Marc Spears: Pacers, Nets, Mavs, Heat, Knicks, and Hawks interested in Bass

[esel1000]

Talking S&T for Terry is pointless hes already taking 3 year MLE with us, the Mavs wont extend him 3 so the deal we heard earlier is basically done. It would be interesting to see who we could S&T Bass for on the market though

[D Dub]

S/T  Bass & Ray for Tyson Chandler?

[KG_ended_Bias]

S/T  Bass & Ray for Tyson Chandler?

That would mean Amare back at Center with a bad back correct? Knicks probably just rather us have Amare rather than Chandler in all honesty.

[Roy H.]

To put it plainly, while Bass is the better and younger player, Camby is a better fit based on what he can bring to the game. Camby is flat out better at defense and rebounding. 

In terms of defense, it's not so clear cut:

Camby:  0.89 points allowed per possession (301st in NBA); 42.3% FG% allowed; 0.86 points allowed per possession on post-ups (159th)

Bass:  0.69 points allowed per possession (16th in NBA); 31.3% FG% allowed; 0.56 points allowed per possession on post-ups (7th)

In other words, in terms of actual play on the court, Bass was MUCH better on defense than Camby.  In fact, Bass was one of the most effective defenders in the NBA playing in our system.

[D Dub]

S/T  Bass & Ray for Tyson Chandler?

That would mean Amare back at Center with a bad back correct? Knicks probably just rather us have Amare rather than Chandler in all honesty.

Both struggled to play together at same time.  Bass at 4 shooting 15footers allows Amare free roam of the paint which I think he needs to be effective.  

[j804]

To put it plainly, while Bass is the better and younger player, Camby is a better fit based on what he can bring to the game. Camby is flat out better at defense and rebounding. 

In terms of defense, it's not so clear cut:

Camby:  0.89 points allowed per possession (301st in NBA); 42.3% FG% allowed; 0.86 points allowed per possession on post-ups (159th)

Bass:  0.69 points allowed per possession (16th in NBA); 31.3% FG% allowed; 0.56 points allowed per possession on post-ups (7th)

In other words, in terms of actual play on the court, Bass was MUCH better on defense than Camby.  In fact, Bass was one of the most effective defenders in the NBA playing in our system.

just goes to show how being in our system and the defense we preach rubs off on guys

[CelticSooner]

To put it plainly, while Bass is the better and younger player, Camby is a better fit based on what he can bring to the game. Camby is flat out better at defense and rebounding. 

In terms of defense, it's not so clear cut:

Camby:  0.89 points allowed per possession (301st in NBA); 42.3% FG% allowed; 0.86 points allowed per possession on post-ups (159th)

Bass:  0.69 points allowed per possession (16th in NBA); 31.3% FG% allowed; 0.56 points allowed per possession on post-ups (7th)

In other words, in terms of actual play on the court, Bass was MUCH better on defense than Camby.  In fact, Bass was one of the most effective defenders in the NBA playing in our system.

Camby didn't have a elite defender like KG to help him out though. How good would Bass look if he was the anchor of the defense and didn't play in a system like the C's have?

[KGs Knee]

Well, I'd wonder what Bass' previous numbers looked like, as in when not playing next to KG.

I still say, numbers aside, Camby/KG is a better pairing than KG/Bass.  If for nothing more than it puts two effective rim protectors and rebounders vs only one.

Alas, it nothing more than a pipe dream at this point.  It seems Danny's made up his mind we will once again be stuck without a legit C other than KG.  Sigh.

[Roy H.]

To put it plainly, while Bass is the better and younger player, Camby is a better fit based on what he can bring to the game. Camby is flat out better at defense and rebounding. 

In terms of defense, it's not so clear cut:

Camby:  0.89 points allowed per possession (301st in NBA); 42.3% FG% allowed; 0.86 points allowed per possession on post-ups (159th)

Bass:  0.69 points allowed per possession (16th in NBA); 31.3% FG% allowed; 0.56 points allowed per possession on post-ups (7th)

In other words, in terms of actual play on the court, Bass was MUCH better on defense than Camby.  In fact, Bass was one of the most effective defenders in the NBA playing in our system.

Camby didn't have a elite defender like KG to help him out though. How good would Bass look if he was the anchor of the defense and didn't play in a system like the C's have?

Respectfully, who cares what Bass would look like on another team?  All I care about it what he can do for us.  Bass is a much better offensive player, and in our system, he played at an elite level defensively.  What are the chances that Camby could come close to that on either end?

[BleedGreen1989]

Well, I'd wonder what Bass' previous numbers looked like, as in when not playing next to KG.

I still say, numbers aside, Camby/KG is a better pairing than KG/Bass.  If for nothing more than it puts two effective rim protectors and rebounders vs only one.

Alas, it nothing more than a pipe dream at this point.  It seems Danny's made up his mind we will once again be stuck without a legit C other than KG.  Sigh.

i feel your pain...

[CelticSooner]

To put it plainly, while Bass is the better and younger player, Camby is a better fit based on what he can bring to the game. Camby is flat out better at defense and rebounding. 

In terms of defense, it's not so clear cut:

Camby:  0.89 points allowed per possession (301st in NBA); 42.3% FG% allowed; 0.86 points allowed per possession on post-ups (159th)

Bass:  0.69 points allowed per possession (16th in NBA); 31.3% FG% allowed; 0.56 points allowed per possession on post-ups (7th)

In other words, in terms of actual play on the court, Bass was MUCH better on defense than Camby.  In fact, Bass was one of the most effective defenders in the NBA playing in our system.

Camby didn't have a elite defender like KG to help him out though. How good would Bass look if he was the anchor of the defense and didn't play in a system like the C's have?

Respectfully, who cares what Bass would look like on another team?  All I care about it what he can do for us.  Bass is a much better offensive player, and in our system, he played at an elite level defensively.  What are the chances that Camby could come close to that on either end?

He wouldn't, I would say his rebounding ability if more important than Bass' scoring though.

[Kuberski33]

Someone is going to come in and overpay for Bass.  There's a lot of pressure on these GM's to land talent because you have to turn around and sell tickets.  Better to overpay for reasonable talent than strike out completely. 

Someone on twitter posted that this new collective bargaining agreement sucks for the superstars and rookies but is great for the average talent.  Can't say I disagree. 

Long term I think it's going to hurt the product -- significantly -- because there are going to be a lot of crappy teams - maxed out capwise- that have no chance of winning a title.

[KGs Knee]

I guess I'm just mad that the one thing I wanted from this off-season, after KG returning, was a replacement/uprgrade of Bass.

I just don't see Bass as a good enough starting big.  Which is unfortunatelt very likely to be the case.  It puts tremendous pressure on KG.

[clover]

To put it plainly, while Bass is the better and younger player, Camby is a better fit based on what he can bring to the game. Camby is flat out better at defense and rebounding. 

In terms of defense, it's not so clear cut:

Camby:  0.89 points allowed per possession (301st in NBA); 42.3% FG% allowed; 0.86 points allowed per possession on post-ups (159th)

Bass:  0.69 points allowed per possession (16th in NBA); 31.3% FG% allowed; 0.56 points allowed per possession on post-ups (7th)

In other words, in terms of actual play on the court, Bass was MUCH better on defense than Camby.  In fact, Bass was one of the most effective defenders in the NBA playing in our system.

Intuitively, Bass just doesn't seem that good defensively.  Is it possible that playing next to KG is a significant factor that bleeds through into Bass's stat there?

[jambr380]

I don't think most people have a problem with what Bass offers offensively and defensively for the team. His pricetag may be a little high, but it's okay since he still fits within our cap and he plays very well within our system.

The major problem would be the years he would want. Most seem to agree that two years would be beneficial for us, but he will most likely want more security than that. The other question is if KG wants to play pf and we have Sullinger and JJJ as potential future pieces at pf, then he may be a bit redundant.

I am in the camp that Bass is better than Camby, but don't want to give him a whole bunch of years. A sign and trade may make everybody happy.