what is Mark Cuban doing to the Mavericks??

[MBunge]

Question is how do you move forward? Amnesty Haywood, renounce everyone and try and land another star in a lopsided trade? Gasol, Igoudala & Gay are available for salary dumps.

But the problem with going for cap space is that you don't have any assets to trade if you can't land that big free agent.  Is anyone really going to trade a Gasol, Igoudala or Gay for Rodrigue Beaubois and a couple of first round picks?  'Cause that's all Dallas has left to offer.

Mike

[heitingas]

He did the right thing IMO, ther was potential to get Deron, and that would be the 1st domino, that could lead to Howard, in worst case you get Deron,Dirk.

It didn't workout, now he Should have a firesale, he got rid of Odom,Jet and probably Kidd.

He got the amnesty card, use it on Marion and use the stretch provision on Haywood.

You have Dirk and Those Draft picks you got from Cleveland AND capspace.

Trading picks and absorb contracts that can help keep the Mavs competitive.

If it doesn't work Either,trade Dirk and start all over again.

[jambr380]

Cuban gambled he could strike it rich in FA and it appears he lost, big time.

Unless he can work some magic here in the next year he may be forced to get whatever assets he can for Dirk and start to rebuild.  Don't know how well that is going to go over down there though.

Rondo, Sullinger, and Melo for Dirk?

Yikes, I really really don't want to see Rondo go for Dirk. Sure, I do the deal several years ago, but I am not sure that Dirk gives us the best chance at winning. He has always been the best player for his team and has been a volume shooter. I know that Pierce, Garnett, and Allen all learned to work together in 07-08, but right now we are nearing the end for all of their respective careers. I think I may actually choose Pau over Dirk at this point, but neither at the expense of Rondo...

[ManUp]

Simple.

Maintaining flexibility by not investing long-term in older players.

Probably should've resigned Chandler after the championship but at this point letting older guys go is smart, imo.

Yeah but chandler got a huge contract.  As the second best player (which he would have been) he isn't worth that contract.  Not enough scoring and really not a great rebounder (though an excellent defender).  He isn't a role player, but he isn't much more than that, so they couldn't give him that sort of contract to be the second best player on the team (on the Knicks he is the third best player, which is better). 

I completely understand why they didn't resign Chandler, but they were defending champs and he was the backbone of their defense.

Sometimes you have to overpay to keep a team together.

Probably should've resigned Chandler after the championship but at this point letting older guys go is smart, imo.

Letting older players go is only smart if you've got someone to replace them that will make you a better team.  I would argue that most times, resigning an older player for less money and fewer years is better than grabbing an equivalent younger player on a bigger and longer contract.  I used this example in another thread.  Would you rather have Jason Terry at 3 years, 15 million or OJ Mayo at 4 years, 40+ million?

Mike

They seem to be happy with Delonte who when healthy provides a lot of the same things as Terry. He's not as great a shooter, but does everything else at about the same level if not better. Terry is 35 and on the decline, they were right to let him go.

[clover]

And what are the Hawks and Nets doing? 

Three interesting teams to watch (while Danny kills us with the boredom of last year's team).

[Kane3387]

Cuban gambled he could strike it rich in FA and it appears he lost, big time.

Unless he can work some magic here in the next year he may be forced to get whatever assets he can for Dirk and start to rebuild.  Don't know how well that is going to go over down there though.

Rondo, Sullinger, and Melo for Dirk?

Ray to clippers
Bass, Bradley, bledsoe, Gomes, jjj, Moore, pietrus, and picks to mavs
Dirk to celtics

Lol I wish but with the right sign and trades the salaries would match up.

Can you imagine closing out a game with rondo, Terry, pierce, dirk, and kg?

[j804]

Simple.

Maintaining flexibility by not investing long-term in older players.

Probably should've resigned Chandler after the championship but at this point letting older guys go is smart, imo.

Yeah but chandler got a huge contract.  As the second best player (which he would have been) he isn't worth that contract.  Not enough scoring and really not a great rebounder (though an excellent defender).  He isn't a role player, but he isn't much more than that, so they couldn't give him that sort of contract to be the second best player on the team (on the Knicks he is the third best player, which is better). 

I completely understand why they didn't resign Chandler, but they were defending champs and he was the backbone of their defense.

Sometimes you have to overpay to keep a team together.

Probably should've resigned Chandler after the championship but at this point letting older guys go is smart, imo.

Letting older players go is only smart if you've got someone to replace them that will make you a better team.  I would argue that most times, resigning an older player for less money and fewer years is better than grabbing an equivalent younger player on a bigger and longer contract.  I used this example in another thread.  Would you rather have Jason Terry at 3 years, 15 million or OJ Mayo at 4 years, 40+ million?

Mike

They seem to be happy with Delonte who when healthy provides a lot of the same things as Terry. He's not as great a shooter, but does everything else at about the same level if not better. Terry is 35 and on the decline, they were right to let him go.

Delonte also wants a multi year deal

[MBunge]

Simple.

Maintaining flexibility by not investing long-term in older players.

Probably should've resigned Chandler after the championship but at this point letting older guys go is smart, imo.

Yeah but chandler got a huge contract.  As the second best player (which he would have been) he isn't worth that contract.  Not enough scoring and really not a great rebounder (though an excellent defender).  He isn't a role player, but he isn't much more than that, so they couldn't give him that sort of contract to be the second best player on the team (on the Knicks he is the third best player, which is better). 

I completely understand why they didn't resign Chandler, but they were defending champs and he was the backbone of their defense.

Sometimes you have to overpay to keep a team together.

Probably should've resigned Chandler after the championship but at this point letting older guys go is smart, imo.

Letting older players go is only smart if you've got someone to replace them that will make you a better team.  I would argue that most times, resigning an older player for less money and fewer years is better than grabbing an equivalent younger player on a bigger and longer contract.  I used this example in another thread.  Would you rather have Jason Terry at 3 years, 15 million or OJ Mayo at 4 years, 40+ million?

Mike

They seem to be happy with Delonte who when healthy provides a lot of the same things as Terry. He's not as great a shooter, but does everything else at about the same level if not better. Terry is 35 and on the decline, they were right to let him go.

Delonte also wants a multi year deal

Which is the problem.  Dallas still has to play the upcoming season and they're still going to have to sign a bunch of free agents.  Only total scrubs and ancient vets will sign one year deals, so Dallas is now going to have to sign mid-level players to multi-year deals anyway.  That's the flaw in the mania for cap space.  You have to use it when you've got it, even if you don't get the best player available.

I think the far better strategy is to just collect as many assets as possible so you can take advantage of any opportunity that comes up.

Mike

[ManUp]

West is about 6 years younger and will likely come cheaper.

Dallas had reportedly offered Terry a two year deal with more money per than the MLE.

I can't blame them for not wanting him for more than that.

[mctyson]

the team was a championship team in 2011, then right after summer he lets almost every cog to that run go..chandler, JJ barea, deshawn stevenson

the team then becomes 7th seed 1st round sweep fodder..

now, Terry is gone(although im happy ) and likely Kidd goes to the nets. dirk probably has 2-3 good years left and Cuban has just wasted it...barring any big moves, the mavs arent going anywhere next year..

I guess it shows how futile renouncing your fa's to chase after the possibility a superstar will join you is futile...more often than not you are left standing at the alter empty handed.

There are different ways to build or re-build a contender.  Most teams take the "dump-and-tank" approach in which they unload all of the veterans to contenders, take back expiring deals and picks, and tank so they can get a good lottery pick.

We are showing that you can re-build on the fly by keeping your veteran talent around on cap-friendly deals, and add youngsters by shrewd late-round drafting and value trades.

Dallas was not willing to go the all the way on the "dump-and-tank" approach, probably because it would have been so offensive to their fans, the league, and Dirk to win a championship and not make the playoffs the following year.  They dumped the salaries but tried to immediately replace them with high-prices free agents.  As has been stated here many times, salary cap space is a risky rebuilding strategy because there is nothing guaranteed about free agent signings.

Dallas is simply proving that fact, as many teams did in the Lebron or Dwight Howard pursuits.

[European NBA fan]

I think that Cuban not only gambled too much on getting Deron Williams, but also misread the market somewhat after the new CBA. He said that you need cap space to operate under this CBA, but  that doesn't matter yet, and a lot of teams are more interested in the short term than the long term. He might be right, but it will not show until next year, where a lot of teams will be crippled by their signings this summer, and it might too late for Dirk.

[SHAQATTACK]

He should have keep the team intact , Cuban might have "really"  competed for another 2-3 year ( with DIRK) , I knew they wweren't going far after he unloaded all those championship players last season.  So basically , he has throw away the really last 2 years of Dirk as major force. He already looked a step slower , he maybe worse this year.

I think, he is not a popular and fun guy as he thinks he is. FA's didn't tear the walls down to play on his team.  

He is gonna be a grumpy old guy when he is 70+ , the next George Steinbriner.

[Roy H.]

We could very easily be in the Mavericks' shoes.  I'm very happy with the "bring 'em back" strategy, rather than watching our team get spurned by Deron Williams and other free agents.

[Jon]

Just goes to show you that dumping salary in pursuit of big names is often not the best plan.  It was especially stupid with Williams, who really isn't a transcendent player worth risking it all for. 

DA's plan of rebuilding while competing, while simultaneously holding onto potentially valuable trade pieces makes much more sense at this point. 

[Moranis]

Simple.

Maintaining flexibility by not investing long-term in older players.

Probably should've resigned Chandler after the championship but at this point letting older guys go is smart, imo.

Yeah but chandler got a huge contract.  As the second best player (which he would have been) he isn't worth that contract.  Not enough scoring and really not a great rebounder (though an excellent defender).  He isn't a role player, but he isn't much more than that, so they couldn't give him that sort of contract to be the second best player on the team (on the Knicks he is the third best player, which is better). 

I completely understand why they didn't resign Chandler, but they were defending champs and he was the backbone of their defense.

Sometimes you have to overpay to keep a team together.

But if they weren't going to win again they had to not overpay or they would have been stuck in mediocrity for 5 years.  The Mavs did the right thing and I am a bit worried whether or not Boston did.