the money (once the Blazers match their offer sheet to Batum) to go after Lee we probably won't be getting him....

[ScottHow]

The Nets deal is garbage for Orlando.  Signing Lopez to max money is insane.  If the Cs wanted to jump into the mix, and wanted to give Howard a situation where he could win a title, Rondo has to stay here. 

Since Bass and Green can't be in a trade to Orlando right now, Pierce is the guy to go.  The magic are trying to dump JRich also, and he can take Pierce minutes. Boston would need a third team who wants Pierce, and that would be the Clippers

Clippers send Caron Butler, Eric Bledsoe and Ryan Gomes (expiring) to the Magic

Boston sends Bradley, JJJ, Sean Williams, 2013 and 2015 1sts

Charlotte's 2013 2nd, 2014 second to Magic, Pierce to the Clips
Orlando sends Howard and J Rich to Boston.

The Magic don't take on any really bad salary, and get some promising young pieces to use or trade, in AB and Bledsoe.  Williams deal is not guaranteed, and IIRC Gomes is only partially guaranteed, so they can cut them and save like $3m. The maic will be under the cap next season, and will have room to sin an impact FA or two.  They can move Butler at the deadline for more picks/younger assets. They don't get a franchise guy to replace Howard, but get a lot of flexibility and picks along with young assets like AB and Bledsoe. 

The Suns get a scorer and crunch time closer. 

The Cs will have an incredible defensive team and will contend. 

Rondo, JF
JRich, Courtney Lee
Green
KG, Bass,
D Ho, Melo   

I'd do that without the commitment from Howard. Now that he can't sign outright with the Nets we might be able to convince him to stay. So unlikely the Magic would do this though. Getting a 35 year old Pierce for Howard is a terrible return.

[The Walker Wiggle]

How is it that I have to read fans spit venom at Ray Allen AND multiple Pierce trade threads?

[spinz]

Getting a 35 year old Pierce for Howard is a terrible return.

pierce was going to the clippers in that idea.
But anyway, any deal the magic gets done isnt going to have great return. They need to get rid of him, and hes a huge flight risk to any team. They cant get comparable value back.

[eugen]

I can not understand how can be people continuing to snobb DH12

[ScottHow]

Getting a 35 year old Pierce for Howard is a terrible return.

pierce was going to the clippers in that idea.
But anyway, any deal the magic gets done isnt going to have great return. They need to get rid of him, and hes a huge flight risk to any team. They cant get comparable value back.

Thanks for the correction. Either way, I would think they could get a better package than that now that Howard can't sign with the Nets after they extended Lopez.

[goCeltics]

not bad, celtics could add to the offer with a dooling sign and trade for duhon, they would be the best possible celtic non rondo offer. After this move they would only have the BAE and veteren mins to offer.

[HowardAvellino]

How is it that I have to read fans spit venom at Ray Allen AND multiple Pierce trade threads?

I can't speak for anyone else.  I don't consider myself to be spitting venom at Ray Allen; my primary reaction is that I'm baffled, coupled with irritation at how he handled it.

If the Celts were to up and trade Pierce to the Bobcats or Wizards or Kings, I'd be irritated at them, too.  Loyalty does indeed go both ways.

Trading him to the Thunder or Spurs would be at least a little different, though.  You're not sending him to Siberia.  Still, they shouldn't just ship him off there.

Sending him to the Clippers is a little different still.  Pierce is from LA, and although he's thankfully developed a bias against his former favorite team, the Lakers, sending him to a very strong LA Clippers team could be something he wouldn't mind so much.

Ideally, though, the Celtics see he's earned the right to be consulted.  Basically, give him a no-trade clause, even if it's not in writing.  If the Cs approach Pierce, let him know, and he agrees to go to the Clippers (or whomever), then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

All that said, I personally don't like this trade idea.  I would not trade Pierce for Howard straight up, let alone all the other stuff.