Rivers: We're going to get Jeff, [Ray] will be back.

[AB_Celtic]

Here's Broussard on Green:

"His agent, David Falk, told me Boston is the first, second and third option for Jeff Green."

I don't get why some people are so down on Green. He's a hardworking, intelligent, athletic player who loves Boston. What more can you ask for?

It's quotes like this that make me really like Green though.

[SHAQATTACK]

Here's Broussard on Green:

"His agent, David Falk, told me Boston is the first, second and third option for Jeff Green."

I don't get why some people are so down on Green. He's a hardworking, intelligent, athletic player who loves Boston. What more can you ask for?

It's quotes like this that make me really like Green though.

True, he has alot of talent, and was thrown on a completely new and diff, defensive minded team. The guys were basically all young and equal in OKC .  He may have been overwhelmed with the whole thing and was having a hard time finding HIS WAY or fitting in. I think he has a better handle on the teams concept , a friendship deveopled with DA, DOC and the Vets ...I look for whole new Jeff Green to show up  this season. 

Paul Pierce is a very uncommon talent at his position. It will hard for someone to come in a fill his shoes. Give Green another chance.

[rayallen1934]

I would like to see the quote / source or whatever saying that KG and PP prefer RA to be starting?  I assume KG and PP prefer 'winning' and we did a lot more of that after AB was inserted into the starting lineup last year. 

I know there are a lot of things going into that, but just to say that RA is a vet and he has 'earned' it doesn't hold water with me.  You play the players that make the best team. 

I think Ray is staying put, and if the kicker is starting, then I think that's an easy solution.

Ray is a vet, he's earned a starting spot, and you can play Avery (for now) just as many minutes off the bench.

The whole "starting" moniker is just a head thing anyway, and if it keeps Ray here, no biggie.

Minutes are minutes, whether you're on the floor for the tip-off or not ... give your vet the respect, and just adjust the minutes.

As far as Green is concerned, he's still an unproven quantity in Boston ... he was mediocre before the injury at best, and he's got a ways to go before he's got a solid spot, IMHO.

An amazing talent and incredible athlete, but his attitude and work-ethic have yet to reach a similar level ... he's got what it takes physically, but he has not yet made the most of his abilities.

We'll see.

I disagree about Ray.  I think our team is better with Bradley starting and Ray coming off the bench to give the second unit a much needed scoring boost.  

Ray is still an important part of our team, and Danny showed that by offering him a contract worth more than the other top competitors for his services have been willing or able to offer.  

But, we can't afford to make a guarantee of being a starter part of the package.  If Ray can't accept that, I say; "thank you for your service, Ray, but I guess it's time to move on."

Hopefully, he comes to his senses and realizes that this is where he belongs and that while he's here his job will be to do whatever Doc asks him to do, whether that's starting or coming off the bench.  

Ray's better as a starter, period, and Bradley's numbers are pretty consistent either way, as long as his minutes are production-worthy.

Ray's an intergral part of the team and still has plenty of mileage, (and a better option right now than Terry, IMO), so you cater to what serves the team best.

If Ray's numbers are better as a starter, and Avery's aren't affected by much other than time on the floor, then start Ray and give Bradley the minutes he needs.

"Starter" is just a title, but one that Ray has earned, so if it benefits him to have that title, (and has little effect on AB either way), then it makes no sense not to give it to him.

KG and Paul also prefer Ray starting, and that chemistry issue is a big one, at least until Paul and Kevin retire. Avery will produce well either way, just keep his minutes up.

here is the thing

Avery Bradley starting is great in most games. I think it works.


But with Miami I love the combo of Ray and Bradley playing together, lethal shooting with supreme defense.


Your not going to win in the playoffs without Ray Allen, at least not with the team we've had and have now

That can certainly change, but as clishe as it sounds that Ray opens up everything for the offense...i could see it just by Ray playing healthier and better as the playoffs went along. The offense was so smooth, crisp, and rondo pierce got the shots they wanted so much easiers as to what Ray Allen was doing earlier in the playoffs which was stinking it up.

[indeedproceed]

Here's Broussard on Green:

"His agent, David Falk, told me Boston is the first, second and third option for Jeff Green."

I don't get why some people are so down on Green. He's a hardworking, intelligent, athletic player who loves Boston. What more can you ask for?

It's quotes like this that make me really like Green though.

I don't think 'down' on Green is right. I'm 'up' on Green as a backup and versatile 3/4. I think he's a great fit there.

I'm 'down' on Green as a long-term answer and starter at either position though. He doesn't shoot or create well enough to be an elite 3, and doesn't defend or rebound (or assert himself physically) well enough to be an elite 4.

[CelticsFanNC]

  Personally I believe Jeff Green is a huge key to this teams success this coming season.   I know he gets highly criticized by some of people here and some of it is warranted going by his short stint in Boston.

  Here is why I believe if healthy he can be a huge key.

1) This guy has been a starter on one of the better teams in what was then the better conference before being traded to Boston.  He wasn't an All-Star and probably wont ever be one.  He was though a solid starter on a good team.  

2) He will undoubtedly improve by going through a full training camp and preseason in Doc's system.  He will develop chemistry with his teammates.  He will learn the defensive rotations and offensive plays.  He's a smart player.

3) Inserting Bass and Bradley made Rondo more consistently great then ever before, Green should aid in that even more because he is a better open court player then Bass is.  Rondo will make Green better but Green could also help make Rondo more consistently great just by getting out in front of him like Bradley does.  We need easy baskets and Rondo gets us them when guys get out in front of him.

4) If Doc and KG can make Bass into a passable defender Green should be even better as he is quicker and has better lateral movement.  This system has made players who are less physically gifted and skilled then Green into good defenders.

5) He gives our bench a reliable scorer and should aid in preventing the bench from going into those long scoring droughts.  He should be able to take 4's away from the basket and post up most 3's.

5) IMO the most important thing he can do is allow Doc to rest Paul Pierce and KG.  Because Green is a swing forward who has been a solid starter in the NBA he should be able to eat up minutes at both the 3 and 4 spots.  That could be huge in keeping Pierce and KG healthy and rested.  We all saw what a healthy and rested KG can  is still capable of.


  Sure I am optimistic about Green.  I just don't think we have seen the best Green has to offer.  I believe Doc and Co. can bring it out of him.  

[KGs Knee]

I think Green could be important, but more as a "rich man's Posey" type.  Not quite as good 3-point shooting or defense, but a better post player on offense and on the break.

I wouldn't give him more than $5-6m, 2 years at most.

[Green Pride]

I think a lot of this is about the salary cap and Danny's desire to build assets. B/c you can re-sign your own guys and then go over the cap with the MLE, you can get more that way than by letting your guys (Allen, Bass, Green) go and filling the space with free agents. So I suspect that he and Doc will say nice things about our guys, right up to the moment that they are either signed, or signed and traded, or potentially signed now and traded later.

In a perfect world, I think Danny would like to move on from Ray and get younger and more athletic, but we don't live in a perfect world.

[bdm860]

Here's Broussard on Green:

"His agent, David Falk, told me Boston is the first, second and third option for Jeff Green."

Like it or not, Green will be in Green next year. All that remains to be seen is the dollars and years involved, but Danny has been pretty fair about that - to both the team and the player.

Has David Falk fallen off in recent years?

Dude was like the most powerful agent ever.  You don't get guys like Juwan Howard $100m (which seems completely ridiculous today, let alone in '96) saying your client only wants to play in one city.

I like it though.  I wish all negotiations were so honest.

[celticinorlando]

Resign ray and green...sign and trade bass

[Snakehead]

Here's Broussard on Green:

"His agent, David Falk, told me Boston is the first, second and third option for Jeff Green."

Like it or not, Green will be in Green next year. All that remains to be seen is the dollars and years involved, but Danny has been pretty fair about that - to both the team and the player.

Has David Falk fallen off in recent years?

Dude was like the most powerful agent ever.  You don't get guys like Juwan Howard $100m (which seems completely ridiculous today, let alone in '96) saying your client only wants to play in one city.

I like it though.  I wish all negotiations were so honest.

Yeah it's surprising to hear from an agent but I think the whole heart situation and how it was handled makes it a special circumstance.


Also, I think he is not getting offered any more money than the C's would.  Probably the same or maybe like $1 mill more, but I think there's a limit you can risk on him even if there's a history of people recovering fine from the same condition.