dis R E S P E C T - why Ray left the C's

[clover]

Many times in workplaces - whether office or nba - a young college kid comes into an older workplace and everyone imparts that knowledge on the kid.  As the kid grows and learns, and often times, becomes better than his mentors, his mentors don't properly recognize this, still think of him as the naive kid, and don't give him requisite responsibility and compensation, so the kid leaves.  

The opposite has happened here.  Rondo was that kid but it is clear that Danny and doc realized the kid was the best player and gave him more power and more compensation to the point where it is now his team (on offense).  It seems like ray still sees rondo as that kid, and ray has mentioned in the past how rondo used to follow him around and do his routine w him and doesn't know why he stopped.  Sounds like ray is the sole old guy who never came to terms w rondos emergence and that is the heart of a lot of the problems right there.  

Ray won't have the same problems w lebron because ray never knew lebron as a kid and ray can be ok w taking a backseat to lebron.  He can't stomach taking a backseat to that kid who he tried to mold and who eventually spurned his training ways for his own.

While hurtful and surprising to us that he is going to our rival, ray was always the most mercenary of the bunch.  Only guy who had played on two teams before the celtics, any sense of loyalty in the nba was lost to him at a much earlier age than the other big four, and if he developed a new sense of loyalty w boston, it wasn't a strong one and was probably destroyed when he was told he was traded, and buried when they didn't go after him as hard as kg.  doesn't matter that kg is clearly better...they are both hall of famers and part of the big three (and in the big three, everyone sacrificed for the greater good..together), so why weren't they both consulted at the same time to come back?  Thats probably how ray was thinking, and if you are thinking like that, the superficial love from south beach probably seemed pretty good.  

Ray will regret his decision at some point, and my guess is that point will be training camp w a coach that is not doc and w players that were prima donnas before their title and now will be even worse.  The cracks bout rays celtcs will prob sting.  And ray will realize he screwed up...but it will happen too late.

And so it goes.  

Nice post--I suspect you're right on all counts.

[Django]

the blood from this latest fallout is, once again, on Danny's hands. he shops his players around constantly, which is bad enough - then he talks about it on the radio.

Danny has not shown loyalty to his players and this is what happens when you treat your guys like property - especially guys who definitely have loyalty to the team.

for some reason, Danny has this man-crush on Jeff Green and treats him as if he were Bill Russell when the guy hasn't done anything to help the Celts win a title - zero, zilch, nothing - and DA gives him $10 mill per ??

Danny wouldn't know team chemistry if a bucket of it was dumped on his head.

Yep. No offense to Jeff Green. But what has he DONE to deserve 3 million more than Ray Allen? If KG gets 12 mill (which he deserves), then I can see Ray wanting 9 million. KG played hurt one year. Here was Ray playing hurt this past year. Both were classy/hard working guys. Jeff Green, a guy who played 23 games, deserves more than Ray? Based off what? Ray helps the team win a championship and get to another NBA finals. Ray deserves the benefit of the doubt more than Jeff Green. If you think Ray is not a 9 million dollar player....I agree with you. But when you're going to pay Jeff that kind of money...I can understand why he might feel slighted.

Erm, Ray Allen ain't getting 9 million from anyone. What has Jeff Green done? He's 25, 6 foot 9 and can run like a gazelle, shoot and play almost any position on the floor. In other words, Jeff has a bright future in front of him.
Ray is on the verge of retirement- you don't pay a regressing veteran 9 million to come off the bench and hit 2 or 3 three pointers per game and turn the ball over 2 or 3 times.
His game has deteriorated more than anyone on the Celtics in the past 5 years and although his shooting is still fantastic, you cannot justify paying him 9 million. 6 million is being extremely generous.
It's about ego and trust and Ray had both of his confused with him being traded to Memphis(and the rest). Ray's given us everything, let the man do what he wants. He wants more shine time and Miami can give it to him and he can win a championship whilst taking much less toll on his body physically by sitting in the corner and doing what he does best- burying deep three's.

I honestly would not be surprised if Ray has a better year than Jeff Green. Especially come playoff time, even though it hurts too say.

The more and more I review Jeff Green. He starts to remind me of a better version of  Tim Thomas. (Better as in...more effort, though not as good a shooter)

Again..I hope Im wrong. I hope Green is amazing this year.

And lets be CLEAR......Would Kevin Garnett REALLY have deserved 12 million dollars before this year??? Absolutely not. He was still recovering from his knee injury and just last season he got back to his old self again. Why is it so unfair to think the bad ankles ruined Ray's season last year and that this year he would come back a better player?

Yes its 9 million bucks. But I could have seen an situation where Danny offered 2 yr/18 million.

I guess time will tell.  

[eugen]

Folks. Do not mix up the conflicts between Ray Vs Danny or Ray Vs Rondo. The only one mistake that Ray made is to sign for one big rival, Miami HEAT. But he never insulted Cs fans or never told bad things about Cs fans. Lets seperate the conflict that he had with Danny&Rondo from other things. So, if soembody wants to desrespect Ray beacuse he left, I think is wrong idea. Danny tried 2 years in a row to get rid of Ray, trying to trade him. At this point sooner or later the divorce between Ray and Cs was more than one reality.

[Lord of Mikawa]

Ray can't possibly think the fans in Miami care about him or anybody that isn't Lebron or Wade to a lesser extent.

[chenaren]

Yep. No offense to Jeff Green. But what has he DONE to deserve 3 million more than Ray Allen? If KG gets 12 mill (which he deserves), then I can see Ray wanting 9 million. KG played hurt one year. Here was Ray playing hurt this past year. Both were classy/hard working guys. Jeff Green, a guy who played 23 games, deserves more than Ray? Based off what? Ray helps the team win a championship and get to another NBA finals. Ray deserves the benefit of the doubt more than Jeff Green. If you think Ray is not a 9 million dollar player....I agree with you. But when you're going to pay Jeff that kind of money...I can understand why he might feel slighted.

Batum just got a huge offer (12M per year), also 7M per year for Landry Fields. That's the way they pay young talents. Green is overpaid, but so are others.

Do you really think Ray Allen still worth 9M at the age of 38? Teams that had expressed interest offered him 5M mid level contract at most. That's his value perceived by the GMs around this league. Why should the Celtics pay considerably more than that? If he wants to go, let him go.
    

[Django]

Yep. No offense to Jeff Green. But what has he DONE to deserve 3 million more than Ray Allen? If KG gets 12 mill (which he deserves), then I can see Ray wanting 9 million. KG played hurt one year. Here was Ray playing hurt this past year. Both were classy/hard working guys. Jeff Green, a guy who played 23 games, deserves more than Ray? Based off what? Ray helps the team win a championship and get to another NBA finals. Ray deserves the benefit of the doubt more than Jeff Green. If you think Ray is not a 9 million dollar player....I agree with you. But when you're going to pay Jeff that kind of money...I can understand why he might feel slighted.

Batum just got a huge offer (12M per year), also 7M per year for Landry Fields. That's the way they pay young talents. Green is overpaid, but so are others.

Do you really think Ray Allen still worth 9M at the age of 38? Teams that had expressed interest offered him 5M mid level contract at most. That's his value perceived by the GMs around this league. Why should the Celtics pay considerably more than that? If he wants to go, let him go.
    

Wait a sec....what about all this loyalty talk?

Isnt that what fans bring up the most? Wouldnt it show being more loyal to Ray by offering him 9 mill instead of a guy who hasnt contributed a tenth of what Ray has done for the Celtics?

Sidenote: I agree he's not worth that kind of money. Just saying Green is no sure thing either.

[Lord of Mikawa]

Yep. No offense to Jeff Green. But what has he DONE to deserve 3 million more than Ray Allen? If KG gets 12 mill (which he deserves), then I can see Ray wanting 9 million. KG played hurt one year. Here was Ray playing hurt this past year. Both were classy/hard working guys. Jeff Green, a guy who played 23 games, deserves more than Ray? Based off what? Ray helps the team win a championship and get to another NBA finals. Ray deserves the benefit of the doubt more than Jeff Green. If you think Ray is not a 9 million dollar player....I agree with you. But when you're going to pay Jeff that kind of money...I can understand why he might feel slighted.

Batum just got a huge offer (12M per year), also 7M per year for Landry Fields. That's the way they pay young talents. Green is overpaid, but so are others.

Do you really think Ray Allen still worth 9M at the age of 38? Teams that had expressed interest offered him 5M mid level contract at most. That's his value perceived by the GMs around this league. Why should the Celtics pay considerably more than that? If he wants to go, let him go.
    

Wait a sec....what about all this loyalty talk?

Isnt that what fans bring up the most? Wouldnt it show being more loyal to Ray by offering him 9 mill instead of a guy who hasnt contributed a tenth of what Ray has done for the Celtics?

Sidenote: I agree he's not worth that kind of money. Just saying Green is no sure thing either.

At this point what else can the Celtics do? Not pay Green the money and hope somebody else comes along?

[chenaren]

Yep. No offense to Jeff Green. But what has he DONE to deserve 3 million more than Ray Allen? If KG gets 12 mill (which he deserves), then I can see Ray wanting 9 million. KG played hurt one year. Here was Ray playing hurt this past year. Both were classy/hard working guys. Jeff Green, a guy who played 23 games, deserves more than Ray? Based off what? Ray helps the team win a championship and get to another NBA finals. Ray deserves the benefit of the doubt more than Jeff Green. If you think Ray is not a 9 million dollar player....I agree with you. But when you're going to pay Jeff that kind of money...I can understand why he might feel slighted.

Batum just got a huge offer (12M per year), also 7M per year for Landry Fields. That's the way they pay young talents. Green is overpaid, but so are others.

Do you really think Ray Allen still worth 9M at the age of 38? Teams that had expressed interest offered him 5M mid level contract at most. That's his value perceived by the GMs around this league. Why should the Celtics pay considerably more than that? If he wants to go, let him go.
    

Wait a sec....what about all this loyalty talk?

Isnt that what fans bring up the most? Wouldnt it show being more loyal to Ray by offering him 9 mill instead of a guy who hasnt contributed a tenth of what Ray has done for the Celtics?

Sidenote: I agree he's not worth that kind of money. Just saying Green is no sure thing either.

Jeff Green hasn't really earned a big contract until this point. Money surely means a lot to him. On the other hand, Ray has already earned hundred of millions throughout his career. I think their financial situations are quite different   

[RAcker]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. 

On second thought, I hope you hit yourself with the door and trip down the porch and fall on your LeBron.

Sincerely,

RAcker

[BballTim]

Django, fans have a right to be mad...ray comes out of this looking like a diva...the guy demanded 3times as big a contract from the celtics as he got from Miami

  For me, this is the issue. It's ok that he left (a little disappointing but understandable). Same with going to Miami. A little disappoinging, but it's not like he was off to join the Cavs or the Kings. But the contract demands were nonsense.

  First of all he was asking for close to double what he could get anywhere else, and triple what he signed for. Also, he's saying "I'll consider coming back if you pay much more than Miami" and then claiming he's torn about what to do, which rings a little hollow. Same with having a long list of reasons for leaving and negotiating with the team, either the reasons aren't that important or you won't stay even if they meet your price.