Camby and Lee in a sign and trade?

[KG Living Legend]

The Celtics are going to look like a different team next season, and it appears that facelift may be more drastic than it originally appeared.

With Ray Allen off to Miami, the Celtics are looking to add some pieces, and according to ESPN, they are now pursuing both Courtney Lee and Marcus Camby. The Celtics don't have room under the salary cap to sign either player, but they have told the Houston Rockets that they are willing to participate in sign-and-trade deals for both guys.

That would be a major move.

The New York Knicks and Miami Heat also are going hard after Camby, according to ESPN. So, a serious battle between Eastern Conference powers could be developing.

Lee is one of the most coveted guards left on the free-agent market, and Camby is a defensive stopper who can still contribute despite being 38 years old. The team's pursuit of Lee makes sense in the wake of Allen's departure, but Camby is a little surprising.

The 16-year veteran averaged 7.1 points, 9.2 rebounds and 24.1 minutes during his 19-game stretch with the Rockets last season. His field goal percentage also has been dropping considerably over the past few seasons, adding to his inefficiency on offense. In 2011, he hit just 39.8 percent of his shots from the field, while he hit just 44.5 percent last season.

Still, if the Celtics can get Camby for cheap, they would have another defensive specialist on the inside to take some of the pressure off Kevin Garnett.

Boston added Jared Sullinger and Fab Melo in the 2012 NBA Draft, but both guys have serious question marks surrounding them. While they are talented, bringing in a guy like Camby would help in the short term while the two young draft picks could develop.

Camby and Lee would both be solid pickups for the Celtics right now.

[illestmcsgt]

Who would we trade if that was gonna happen? Could Bass, Melo, Moore, and a 2013 second round pick work?

C Camby/PF Garnett/SF Pierce/SG Bradley/PG Rondo
C Stiemsma/PF Sullinger/SF Green/SG Lee/PG Terry
C Wilcox/PF Johnson/SF Joesph/SG Pietrus/PG Dooling

I really think this is a championship contending roster if this trade went down. Danny make it happen!!!

Best part is IF Bradley is out for the first part of the season we have Lee as our shooting guard.

[jyyzzoel]

thats what marc stein thinks:

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8140713/2012-nba-free-agency-boston-celtics-serious-suitor-guard-courtney-lee-sources-say

"but sources say the Rockets have let it be known that they're willing to participate in sign-and-trade deals with both Marcus Camby and Lee amid the increasing likelihood that neither of those coveted free agents will be returning to Houston."

[jyyzzoel]

also, 17 hours ago:

Mike Gambardella ‏@BIG3Sports
‪#Clippers‬ & ‪#Celtics‬ have both been added to the list of contenders who are after ‪#Rockets‬ C Marcus Camby. It would be via a sign and trade.

i think jajuan johnson and etuan moore are GOOONNNEEE in a sign and trade and so is bass probably.

[Roy H.]

also, 17 hours ago:

Mike Gambardella ‏@BIG3Sports
‪#Clippers‬ & ‪#Celtics‬ have both been added to the list of contenders who are after ‪#Rockets‬ C Marcus Camby. It would be via a sign and trade.

i think jajuan johnson and etuan moore are GOOONNNEEE in a sign and trade and so is bass probably.

Bass isn't going anywhere, for two reasons:  the Celtics like him, and the Rockets have a glut of power forwards on their roster.

[slamtheking]

also, 17 hours ago:

Mike Gambardella ‏@BIG3Sports
‪#Clippers‬ & ‪#Celtics‬ have both been added to the list of contenders who are after ‪#Rockets‬ C Marcus Camby. It would be via a sign and trade.

i think jajuan johnson and etuan moore are GOOONNNEEE in a sign and trade and so is bass probably.

JJJ and Moore wouldn't be enough to do a S&T.

[Fafnir]

also, 17 hours ago:

Mike Gambardella ‏@BIG3Sports
‪#Clippers‬ & ‪#Celtics‬ have both been added to the list of contenders who are after ‪#Rockets‬ C Marcus Camby. It would be via a sign and trade.

i think jajuan johnson and etuan moore are GOOONNNEEE in a sign and trade and so is bass probably.

Bass isn't going anywhere, for two reasons:  the Celtics like him, and the Rockets have a glut of power forwards on their roster.

And that glut of PFs are mostly cheaper than Bass (or shorter term at least).

Morey is blowing it up by all appearances.

[jyyzzoel]

also, 17 hours ago:

Mike Gambardella ‏@BIG3Sports
‪#Clippers‬ & ‪#Celtics‬ have both been added to the list of contenders who are after ‪#Rockets‬ C Marcus Camby. It would be via a sign and trade.

i think jajuan johnson and etuan moore are GOOONNNEEE in a sign and trade and so is bass probably.

Bass isn't going anywhere, for two reasons:  the Celtics like him, and the Rockets have a glut of power forwards on their roster.

And that glut of PFs are mostly cheaper than Bass (or shorter term at least).

Morey is blowing it up by all appearances.

obviously morey is blowing it up 

but that doesnt mean it couldnt be  a 3 team trade...
i just find it stupid to pay bass that much when u have sully there to play PF as good as bass can (and he will u watch) - unless ainge and doc intend to play sully at center a lot.

[Rondo2287]

also, 17 hours ago:

Mike Gambardella ‏@BIG3Sports
‪#Clippers‬ & ‪#Celtics‬ have both been added to the list of contenders who are after ‪#Rockets‬ C Marcus Camby. It would be via a sign and trade.

i think jajuan johnson and etuan moore are GOOONNNEEE in a sign and trade and so is bass probably.

Bass isn't going anywhere, for two reasons:  the Celtics like him, and the Rockets have a glut of power forwards on their roster.

And that glut of PFs are mostly cheaper than Bass (or shorter term at least).

Morey is blowing it up by all appearances.

obviously morey is blowing it up 

but that doesnt mean it couldnt be  a 3 team trade...
i just find it stupid to pay bass that much when u have sully there to play PF as good as bass can (and he will u watch) - unless ainge and doc intend to play sully at center a lot.

Right now I havent seen anything to suggest that Sullinger is as good as Bass.  I think in the long run he will be better, but Bass is one of the best jump shooting PF's in the league right now. 

[CFAN38]

My guess would be that a combination of Dooling, Daniels, Kristic are used along with picks in a S&T for Either Lee and Camby  or just Lee.

Even if the celtics just acquire Lee this would be a great move. The Celtics will be able to go into this season very deep at the 1-3 with a lot of uniquely talented players.

Rondo: passing point
Terry: scoring 1/2
AB   : Defencive 2/1
Lee  : Defensive spot up shooting 2
PP   : Scoring 3
Green: athletic 3/4 who can guard 2-4


  

[Fafnir]

Right now I havent seen anything to suggest that Sullinger is as good as Bass.  I think in the long run he will be better, but Bass is one of the best jump shooting PF's in the league right now. 

It depends on if he's able to translate his rebounding and provide adequete defense. Once he's able to do that I think he'll be a great fit for the starters, but that probably won't be in his first year.

[Brendan]

My guess would be that a combination of Dooling, Daniels, Kristic are used along with picks in a S&T for Either Lee and Camby  or just Lee.

Even if the celtics just acquire Lee this would be a great move. The Celtics will be able to go into this season very deep at the 1-3 with a lot of uniquely talented players.

Rondo: passing point
Terry: scoring 1/2
AB   : Defencive 2/1
Lee  : Defensive spot up shooting 2
PP   : Scoring 3
Green: athletic 3/4 who can guard 2-4


  

Kristic cannot be S&T.

Bass, Green, etc aren't going anywhere - Danny just negotiated their resigning(s), which will be announce post moratorium when it makes sense for the team from cap perspective.

Camby was still pretty efficient, and I think would remain so in this offense. He'd be a very good back up for KG. I'd still like Wilcox as a fifth big man though - chances of KG and Camby playing 48 MPG for the full season are not great.

The guy that can be in the sign and trade is Dooling. Him plus JJJ, Moore, Williams (all of whom can be released) would be enough to bring back about 8m per.

[saltlover]

Something like this could work:

Dooling (S&T for ~$2.7mil)
Moore
Williams
One of Pietrus/Daniels/Pavlovic (S&T for ~$1.6 mil)
$3 mil cash
2013 1st round pick

for

Lee and Camby (S&T for combined $7.6 mil)

Moore and Williams are both non-guaranteed, so the Rockets could release either or both and not have to pay them (or much, at least.)  The $3 million goes to cover the salaries of Dooling and the other vet, so the Rockets would pay about $1.3 million for those two roster spots, which is cheaper than signing two veterans.  And they get a 1st rounder for two players they don't want.  So it makes sense for them.  (Perhaps a second-rounder would also work -- it's debatable if the C's 2013 1st rounder will be more or less  valuable than their Bobcats 2nd rounder.)  Dooling gets paid double the vet min in this deal, so it works for him.  The other vet gets paid $250k more than otherwise (and gets a contract at all.)

I know people like throwing 3J into this deal, but his contract is guaranteed, and so is not as desirable as salary-filler as Moore and Williams, who can just be released if the Rockets don't like them.  And he gets paid less than the non-Dooling vet, which would mean we could only bring back about $6.9 mil in salaries, which could mean that either Lee or Camby get a more attractive offer from somewhere else.  He really only works if the Rockets actually want him for the purpose of keeping him -- which could be true, but they just had three mid-1st round picks, so probably is not.

[crimson_stallion]

Who would we trade if that was gonna happen? Could Bass, Melo, Moore, and a 2013 second round pick work?

C Camby/PF Garnett/SF Pierce/SG Bradley/PG Rondo
C Stiemsma/PF Sullinger/SF Green/SG Lee/PG Terry
C Wilcox/PF Johnson/SF Joesph/SG Pietrus/PG Dooling

I really think this is a championship contending roster if this trade went down. Danny make it happen!!!

Best part is IF Bradley is out for the first part of the season we have Lee as our shooting guard.

No way...

I'm not giving up Bass and Melo for a 2 year rental of Camby (before he retires) and a SG doesn't have much upside.

Bass is a key piece now, and Melo is a key piece for the future. 

I'd rather let go of Moore, JJ and all of our future picks for the next 3 years then make that deal.  Boston will be a playoff team for years, and we aren't likely going to get another mid-first round pick anytime soon...so those picks to me are worth little for a Celtics team that's already flooded with prospects. I really like gaining Camby (moreso then Lee) but it's very much dependant on what we need to give away to get him...

[Geo123]

Something like this could work:

Dooling (S&T for ~$2.7mil)
Moore
Williams
One of Pietrus/Daniels/Pavlovic (S&T for ~$1.6 mil)
$3 mil cash
2013 1st round pick

for

Lee and Camby (S&T for combined $7.6 mil)

Moore and Williams are both non-guaranteed, so the Rockets could release either or both and not have to pay them (or much, at least.)  The $3 million goes to cover the salaries of Dooling and the other vet, so the Rockets would pay about $1.3 million for those two roster spots, which is cheaper than signing two veterans.  And they get a 1st rounder for two players they don't want.  So it makes sense for them.  (Perhaps a second-rounder would also work -- it's debatable if the C's 2013 1st rounder will be more or less  valuable than their Bobcats 2nd rounder.)  Dooling gets paid double the vet min in this deal, so it works for him.  The other vet gets paid $250k more than otherwise (and gets a contract at all.)

I know people like throwing 3J into this deal, but his contract is guaranteed, and so is not as desirable as salary-filler as Moore and Williams, who can just be released if the Rockets don't like them.  And he gets paid less than the non-Dooling vet, which would mean we could only bring back about $6.9 mil in salaries, which could mean that either Lee or Camby get a more attractive offer from somewhere else.  He really only works if the Rockets actually want him for the purpose of keeping him -- which could be true, but they just had three mid-1st round picks, so probably is not.

Just can't see us getting both of those guys for that money.  In fact if the Twolves don't get Batum most people think they will go hard after Lee who they've tried to get in the past which will only raise is price.  He's a UFA and can sign with whoever offers him the best deal...