Danny has little trust with JJJ and Sully?

[Tr1boy]

For now

C= KG, Melo
PF = Bass, Sully, JJJ

Hopefully it will be

C = Stiemsma (or FA), Melo, Sully
PF = KG, Bass, JJJ, Sully

I mean there will be a log jam for both positions once everything is settled.

Why does DA draft JJJ and Sully and pretty much give them only a hope to play if someone gets injured??

Is JJJ days especially numbered? He didn't even get a wink of a chance last year.

Your basically paying bass starters money, but didn't Danny hear that KG does not want to play C? 

Rivers will have his work cut out to jigsaw the best lineup on the court plus having guys like KG happy. Personally you can't have the last starting 5 vs Miami again. You won't win.

It will be interesting to see what happens. But you got to feel it for a guy like JJJ. He gets traded for. Looks like you really want him, then he doesn't even get a chance to show anything.

[the_Bird]

Meh, JJJ's got to prove he belongs in the rotation, same as Sully, and same as every other young guy (AB last year, Powe, Baby, etc).  If he does a Bradley and essentially forces his way into the rotation, they'll find minutes for him.  What they couldn't do is rely on a rookie and a second-year player to play a key role on a team with title aspirations.  We'll be a better team if JJJ and Sully can contribute, because we need the depth up front - but we can't rely solely on them.

EDIT: And there isn't that much of a logjam.  The bigs-rotation will be KG, Bass, Green (if he resigns), and probably either Stiemer or Wilcox.  Melo won't play any meaningful minutes for at least a year, he's a project.  There's room for either JJJ or Sully to carve themselves out some playing time, if they've earned it.

[ScoobyDoo]

Agreed on it not being wise to count on rookies too much for an important role - better to be pleasantly suprised. Also, having a good vet in front of them allows them to develop at a good pace and just work on their weaknesses.

[celticinorlando]

sully is going to back up bass and play some 5....JJJ has d league and doghouse written all over him

[Tr1boy]

Agreed on it not being wise to count on rookies too much for an important role - better to be pleasantly suprised. Also, having a good vet in front of them allows them to develop at a good pace and just work on their weaknesses.

I agree. But we really needed a Bass for the C position.

Bass and KG signed for next three years, but these kids contract are only for 2 (JJJ , this is his last).

Other than garbage minutes, do you really think they will get time on the court?

[bucknersrevenge]

Disagree. There will few minutes for JJJ and Sully. The top 4 will take all the minutes. There just won't be enough minutes to go around. Not sure why we drafted those kids in the first place. Hope we can trade them later.

[the_Bird]

Disagree. There will few minutes for JJJ and Sully. The top 4 will take all the minutes. There just won't be enough minutes to go around. Not sure why we drafted those kids in the first place. Hope we can trade them later.

... except if they prove that they're one of the four best options, they'll get on the floor.  Hell, AB went from being a guy everyone wanted to dump to a guy that sent a Hall of Famer to the bench.  They'll get their opportunity; new contract or not, Bass could see his role diminished if he's not as good as one of the kids.

Besides, JJJ will play a lot at the 4, but not exclusively there.  He'll be backing up Pierce as well.  KG's not going to play more than 30MPG.  There's minutes to be had.

[Tr1boy]

Disagree. There will few minutes for JJJ and Sully. The top 4 will take all the minutes. There just won't be enough minutes to go around. Not sure why we drafted those kids in the first place. Hope we can trade them later.

exactly though not sure what kind of trade value you will get for them if they are buried on the bench.

Why not just draft Brooks last year, if you are going to need SG anyways.

Dannys drafting pattern these years have been poor. Especially how they will be incorporated in the lineup eventually. You are wasting time and money. Danny wants to win now and have a team of vets. Then they get three project like picks in JJJ (needs to bulk up), Sullinger (needs to slim down), Melo (shape body and very raw still).

If you want instance defense you could of had Jared Cunningham, Melo , or just draft Melo and trade the other pick for a future pick. Also you could package both picks and get Zeller instead.

Honestly i wouldn't feel too great being in these kids shoes. No matter how hard you practice , unless you get real game experience you will barely improve.

[snively]

sully is going to back up bass and play some 5....JJJ has d league and doghouse written all over him

You never know.  If JJJ can pick up some of the defensive awareness/intensity he was lacking last year in the offseason/training camp, he might see rotation minutes.  He's got the raw tools to be a rotation player on this team - he can hit mid-range Js, hedge and recover on screens, bother shots with his length and run the floor. 

[Tr1boy]

Disagree. There will few minutes for JJJ and Sully. The top 4 will take all the minutes. There just won't be enough minutes to go around. Not sure why we drafted those kids in the first place. Hope we can trade them later.

... except if they prove that they're one of the four best options, they'll get on the floor.  Hell, AB went from being a guy everyone wanted to dump to a guy that sent a Hall of Famer to the bench.  They'll get their opportunity; new contract or not, Bass could see his role diminished if he's not as good as one of the kids.

Besides, JJJ will play a lot at the 4, but not exclusively there.  He'll be backing up Pierce as well.  KG's not going to play more than 30MPG.  There's minutes to be had.

last year celtics were on one leg with an overplayed KG and unproductive Bass at times, yet JJJ never got to see the light of day last year. This year its even worse with addition of Melo and Sully.

Plenty of mins, true, but when you play for Rivers, you either PLAY or you sit most of the time

[lightspeed5]

Disagree. There will few minutes for JJJ and Sully. The top 4 will take all the minutes. There just won't be enough minutes to go around. Not sure why we drafted those kids in the first place. Hope we can trade them later.

exactly though not sure what kind of trade value you will get for them if they are buried on the bench.

Why not just draft Brooks last year, if you are going to need SG anyways.

Dannys drafting pattern these years have been poor. Especially how they will be incorporated in the lineup eventually. You are wasting time and money. Danny wants to win now and have a team of vets. Then they get three project like picks in JJJ (needs to bulk up), Sullinger (needs to slim down), Melo (shape body and very raw still).

If you want instance defense you could of had Jared Cunningham, Melo , or just draft Melo and trade the other pick for a future pick. Also you could package both picks and get Zeller instead.

Honestly i wouldn't feel too great being in these kids shoes. No matter how hard you practice , unless you get real game experience you will barely improve.

are you eriously going to diss jjj and sully? late first round draft picks are not perfect, so you would be complaining no matter who danny drafted

[Tr1boy]

no i wouldn't. You draft Cunningham, you can still get Ray Allen and the sg/pg positions would be pretty much set. Melo was a position need, so he should get some mins backing up Stiemsma or whoever.

But sully and jjj have bass and kg in front of the PF position. Plus they are signed for the next three years.

[SHAQATTACK]

AB only played like 1 yr of college right? He was a super talent.

Sully and Fab are also VERY YOUNG..they left early too.

JJJ and Moore were in School 4 years and now have 1 short season with hardly any schooling /practice , ect.

Moore and JJJ are really under the gun. They were sorta cheated , but it was the way it worked out.  

With Bass back and pending return of Jeff Green,  its gonna SUPER SUPER HARD now for JJJ to make any noise.  Moore has a chance with AB out for 6 months

Sully ..might be the breakout piece later in the season... he comes from a winning family and knows basketball.  I can see him sometime after the alstar break start to pickup some minutes , DOC will want to be STOCKED , LOCKED , and loaded with able bodied guys to play the 5 spot.


JJJ has to prove himself before the season begins.

I think Sully and Fab > have much more 'potiental than JJJ short and long term , even though they are younger.

I think we'll see Sully and Fab at the end of the season a fair amount, while the old guys are resting and healing.  

[Tr1boy]

Disagree. There will few minutes for JJJ and Sully. The top 4 will take all the minutes. There just won't be enough minutes to go around. Not sure why we drafted those kids in the first place. Hope we can trade them later.

exactly though not sure what kind of trade value you will get for them if they are buried on the bench.

Why not just draft Brooks last year, if you are going to need SG anyways.

Dannys drafting pattern these years have been poor. Especially how they will be incorporated in the lineup eventually. You are wasting time and money. Danny wants to win now and have a team of vets. Then they get three project like picks in JJJ (needs to bulk up), Sullinger (needs to slim down), Melo (shape body and very raw still).

If you want instance defense you could of had Jared Cunningham, Melo , or just draft Melo and trade the other pick for a future pick. Also you could package both picks and get Zeller instead.

Honestly i wouldn't feel too great being in these kids shoes. No matter how hard you practice , unless you get real game experience you will barely improve.

are you eriously going to diss jjj and sully? late first round draft picks are not perfect, so you would be complaining no matter who danny drafted

let me ask you, even if you draft a guy 30th, is your intention to never play him? at least want him to be a bench player?

Why draft and pay money then?

i know we are deep and need to be. But Bass was sort of not worth getting. You really needed to waste money on obtaining a good Centre. This would of made more sense

[BostonNative]

AB only played like 1 yr of college right? He was a super talent.

Sully and Fab are also VERY YOUNG..they left early too.

JJJ and Moore were in School 4 years and now have 1 short season with hardly any schooling /practice , ect.

Moore and JJJ are really under the gun. They were sorta cheated , but it was the way it worked out.  

With Bass back and pending return of Jeff Green,  its gonna SUPER SUPER HARD now for JJJ to make any noise.  Moore has a chance with AB out for 6 months

Sully ..might be the breakout piece later in the season... he comes from a winning family and knows basketball.  I can see him sometime after the alstar break start to pickup some minutes , DOC will want to be STOCKED , LOCKED , and loaded with able bodied guys to play the 5 spot.


JJJ has to prove himself before the season begins.

I think Sully and Fab > have much more 'potiental than JJJ short and long term , even though they are younger.

I think we'll see Sully and Fab at the end of the season a fair amount, while the old guys are resting and healing.  

TP for mentioning the kids didn't even have a full season to get prepared for the NBA level.People seem to forget that.