Jeff Green agrees to deal (4 years, $36 million)

[BudweiserCeltic]

Well, it's better than $40 million.  I'd prefer it if the last year was non-guaranteed, but what can you do?

Same.

I understand this is one of those cases where you pay double what the guy has earned for potential, but if all we care about is winning now why wouldn't we give Ray 3yr, 27mil?  Same money for an at least equal if not better player with way more experience.

Because they'd rather get Green and Terry, than Ray + Terry or whomever, and if we gave Green & Ray this amount of money, I don't think we have enough space left to even fill-out the rest of the roster (but I'd need to study it a bit more).

[snively]

David Falk is a beast.

[esel1000]

Well, it's better than $40 million.  I'd prefer it if the last year was non-guaranteed, but what can you do?

Same.

I understand this is one of those cases where you pay double what the guy has earned for potential, but if all we care about is winning now why wouldn't we give Ray 3yr, 27mil?  Same money for an at least equal if not better player with way more experience.

because you need to think of the future at the same time

[Brendan]

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Tp for this. Others should join in.

Thanks - I updated for better reading. I have them at 64.11 excluding the option guys (JJJ, Moore, Williams), draft picks, and cap holds.

So my understanding is they can sign vet minimum guys now, but will need to renounce some people to use the BAE because of Kristic's cap hold. I'm not 100% on the new CBA yet.

How much can we sign Kristic for and still use the BAE?

We cannot sign Kristic to a max deal, as is we are probably above the apron with cap holds. So we'd need to renounce a few guys and then sign him for something that keeps us under the 74m apron.

So anything less than 8m per year works, as long as its a legal Bird rights deal.

[Brendan]

How much can we sign Kristic for and still use the BAE?

Pretty much a maximum contract. Except that's irrelevant, since we have to stay at about $68 million in order to be able to offer Terry the full MLE.

I think we just need to be above 61m to offer a full MLE.

[BudweiserCeltic]

How much can we sign Kristic for and still use the BAE?

Pretty much a maximum contract. Except that's irrelevant, since we have to stay at about $68 million in order to be able to offer Terry the full MLE.

I think we just need to be above 61m to offer a full MLE.

We need to get under a certain amount to fit the full MLE since it becomes a hardcap at some point, estimated at 74 million or so.

[ballin]

$9 million per year? Ugh. Terrible signing.

[chambers]

This might excite you,  from September 2011. So about 3 months before he had surgery. He's playing a few NBA guys sprinkled in with bums but he's not afraid to shoot or take it to the hole.

Would love to see this guy come out with something to prove this season. Danny and Doc obviously see something with potential.

This guy is the perfect kind of stallion we need to run with Rondo and Avery for 30 minutes a night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16fayqc8MxI

[mgent]

Well, it's better than $40 million.  I'd prefer it if the last year was non-guaranteed, but what can you do?

Same.

I understand this is one of those cases where you pay double what the guy has earned for potential, but if all we care about is winning now why wouldn't we give Ray 3yr, 27mil?  Same money for an at least equal if not better player with way more experience.

Because they'd rather get Green and Terry, than Ray + Terry or whomever, and if we gave Green & Ray this amount of money, I don't think we have enough space left to even fill-out the rest of the roster (but I'd need to study it a bit more).

My math came out to about 66mil with Ray.  Throw on like 4 cap holds and that should've still been low enough to give Terry 5mil.

[Snakehead]

I have to laugh at some of you saying this is terrible.  Do you pay attention to the other signings around the NBA?

[cman88]

it may look like overpaying now, but we really dont know what the market for SF's is going to be in 2-3years from now.

I mean gerald wallace got 4/40mllion and hes on the wrong side of 30

Ainge is obviously pretty high on green...either he proves to be starter quality material for the C's

and if not his contract is VERY tradeable IMO because of his youth...he was included in alot of those proposed cp3 deals

a 25year old sf who can play the 3/4 is a commodity in the NBA...so im not too worried

[Who]

David Falk is a beast.

Yup

[Brendan]

How much can we sign Kristic for and still use the BAE?

Pretty much a maximum contract. Except that's irrelevant, since we have to stay at about $68 million in order to be able to offer Terry the full MLE.

I think we just need to be above 61m to offer a full MLE.

We need to get under a certain amount to fit the full MLE since it becomes a hardcap at some point, estimated at 74 million or so.

Agree - but we're clear of that, we have $67m in salaries excluding cap holds, but including JET's deal. I think you don't actually have to renounce guys if they are cap holds to be under the Apron - i.e. only contracted salaries are in. Again don't know this new CBA as well as old one, so not 100% on this point.

We could for example - keep all our young guys, sign our draft picks and be at about 67m in salary and have 13 slots full. Considering some of these deals will be backloaded, I'd guess we have several more million available - but that's just speculation. Even though the tax isn't set the lowest it can be is 70.307m - so it's safe to operate using that number. The cap would have to be pretty high (like 10m higher than estimates of 61m to effect our deals.)

[Brendan]

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Because they'd rather get Green and Terry, than Ray + Terry or whomever, and if we gave Green & Ray this amount of money, I don't think we have enough space left to even fill-out the rest of the roster (but I'd need to study it a bit more).

My math came out to about 66mil with Ray.  Throw on like 4 cap holds and that should've still been low enough to give Terry 5mil.

I think they could have signed Ray to 6m and Green and still used BAE but stayed south of the Apron.

[Lucky17]

I have to laugh at some of you saying this is terrible.  Do you pay attention to the other signings around the NBA?

Ersan Ilyasova is about to sign a 5 year, $45 million dollar deal to stay in Milwaukee.

I think 4/$36 mil for Green is probably where he should be. Perhaps a little high, but not egregiously so.