The Celtics have $7 Million left to spend?

[Smokeeye123]

I'd be really surprised if we still had 7mil... That would obviously be enough to sign an OJ Mayo or a Courtney Lee no problem...

[manl_lui]

Spend it on beer.

 

LOL, that's a lot of beer!

[Eris]

I'd be really surprised if we still had 7mil... That would obviously be enough to sign an OJ Mayo or a Courtney Lee no problem...

Having that money doesn't mean DA can spend it on just anybody. The way things are set up in the CBA and the C's cap situation means the C's are limited to guys that were on the roster at the end of the year, Krstic,  one at about $1.9, and vet mins.

Or a sign and trade, but that means giving up someone (or more) already signed. That probably just opens up holes elsewhere and/or strips assets, picks, or young players away.

[KG_ended_Bias]

This is for Roy or any of the capologist... can we Sign & Trade Kristic at any number for 1 yr. & flip him right away to a willing team as long as that team agrees to take on his contract for a player from another who may make a little more money or the same money?

[Aeacus]

This is for Roy or any of the capologist... can we Sign & Trade Kristic at any number for 1 yr. & flip him right away to a willing team as long as that team agrees to take on his contract?

No, both Kristic and Green cannot be used in sign & trades because they didn't play in the NBA last year.  So it may be JJ or some combination of the young guys if we are doing a trade....

[Cman]

The way I see it, we need to sign a third-string PG, backup SG, and backup C.

My guess would be these positions would be staffed by Dooling, Pietrus and one of Stiemsma/Hollins/Krstic. Of course, Ainge may still pull a rabbit out of a hat, but we don't have too much to work with there.

He might pull a rabbit out of the hat, and I'd say the majority of posts here are about various hopes for who that rabbit will be. But the likelier scenarios involve signing players who were recently on the team (and potential vet min players).

If we constrain ourselves to that, my dream scenario would involve:

Center: one of Wilcox, Krstic
PG: Dooling
SG: range of options here at vet min/BAE, including Sonny Weems, Deshawn Stevensen, Michael Redd, Delonte West
SF: Pietrus

[SHAQATTACK]

Wilcox , Pietrus and Delonte West. Cheap-o 's 

I vote .. say No to NO NADs please.

[nickagneta]

The way I see it, we need to sign a third-string PG, backup SG, and backup C.

My guess would be these positions would be staffed by Dooling, Pietrus and one of Stiemsma/Hollins/Krstic. Of course, Ainge may still pull a rabbit out of a hat, but we don't have too much to work with there.

He might pull a rabbit out of the hat, and I'd say the majority of posts here are about various hopes for who that rabbit will be. But the likelier scenarios involve signing players who were recently on the team (and potential vet min players).

If we constrain ourselves to that, my dream scenario would involve:

Center: one of Wilcox, Krstic
PG: Dooling
SG: range of options here at vet min/BAE, including Sonny Weems, Deshawn Stevensen, Michael Redd, Delonte West
SF: Pietrus

I could see Moore, JJJ, Williams going to Houston in a deal for Courtney Lee on a 3 year $10 million sign and trade.

Lee is a good size 2 guard with very good defensive skill that can hit the three and put points on the board. Much better than Moore will ever be and all it is going to cost the Celtics is JJJ who is more than expendable with pro-ready Sullinger aboard.

[saltlover]

Keep in mind that the salaries for KG, Green, Bass, etc., etc. are estimates, and are based on the average annual value.  It's likely that the salaries will be lower in their first year and will escalate over time.

Good catch.

I was just about to post the same.

I actually have slightly diff #'s

KG-10.542
Bass-6.224
Sully-1.307
Melo-1.254
Terry-5.0

Green I have no idea, I've heard his contract might actually be a straight across the board deal, which would be odd.

Terry will be at 5.09 mil, which is the CBA defined 1st year of a mid-level for 2012-2013.  It's likely that most of these contracts will escalate from year 1 to 2, but Green's seems to be straight across, and Ray's prior deal also was straight across.  It's possible Danny felt he had a little more wiggle room this year to put more money upfront, so as to perhaps create room for next offseason to have the larger MLE again.

Also, what I rarely, if ever, seen mentioned on these boards, or in news reports, is that $74.3 mil semi-hard cap is the minimum cap for this season, per the CBA.  It could be higher, depending on BRI, which has yet to be revealed (I'd assume that number is finalized by Wednesday, but the NBA makes no sense at times, so what do I know.)  In late February, estimates were that the cap level would be between $60-$61 million for the upcoming season.  If that's so, the apron cap will be between $76-$77 million.

[Tr1boy]

The way I see it, we need to sign a third-string PG, backup SG, and backup C.

My guess would be these positions would be staffed by Dooling, Pietrus and one of Stiemsma/Hollins/Krstic. Of course, Ainge may still pull a rabbit out of a hat, but we don't have too much to work with there.

He might pull a rabbit out of the hat, and I'd say the majority of posts here are about various hopes for who that rabbit will be. But the likelier scenarios involve signing players who were recently on the team (and potential vet min players).

If we constrain ourselves to that, my dream scenario would involve:

Center: one of Wilcox, Krstic
PG: Dooling
SG: range of options here at vet min/BAE, including Sonny Weems, Deshawn Stevensen, Michael Redd, Delonte West
SF: Pietrus

I could see Moore, JJJ, Williams going to Houston in a deal for Courtney Lee on a 3 year $10 million sign and trade.

Lee is a good size 2 guard with very good defensive skill that can hit the three and put points on the board. Much better than Moore will ever be and all it is going to cost the Celtics is JJJ who is more than expendable with pro-ready Sullinger aboard.

Sounds like a sound plan. Though what's the incentive for Houston to do this? I rather keep lee unless they see something in jjj. Moore is worth zero. Maybe we include jjj and next years 2nd pick to get it done

[Cman]

Wilcox , Pietrus and Delonte West. Cheap-o 's 

I vote .. say No to NO NADs please.

Cheapos who know the system, will be relatively cheap, and come in on short contracts. In short, they preserve the Cs financial flexibility in the future.

[saltlover]

The way I see it, we need to sign a third-string PG, backup SG, and backup C.

My guess would be these positions would be staffed by Dooling, Pietrus and one of Stiemsma/Hollins/Krstic. Of course, Ainge may still pull a rabbit out of a hat, but we don't have too much to work with there.

He might pull a rabbit out of the hat, and I'd say the majority of posts here are about various hopes for who that rabbit will be. But the likelier scenarios involve signing players who were recently on the team (and potential vet min players).

If we constrain ourselves to that, my dream scenario would involve:

Center: one of Wilcox, Krstic
PG: Dooling
SG: range of options here at vet min/BAE, including Sonny Weems, Deshawn Stevensen, Michael Redd, Delonte West
SF: Pietrus

I could see Moore, JJJ, Williams going to Houston in a deal for Courtney Lee on a 3 year $10 million sign and trade.

Lee is a good size 2 guard with very good defensive skill that can hit the three and put points on the board. Much better than Moore will ever be and all it is going to cost the Celtics is JJJ who is more than expendable with pro-ready Sullinger aboard.

Sounds like a sound plan. Though what's the incentive for Houston to do this? I rather keep lee unless they see something in jjj. Moore is worth zero. Maybe we include jjj and next years 2nd pick to get it done

I think that sending Dooling in a S&T along with one of our extra second-round picks and the cash to pay Dooling's salary makes more sense (and maybe Moore or Williams if Lee is able to negotiate a deal that requires additional salary.)  It makes sense for us because we get Lee.  It makes sense for Dooling because he'l get paid more this way than he otherwise likely would, since the Bi-Annual is probably his top salary, and he's more likely to get the vet min.  And it makes sense for Houston because they're going to have to pay someone for that roster spot, so might as well get a decent vet who's salary is already paid, and a bonus draft pick, for a player you weren't going to keep at all.

[Cman]

The way I see it, we need to sign a third-string PG, backup SG, and backup C.

My guess would be these positions would be staffed by Dooling, Pietrus and one of Stiemsma/Hollins/Krstic. Of course, Ainge may still pull a rabbit out of a hat, but we don't have too much to work with there.

He might pull a rabbit out of the hat, and I'd say the majority of posts here are about various hopes for who that rabbit will be. But the likelier scenarios involve signing players who were recently on the team (and potential vet min players).

If we constrain ourselves to that, my dream scenario would involve:

Center: one of Wilcox, Krstic
PG: Dooling
SG: range of options here at vet min/BAE, including Sonny Weems, Deshawn Stevensen, Michael Redd, Delonte West
SF: Pietrus

I could see Moore, JJJ, Williams going to Houston in a deal for Courtney Lee on a 3 year $10 million sign and trade.

Lee is a good size 2 guard with very good defensive skill that can hit the three and put points on the board. Much better than Moore will ever be and all it is going to cost the Celtics is JJJ who is more than expendable with pro-ready Sullinger aboard.

Sounds like a sound plan. Though what's the incentive for Houston to do this? I rather keep lee unless they see something in jjj. Moore is worth zero. Maybe we include jjj and next years 2nd pick to get it done

I think that sending Dooling in a S&T along with one of our extra second-round picks and the cash to pay Dooling's salary makes more sense (and maybe Moore or Williams if Lee is able to negotiate a deal that requires additional salary.)  It makes sense for us because we get Lee.  It makes sense for Dooling because he'l get paid more this way than he otherwise likely would, since the Bi-Annual is probably his top salary, and he's more likely to get the vet min.  And it makes sense for Houston because they're going to have to pay someone for that roster spot, so might as well get a decent vet who's salary is already paid, and a bonus draft pick, for a player you weren't going to keep at all.

Yes, well stated.

[erisred]

What will it take to get Lee, Mayo, Gerald Green etc. to sign?

Here are the players the C's would most likely include for matching purposes and the salary they would offset (not their salary, but 1.5 times it for matching purposes)

Moore (non-guaranteed).........$1.2
Williams (non-guaranteed)......$1.35
Johnson (guaranteed)...........$1.65
Dooling (would have to agree)..$4.05

It would be easy to get a guy in a S&T for under 2.65 (Moore+Williams+$100k) as it wouldn't cost the other team *anything*. If the guy the C's want to get in S&T is more than that, though, the other team is going to be left with a player that they might not want and is going to want cash and picks. 

IAC, it isn't $7 million, it's some combination of those numbers up there, signing Krstic, using the BAE ($1.9 million) and vet mins...

...and the C's *have* to stay below $74 million or the deal with Terry falls through.

[saltlover]

What will it take to get Lee, Mayo, Gerald Green etc. to sign?

Here are the players the C's would most likely include for matching purposes and the salary they would offset (not their salary, but 1.5 times it for matching purposes)

Moore (non-guaranteed).........$1.2
Williams (non-guaranteed)......$1.35
Johnson (guaranteed)...........$1.65
Dooling (would have to agree)..$4.05

It would be easy to get a guy in a S&T for under 2.65 (Moore+Williams+$100k) as it wouldn't cost the other team *anything*. If the guy the C's want to get in S&T is more than that, though, the other team is going to be left with a player that they might not want and is going to want cash and picks. 

IAC, it isn't $7 million, it's some combination of those numbers up there, signing Krstic, using the BAE ($1.9 million) and vet mins...

...and the C's *have* to stay below $74 million or the deal with Terry falls through.

You can receive back 125% +$100000 of the salary you trade away, not 150%, so these numbers are high.