No Love for Pietrus?

[Professor of Rondology]

TP just for the name alone...

Right back at you, Tyrone.  

I believe Pietrus will only be back if he signs for the vet min. His role on the team is very similar to James Posey's from 2008 [I think Posey was actually more valuable, mostly because of how clutch he was], and when Posey wanted more than the vet min we let him walk [actaully, it might have actually been the # of years and not the $ that fell short, I'm not positive]. If we have Jeff Green and Ray (or his replacement) coming off the bench at the 2 and 3 than I don't think we can afford to pay more than the min for what really amounts to an injury insurance policy

[Senninsage]

We should definitely bring Pietrus back. Not doing so would be very stupid. He's really good for us. The Celtics need to prove that they are willing to do what it takes to win, and resigning Pietrus is one of those things.

[tonyto3690]

He's a great lockerroom guy like KG, can guard both Wade and Lebron, and hit a 3.

Unfortunately for him, due to his injury he shot his way out of a decent contract.  I think we sign him for either the BAE or minimum.  Either would be fine with me.  He just needs to get his legs back under him.

[gpap]

I personally want nothing to do with Pietrus. He was horrible in the playoffs.

[Celtics18]

I have much love for Pietrus, would love to have him back.  That said, I think that his main role if Danny is able to sign everyone he wants to will be as a towel waver (or, rather, a "flexer").  

I want to bring back both he and Keyon in that role.  They are great locker room guys who won't need a lot of minutes to be happy or need to have their egos stroked.  But, if called upon due to injuries or whatever, they'll both be ready to contribute.  And, they'll be cheap.  

You need guys like that on your squad.  

[j804]

I have much love for Pietrus, would love to have him back.  That said, I think that his main role if Danny is able to sign everyone he wants to will be as a towel waver (or, rather, a "flexer").  

I want to bring back both he and Keyon in that role.  They are great locker room guys who won't need a lot of minutes to be happy or need to have their egos stroked.  But, if called upon due to injuries or whatever, they'll both be ready to contribute.  And, they'll be cheap.  

You need guys like that on your squad.  

Yup good guys to have but Pietrus can still defend and would still get minutes I'm pretty sure, most likely just waiting on Ray and Green before anything then will go after both

[SHAQATTACK]

Pietrus and Wilcox are both a bargain.... they will come in and give 110% anytime and a proud to be Celtics.

Wilcox loves to run the floor and our second unit was working sometimes better than the first when he was fully healthy .

Rondo and Wilcox , add Green and AB and those boys can ball

[pp34isthe1]

I understand giving Green a "fair" deal but imo Wilcox doesnt deserve more than the vet min. He made 3 mil last year for only half the season and he just came off of heart surgery.

Pietrus was my favortie bench player this past season and I feel that being offered the vet min is a bit cheap, I could see him taking the BAE.

Rondo/Dooling(Vet Min)
Allen/Bradley/Pietrus(BAE)
Pierce/Green/Quis
KG/Bass/Sully/3J
Camby(MLE)/Wilcox(vet min)/Melo

1.) I do not see Kris Joseph having a chance at making this roster, as well as E'twan Moore. There is no way that this team has (essentially) 5 rookies going into the season. No way.

2.)Bass/Sully/3J <---- One of these guys are gone. Unless we are making KG the starting center, no way we have 4 PF's on the roster.

[dmopower]

I like peaches also. If we fail to sign him I hope he doesn't go to Miami. As one poster said he helped guard wade and Bron.  He can help guard Pierce and Allen also.  That would suck.

[saltlover]

I understand giving Green a "fair" deal but imo Wilcox doesnt deserve more than the vet min. He made 3 mil last year for only half the season and he just came off of heart surgery.

Pietrus was my favortie bench player this past season and I feel that being offered the vet min is a bit cheap, I could see him taking the BAE.

Rondo/Dooling(Vet Min)
Allen/Bradley/Pietrus(BAE)
Pierce/Green/Quis
KG/Bass/Sully/3J
Camby(MLE)/Wilcox(vet min)/Melo

1.) I do not see Kris Joseph having a chance at making this roster, as well as E'twan Moore. There is no way that this team has (essentially) 5 rookies going into the season. No way.

2.)Bass/Sully/3J <---- One of these guys are gone. Unless we are making KG the starting center, no way we have 4 PF's on the roster.

No way Quis is back.  He will be let go in favor of Kris Joseph.  I like Quis, but considering how he's played the past couple seasons, I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't land anywhere in the NBA this year.  At most we would keep him over MP -- one or the other is gone.

Sully is certainly not going anywhere.  Firstly, we just signed him, so he can't be traded until the middle of the season.  Secondly, he slid way down in the draft -- it's not like there are teams clamoring for him.  Most likely Bass is gone or KG plays center (I'd guess KG at center because his love of Doc trumps his dislike of the position.)  I suppose Johnson could be traded, but I don't know for what.

[ScottHow]

He's just not a top priority right now.

[KJ33]

As a few have nicely outlined here, there are cap limitations that make it near impossible to sign Pietrus to any more than the minimum.  I feel like people are just coming up with #s that they think are "fair" or what he is "worth" but don't understand the Celts cannot just give him more than the min. without dipping into the MLE or BAE which they really don't want to do.  Pietrus and his agent know this, trust me.  Not having heard from the Celtics means nothing other than they have to take care of their own higher level free agents first (Ray, BB, Green) then see if they can entice someone like Terry to take the MLE and someone like Camby to take the BAE.  Only after these issues are done, will they fill out the roster with vet min contracts. They cannot go over the luxury threshold or they will lose the ability to have the full MLE available.

Also, since Moore's deal is not guaranteed until after the summer leagues, they need to wait to see how he does to decide if they will bring him back.  The Celts still have interest in Pietrus, and Wilcox for that matter, but they are low on the list of priorities in terms of signing order.  You don't sign BAEs and Vet mins first, those are the last guys to sign.  With the new CBA, the order and priority for the Celtics are pretty much predetermined.  They aren't going to just go offer this guy or that guy because they like him, the cap is very restrictive. 

I personally would like to see Pietrus back, IF, he will take the minimum.  That doesn't mean necessarily that I think he is only worth the min as a player in terms of his ability, but rather that that is all the Celtics can afford to offer him.  If he wants to be here bad enough, he will take that deal, if he wants slightly higher money, he will need to find it elsewhere.

[action781]

Pietrus is a Non-Bird free agent coming off a minimum deal, meaning the most we can offer him is 120% of the minimum salary.  That means that if we want to pay him more than just below $1.5 million, we have to waste part of our MLE or the BAE.

I don't think that makes sense.

Who better, and of more need, do you think we can get for the BAE?

I think we're going to sort out the 1-2 positions with the MLE and bird rights.  If we get Jeff Green, then we'll be set at the 3 also.  If we get Bass, then we are very set at the 4.

I'd definitely be open to using it for a center, but how many effective centers can be had for the BAE?  I doubt Kaman could be.  Is Camby realistic?  Maybe Steimsma?  Those are two.  If Dwight goes to Brooklyn, I'd want to sign Jason Collins, but he'll likely be available for the vet min.

If we can't get a rotational center, then I'd rather use it on a great chemistry guy and someone who has made some huge playoff contributions for us already.  We're going to need somebody to be 12th man and I know of very few people who can do that role better than Pietrus.

[AshyLarry]

Pietrus, if anything, should replace Michael Felger. That'd be awesome in every way.

[jambr380]

Pietrus is a Non-Bird free agent coming off a minimum deal, meaning the most we can offer him is 120% of the minimum salary.  That means that if we want to pay him more than just below $1.5 million, we have to waste part of our MLE or the BAE.

I don't think that makes sense.

The slight pay raise over the minimum may be enough, though. I know it isn't great, but it is more than a lot of teams could (or would) give him and he fits in very nicely here.

With the possible departure of Ray, I think it is important to have a slightly bigger two guard on the roster since Avery and Terry are pretty short.

On a slightly off note, I know you can sign and trade one player (like Allen OR Bass), but could you do it in the same deal to acquire a player of more use/salary? I guess it doesn't sound particularly 'allowed', but it would allow them to get slightly bigger contracts (than the MLE) and for us to get somebody who fits our system going forward.