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Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #90 on: July 10, 2012, 09:07:52 AM »

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Okay I watched the draft and after picking Sully @ 21 I was standing and waving my arms yelling "PJ3"for at least 15 seconds. Dude is built almost exactly like KD and has all the talent to be a superstar.

However...

I just saw Roy Hibbert get a max offer from Portland (and a match from the Pacers ruling out rogue GM-itis). To me Hibbert is exceedingly average. When the hell did averaging 13 and 9 equal max money. Asik got ~8M. Let's ignore Hibbert and focus on starting "defensive" centers.

  • Tyson Chandler: 13.6M
  • Jokim Noah: 11M
  • Kendrik Perkins: 7.8M
  • Deandre Jordan: 10.5M

After seeing the Asik offer and looking at the landscape of the NBA I'm way more comfortable taking a chance on a 7ft "defensive" center. Centers have the highest average salary in the NBA and if we can snag one for 4-5 years on a rookie contract I'm sold. I guess if PJIII goes gonzo and becomes the next scoring champ then I'll be irked but I don't see it.

I'll be happy if he turns into Ty Chandler in a couple of years, just so long as he doesn't impose the full Chandler on us:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/tyson-chandler-bares-bottom-espn-magazine-body-issue-200710457--nba.html

Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #91 on: July 10, 2012, 10:47:03 AM »

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Again..

Danny drafted Melo just so the Heat wouldnt get him. Melo fits the Heat better than the Celtics imo. All he has to do is block a few shots thats it.

However, they are going to regret passing on PJ3.

I think the reason we didnt take PJ3 is because of Jeff Green. We already have a tweener or Stretch 4 who was going to get 9 million.

I think PJ3 will be a good player in the league though.

Melo should be alright in time. Hopefully he can be a Tyson Chandler type on defense one day......hopefully...

Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #92 on: July 10, 2012, 10:48:52 AM »

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Again..

Danny drafted Melo just so the Heat wouldnt get him. Melo fits the Heat better than the Celtics imo. All he has to do is block a few shots thats it.
Let's just say this is not it, and leave it there...  ::)
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Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #93 on: July 10, 2012, 11:00:50 AM »

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Melo's complete indifference to trying to get a rebound or even just get into a position to get a rebound really concerned me.

Biggest man on the floor and his ability to gauge where to be, where the ball is going after a shot, how to position oneself for and to go get a rebound were completely lacking. Those are not things one can teach at this level. You have it or you don't.

It appears he doesn't have those abilities.

Sullinger, besides being seriously overweight, looks to be a steal where the C's got him. Dude needs to lose a good 20-25 pounds.

You can't teach someone how to get better positioning/box out?  That's something that can definitely be taught.. What can't be taught, is Melo's great speed, length and size for his position.. Melo's got the tools and he's still learning.  He's going to be real good IMO.

Yeah I found that comment bizzare. You'd think a guy who has only been playing ball for 6 years would benefit a lot from good coaching and would get some leeway instead of, "he will never learn good positioning"

Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #94 on: July 10, 2012, 11:24:18 AM »

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No one had worse basketball instincts than Perk - he still doesn't have great feel, very mechanical, hard hands, etc. But he's a valuable center, maybe better as a backup now than as the main guy, but either way valuable.

Melo had two years playing college ball, but he was new to the game (relatively), had language issues, and the college system he played in doesn't translate to what the C's are doing (as far as I understand things.)

As for comparing to Perk, I'd say his first year in the NBA was more experience than Melo's entire life. So Melo is raw for his age and for a rookie.

It's far too early to make claims about what Melo is or isn't, I think he could fill the Semi/Steis role of third center now (athletic enough to show on the pick and role, big enough to bang the other teams bigs), but doubt he'll be second string or starting caliber this year. Down the line? Who knows.

The C's still need a legit backup center or they are going to be very small.

Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #95 on: July 10, 2012, 11:36:33 AM »

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Again..

Danny drafted Melo just so the Heat wouldnt get him. Melo fits the Heat better than the Celtics imo. All he has to do is block a few shots thats it.

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I think the reason we didnt take PJ3 is because of Jeff Green. We already have a tweener or Stretch 4 who was going to get 9 million.

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On the first point above: who says that's why Danny drafted Melo? Maybe he saw that size is a real valuable commodity in the NBA, and even if Melo takes a couple years to develop its worth the bust risk as a gamble in the late first, when you just drafted a value pick like Sully.

On the second point above: maybe. They also have Pierce and Bass starting at the forward spots. JJJ and Sully as young PFs trying to get burn. And Green. Maybe DA tried to trade down knowing PJ3 was better value than Melo, but just not a good draft selection for BOS? Or maybe he avoided PJ3 for the same reasons he avoided Roy - a guy who needs athleticism with bad knees coming into the draft. I don't know. I doubt missing on PJ3 will be Danny's greatest draft blunder though - especially since its a move I think he made knowing the risk.

For example Danny drafted Gabe Pruitt (a poor combo guard) and BBD (an undersized PF on a team that already had Leon Powe) ahead of Marc Gasol in 2007 for a C's team that really needed size.


Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #96 on: July 10, 2012, 11:41:27 AM »

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However, they are going to regret passing on PJ3.

I think the reason we didnt take PJ3 is because of Jeff Green. We already have a tweener or Stretch 4 who was going to get 9 million.

Someone earlier posted a report that teams' doctors were telling them PJ3 had Brandon Roy knees - meaning he's got maybe 3-4 years of NBA ball in them before he can't play (I know Roy's making a comeback though).

Brandon Roy knees + not nearly Brandon Roy's talent = lots of teams pass.  OKC is looking for short-term help for their championship window and maybe someone to fill in when they let Ibaka go, so he's a better fit for them.

Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #97 on: July 10, 2012, 12:06:59 PM »

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I saw the kid box out at times and show good defensive instincts.  He is not a total loss.   I was against drafting but I actually see some potential there.

You got to love these sky is falling posts. 

Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #98 on: July 10, 2012, 12:19:52 PM »

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I'm not saying the sky is falling. I freely admit it was one game. But I saw him play a bunch at Syracuse too. Here's what Fab Melo is:

A big man that can move his feet that has above average athleticism for a man his size.

A person with awful hands for catching a ball.

A player with no down low offensive skills whatsoever, but then again, thats not why he was drafted.

A player that thrives on blocking shots to the point of playing poor defense at times. He will be so in tune to block a shot he will rotate poorly, leave his man wide open and give down low position away.

The above reason is just one of the reasons he is such a horrid defensive rebounder. The other is that he has no ball instincts. He never has his hands up, he has trouble judging where the ball will richochet to and this causes him to be easily outpositioned and late on rebounds as he is watching the ball. This is the stuff you can't teach.

He appears to have a very seldom used 15 foot jumper but I have seen it so infrequently that I almost discount it.

His free throw shooting is terrible.

Now if he can be coached up to be as good as Stiemsma by the end of this coming season, then the coaching staff will have really, really, really earned their money. As a Celtic fan I sure hope they do. I'm not holding out hope. I didn't like the pick but will be more than happy to admit being 1000% wrong.

Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #99 on: July 10, 2012, 12:24:57 PM »

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 Here's what Fab Melo is:

A big man that can move his feet that has above average athleticism for a man his size.



That's really all I needed to read in order to dream big. 
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Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #100 on: July 10, 2012, 12:29:01 PM »

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 Here's what Fab Melo is:

A big man that can move his feet that has above average athleticism for a man his size.


That's really all I needed to read in order to dream big.  
I'll take the smart player with good skills over the athletic player with very little skills 100 times out of 100. One thing I heard through connections is that Melo isn't the brightest bulb in the package.

Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #101 on: July 10, 2012, 12:30:35 PM »

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I'm not saying the sky is falling. I freely admit it was one game. But I saw him play a bunch at Syracuse too. Here's what Fab Melo is:

A big man that can move his feet that has above average athleticism for a man his size.

A person with awful hands for catching a ball.

A player with no down low offensive skills whatsoever, but then again, thats not why he was drafted.

A player that thrives on blocking shots to the point of playing poor defense at times. He will be so in tune to block a shot he will rotate poorly, leave his man wide open and give down low position away.

The above reason is just one of the reasons he is such a horrid defensive rebounder. The other is that he has no ball instincts. He never has his hands up, he has trouble judging where the ball will richochet to and this causes him to be easily outpositioned and late on rebounds as he is watching the ball. This is the stuff you can't teach.

He appears to have a very seldom used 15 foot jumper but I have seen it so infrequently that I almost discount it.

His free throw shooting is terrible.

Now if he can be coached up to be as good as Stiemsma by the end of this coming season, then the coaching staff will have really, really, really earned their money. As a Celtic fan I sure hope they do. I'm not holding out hope. I didn't like the pick but will be more than happy to admit being 1000% wrong.


Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #102 on: July 10, 2012, 12:32:23 PM »

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I'm not saying the sky is falling. I freely admit it was one game. But I saw him play a bunch at Syracuse too. Here's what Fab Melo is:

A big man that can move his feet that has above average athleticism for a man his size.

A person with awful hands for catching a ball.

A player with no down low offensive skills whatsoever, but then again, thats not why he was drafted.

A player that thrives on blocking shots to the point of playing poor defense at times. He will be so in tune to block a shot he will rotate poorly, leave his man wide open and give down low position away.

The above reason is just one of the reasons he is such a horrid defensive rebounder. The other is that he has no ball instincts. He never has his hands up, he has trouble judging where the ball will richochet to and this causes him to be easily outpositioned and late on rebounds as he is watching the ball. This is the stuff you can't teach.

He appears to have a very seldom used 15 foot jumper but I have seen it so infrequently that I almost discount it.

His free throw shooting is terrible.

Now if he can be coached up to be as good as Stiemsma by the end of this coming season, then the coaching staff will have really, really, really earned their money. As a Celtic fan I sure hope they do. I'm not holding out hope. I didn't like the pick but will be more than happy to admit being 1000% wrong.


yup, I made a mistake in judging talent....once. ;D

Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #103 on: July 10, 2012, 12:34:13 PM »

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I'm not saying the sky is falling. I freely admit it was one game. But I saw him play a bunch at Syracuse too. Here's what Fab Melo is:

A big man that can move his feet that has above average athleticism for a man his size.

A person with awful hands for catching a ball.

A player with no down low offensive skills whatsoever, but then again, thats not why he was drafted.

A player that thrives on blocking shots to the point of playing poor defense at times. He will be so in tune to block a shot he will rotate poorly, leave his man wide open and give down low position away.

The above reason is just one of the reasons he is such a horrid defensive rebounder. The other is that he has no ball instincts. He never has his hands up, he has trouble judging where the ball will richochet to and this causes him to be easily outpositioned and late on rebounds as he is watching the ball. This is the stuff you can't teach.

He appears to have a very seldom used 15 foot jumper but I have seen it so infrequently that I almost discount it.

His free throw shooting is terrible.

Now if he can be coached up to be as good as Stiemsma by the end of this coming season, then the coaching staff will have really, really, really earned their money. As a Celtic fan I sure hope they do. I'm not holding out hope. I didn't like the pick but will be more than happy to admit being 1000% wrong.

this is depressing, Nick. Thanks!!

Re: Not so Fab Melo
« Reply #104 on: July 10, 2012, 12:36:22 PM »

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 Here's what Fab Melo is:

A big man that can move his feet that has above average athleticism for a man his size.


That's really all I needed to read in order to dream big.  
I'll take the smart player with good skills over the athletic player with very little skills 100 times out of 100. One thing I heard through connections is that Melo isn't the brightest bulb in the package.


I heard that too, and I don't even have any connections.  
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PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson