While I would like Ray back, Jeff Green should be priority 1

[bucknersrevenge]

I disagree. Our starting power forward, Brandon Bass, is #1 priority.

I say "Yuck" on Brandon Bass. He wants starter money when he should be a backup. He has no post game and we need another post option beside KG(hence Sullinger who can also rebound). Money will be better used elsewhere on Green and others.

All Brandon Bass did while in Green is produce. He fits the system. The team made conscious effort to spread the floor for Rondo, and it worked. Slow footed Sully is a project. He won't see the floor if he doesn't improve atrocious defense.

He produced relative to his contract I agree. But Bass is not a good rebounder, his defense has now been upgraded to mediocre at best and his skills as a perimeter shooter and nothing more should put him on the bench as 6th or 7th man but the commitment in years and money he's gonna ask for will be consistent with being a starter. And to me, if this team wants to get to the next level it's gonna have to get something out of its younger players. That means JJJ, Sully, Green if he comes back. Or else why even draft these guys? Why even blow smoke about needing to increase our size and athleticism or whatever if we're not going to ask them to step up when called on?

[SCBirdman]

After Ray, re-signing Green should be the priority. I really like Bass, but he is not needed after we drafted Sully and Melo. Plus Green, even though he is a wing, can play closing minutes at the 4 and has the same skills as Bass, as Bass has no post game. I would prefer using the money we would spend on Bass and signing either Mayo or Lou Williams. We need more perimeter scoring off the bench.

Mayo
Ray/AB
Green
Sully
Steisma

thats a 2nd unit that should be able to score and not give away the leads our starters get in the 1st/3rd quarters.

[Stig]

Jeff Green will be a huge gamble, because:
1). the heart issue was very serious and he may never recover from it
2). i do hope he does recover, even so he'll need a season or so to get back to his previous condition, so he won't be the Jeff Green we knew until near playoff time.
3). if he recovers to last year's level before playoff, we know it's not enough, he must improve massively from there, but he won't have the time.

Having said that, I'd still keep him for one more year, but no more than a 5m/year contract. He'll help us this year, but not as much as AB did last year.

Actually, it's a fairly routine surgery that went very well. At least two different medical opinions say he will make a full recovery and be the old Jeff Green. Not sure where you're getting your info from, but he's already practicing 5v5 with the team...

I don't have any internal source, I'm just listing the possibilities. If the team doctor said his heart will never be a issue again, then let's cross risk 1).

With or without the heart issue, risk 2 and 3 still exists, he hasn't played basketball for a full year.

[wdleehi]

Ray was and still is the better player. 



He is the one teams are actually chasing.



He can stretch the floor (something the Celtics still need)


He is the one that has hit the big shot.

He hits 3's better... That's about it. That's what he brings to the table.

He hits all his shots better.


He fits into the offense better.


He can make the last shot. 


He is solid in the team defense. 


He actually fills a bigger need. 

I'm going off the assumption the bolded statements were jokes. Ray fits into an offense were half the shot clock is spent waiting for him to come off screens which happens some of the time. The rest Rondo ends up forcing up a late 3. I don't know about some of you but I'm tired of running that set all the time. Fact is, Ray is a specialist now. That's it. His job is come off the bench and hit 3's. A job you can pay most shooters at a fraction of the price to do.

And let's be clear, we didn't lose in the playoffs because we needed more 3-point shooting. We lost because we were atrocious defensively on the perimeter and allowed WAY too much penetration which broke down the defense. Exhibit A- Ray Allen who was just embarrassingly out of his depth attempting to guard Wade unless Wade was doubled. A younger, more athletic, better defender is much more a primary need. In fact, say what you want about their defense but Mayo and Jeff Green are worth 5 Ray Allens on defense now. Ray has negative lateral quickness. That's just how bad it is for Ray now.

Celtics lost because a lack of big men (true big men) after KG. 


As for the defensive replacement for Ray, his name is Bradley. 



With Ray starting, the team defense was fine.  The lack of interior defense outside of KG doomed this team. 



Mayo?  His team can't wait to get rid of him. 

[bucknersrevenge]

Ray was and still is the better player. 



He is the one teams are actually chasing.



He can stretch the floor (something the Celtics still need)


He is the one that has hit the big shot.

He hits 3's better... That's about it. That's what he brings to the table.

He hits all his shots better.


He fits into the offense better.


He can make the last shot. 


He is solid in the team defense. 


He actually fills a bigger need. 

I'm going off the assumption the bolded statements were jokes. Ray fits into an offense were half the shot clock is spent waiting for him to come off screens which happens some of the time. The rest Rondo ends up forcing up a late 3. I don't know about some of you but I'm tired of running that set all the time. Fact is, Ray is a specialist now. That's it. His job is come off the bench and hit 3's. A job you can pay most shooters at a fraction of the price to do.

And let's be clear, we didn't lose in the playoffs because we needed more 3-point shooting. We lost because we were atrocious defensively on the perimeter and allowed WAY too much penetration which broke down the defense. Exhibit A- Ray Allen who was just embarrassingly out of his depth attempting to guard Wade unless Wade was doubled. A younger, more athletic, better defender is much more a primary need. In fact, say what you want about their defense but Mayo and Jeff Green are worth 5 Ray Allens on defense now. Ray has negative lateral quickness. That's just how bad it is for Ray now.

Celtics lost because a lack of big men (true big men) after KG. 


As for the defensive replacement for Ray, his name is Bradley. 



With Ray starting, the team defense was fine.  The lack of interior defense outside of KG doomed this team. 



Mayo?  His team can't wait to get rid of him. 

They lost because Wade and Lebron penetrated at will, especially in Game 7 and were then slow closing out on shooters like Battier and Bosh. At this point, Paul is who he is. A scorer who can defend in spurts but can no longer consistently guard the more athletic players in this league. And Ray, forget it. Even as a bench player he is bad. The team defense had to overload to compensate for Allen's lack of quickness. Miami won with a lack of bigs because defensively they guard the perimeter so well.

And it's time to bring in more guys that can run with Rondo. Increase our offensive efficiency by ya know, getting easy baskets. I'm tired(and I'm sure Rondo is as well) of Rondo taking off on the break and nobody runs with him. Rondo is the best player on this team. It's time we start catering to that.

[wdleehi]

Ray was and still is the better player. 



He is the one teams are actually chasing.



He can stretch the floor (something the Celtics still need)


He is the one that has hit the big shot.

He hits 3's better... That's about it. That's what he brings to the table.

He hits all his shots better.


He fits into the offense better.


He can make the last shot. 


He is solid in the team defense. 


He actually fills a bigger need. 

I'm going off the assumption the bolded statements were jokes. Ray fits into an offense were half the shot clock is spent waiting for him to come off screens which happens some of the time. The rest Rondo ends up forcing up a late 3. I don't know about some of you but I'm tired of running that set all the time. Fact is, Ray is a specialist now. That's it. His job is come off the bench and hit 3's. A job you can pay most shooters at a fraction of the price to do.

And let's be clear, we didn't lose in the playoffs because we needed more 3-point shooting. We lost because we were atrocious defensively on the perimeter and allowed WAY too much penetration which broke down the defense. Exhibit A- Ray Allen who was just embarrassingly out of his depth attempting to guard Wade unless Wade was doubled. A younger, more athletic, better defender is much more a primary need. In fact, say what you want about their defense but Mayo and Jeff Green are worth 5 Ray Allens on defense now. Ray has negative lateral quickness. That's just how bad it is for Ray now.

Celtics lost because a lack of big men (true big men) after KG. 


As for the defensive replacement for Ray, his name is Bradley. 



With Ray starting, the team defense was fine.  The lack of interior defense outside of KG doomed this team. 



Mayo?  His team can't wait to get rid of him. 

They lost because Wade and Lebron penetrated at will, especially in Game 7 and were then slow closing out on shooters like Battier and Bosh. At this point, Paul is who he is. A scorer who can defend in spurts but can no longer consistently guard the more athletic players in this league. And Ray, forget it. Even as a bench player he is bad. The team defense had to overload to compensate for Allen's lack of quickness. Miami won with a lack of bigs because defensively they guard the perimeter so well.

And it's time to bring in more guys that can run with Rondo. Increase our offensive efficiency by ya know, getting easy baskets. I'm tired(and I'm sure Rondo is as well) of Rondo taking off on the break and nobody runs with him. Rondo is the best player on this team. It's time we start catering to that.

That happened once KG got pulled out of the middle (Bosh)


Get another guy that can defend the paint, and that will fix that issue. 

[SHAQATTACK]

Much as I enjoyed Bass and his timely jumpers, I voted for bringing Green back FOR A TRIAL period ( 1-2 year) .  We will need his skill to keep guys like LBJ/Kobe in check somewhat.

Greens defensive , makes up for the nice jumper Bass brings. Also Green won't go scoreless , he'll get 10 a game I suspect.

Green was thrown in a situation , and had little chance to adjust and practice with the team. Rondo was sulking big time, the whole team was out of wack , and this probally did nothing help the transistion for Green into the Boston "WAY" .

I think and hope he'll feel more comfortable with the program , coach, players , staff , ect and is well and eagar to play.

Green's I think is the easlier deal to work out and should settled quicker than Ray's contract negoiations.  

The starting spot is AB's now, if Ray wants it,  thats fine , then he needs to get healthy and TAKE it back with play making.

[Eris]

Ray is priority 1, Jeff is 1a. Saying the C's really want Ray is no slight to Jeff.

Bass, though, is a notch lower not because he isn't important or wanted, but because of what he wants. DA is letting him test the waters. I'm sure they are talking and if the price doesn't get too high he'll bring him back. Bass should look around at this stage in his career. He might still be back if he doesn't get the offer he wants. Even if he does he might do an s&t.

[wdleehi]

Ray is priority 1, Jeff is 1a. Saying the C's really want Ray is no slight to Jeff.

Bass, though, is a notch lower not because he isn't important or wanted, but because of what he wants. DA is letting him test the waters. I'm sure they are talking and if the price doesn't get too high he'll bring him back. Bass should look around at this stage in his career. He might still be back if he doesn't get the offer he wants. Even if he does he might do an s&t.

I still think the starting PF is more important then the backup SF.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Ray is priority 1, Jeff is 1a. Saying the C's really want Ray is no slight to Jeff.

Bass, though, is a notch lower not because he isn't important or wanted, but because of what he wants. DA is letting him test the waters. I'm sure they are talking and if the price doesn't get too high he'll bring him back. Bass should look around at this stage in his career. He might still be back if he doesn't get the offer he wants. Even if he does he might do an s&t.

I don't agree with this... I think Green is and should be priority 1 after KG signed.

[bucknersrevenge]

Ray was and still is the better player. 



He is the one teams are actually chasing.



He can stretch the floor (something the Celtics still need)


He is the one that has hit the big shot.

He hits 3's better... That's about it. That's what he brings to the table.

He hits all his shots better.


He fits into the offense better.


He can make the last shot. 


He is solid in the team defense. 


He actually fills a bigger need. 

I'm going off the assumption the bolded statements were jokes. Ray fits into an offense were half the shot clock is spent waiting for him to come off screens which happens some of the time. The rest Rondo ends up forcing up a late 3. I don't know about some of you but I'm tired of running that set all the time. Fact is, Ray is a specialist now. That's it. His job is come off the bench and hit 3's. A job you can pay most shooters at a fraction of the price to do.

And let's be clear, we didn't lose in the playoffs because we needed more 3-point shooting. We lost because we were atrocious defensively on the perimeter and allowed WAY too much penetration which broke down the defense. Exhibit A- Ray Allen who was just embarrassingly out of his depth attempting to guard Wade unless Wade was doubled. A younger, more athletic, better defender is much more a primary need. In fact, say what you want about their defense but Mayo and Jeff Green are worth 5 Ray Allens on defense now. Ray has negative lateral quickness. That's just how bad it is for Ray now.

Celtics lost because a lack of big men (true big men) after KG. 


As for the defensive replacement for Ray, his name is Bradley. 



With Ray starting, the team defense was fine.  The lack of interior defense outside of KG doomed this team. 



Mayo?  His team can't wait to get rid of him. 

They lost because Wade and Lebron penetrated at will, especially in Game 7 and were then slow closing out on shooters like Battier and Bosh. At this point, Paul is who he is. A scorer who can defend in spurts but can no longer consistently guard the more athletic players in this league. And Ray, forget it. Even as a bench player he is bad. The team defense had to overload to compensate for Allen's lack of quickness. Miami won with a lack of bigs because defensively they guard the perimeter so well.

And it's time to bring in more guys that can run with Rondo. Increase our offensive efficiency by ya know, getting easy baskets. I'm tired(and I'm sure Rondo is as well) of Rondo taking off on the break and nobody runs with him. Rondo is the best player on this team. It's time we start catering to that.

That happened once KG got pulled out of the middle (Bosh)


Get another guy that can defend the paint, and that will fix that issue. 

Another big to help cover for the inadequacies of our poor perimeter defense? That's your answer. Sorry, not into band-aids. Would rather work on a better solution at the root. Now you're never going to completely shut down Wade and James but at least if you arm yourself with the tools necessary to do it at the root level you give yourself a chance. Better perimeter defenders will more often keep their man in front of him or at least properly funnel that man to his help. Ray is a turnstile. Whatever he is now, he cannot be counted on anymore to even funnel properly unless he receives a double team. Again, we were beaten from the perimeter. Open 3's off penetration. You close off the penetration, fewer 3's left open on the perimeter.

[MBunge]

Ray is priority 1, Jeff is 1a. Saying the C's really want Ray is no slight to Jeff.

Bass, though, is a notch lower not because he isn't important or wanted, but because of what he wants. DA is letting him test the waters. I'm sure they are talking and if the price doesn't get too high he'll bring him back. Bass should look around at this stage in his career. He might still be back if he doesn't get the offer he wants. Even if he does he might do an s&t.

I still think the starting PF is more important then the backup SF.

KG should be the starting PF.  And frankly, depending on how well Green can play next season, moving him into the starting line up shouldn't be out of the question.

Rondo
Bradley
Green
KG
Krstic?

Mike

[wdleehi]

Ray was and still is the better player. 



He is the one teams are actually chasing.



He can stretch the floor (something the Celtics still need)


He is the one that has hit the big shot.

He hits 3's better... That's about it. That's what he brings to the table.

He hits all his shots better.


He fits into the offense better.


He can make the last shot. 


He is solid in the team defense. 


He actually fills a bigger need. 

I'm going off the assumption the bolded statements were jokes. Ray fits into an offense were half the shot clock is spent waiting for him to come off screens which happens some of the time. The rest Rondo ends up forcing up a late 3. I don't know about some of you but I'm tired of running that set all the time. Fact is, Ray is a specialist now. That's it. His job is come off the bench and hit 3's. A job you can pay most shooters at a fraction of the price to do.

And let's be clear, we didn't lose in the playoffs because we needed more 3-point shooting. We lost because we were atrocious defensively on the perimeter and allowed WAY too much penetration which broke down the defense. Exhibit A- Ray Allen who was just embarrassingly out of his depth attempting to guard Wade unless Wade was doubled. A younger, more athletic, better defender is much more a primary need. In fact, say what you want about their defense but Mayo and Jeff Green are worth 5 Ray Allens on defense now. Ray has negative lateral quickness. That's just how bad it is for Ray now.

Celtics lost because a lack of big men (true big men) after KG. 


As for the defensive replacement for Ray, his name is Bradley. 



With Ray starting, the team defense was fine.  The lack of interior defense outside of KG doomed this team. 



Mayo?  His team can't wait to get rid of him. 

They lost because Wade and Lebron penetrated at will, especially in Game 7 and were then slow closing out on shooters like Battier and Bosh. At this point, Paul is who he is. A scorer who can defend in spurts but can no longer consistently guard the more athletic players in this league. And Ray, forget it. Even as a bench player he is bad. The team defense had to overload to compensate for Allen's lack of quickness. Miami won with a lack of bigs because defensively they guard the perimeter so well.

And it's time to bring in more guys that can run with Rondo. Increase our offensive efficiency by ya know, getting easy baskets. I'm tired(and I'm sure Rondo is as well) of Rondo taking off on the break and nobody runs with him. Rondo is the best player on this team. It's time we start catering to that.

That happened once KG got pulled out of the middle (Bosh)


Get another guy that can defend the paint, and that will fix that issue. 

Another big to help cover for the inadequacies of our poor perimeter defense? That's your answer. Sorry, not into band-aids. Would rather work on a better solution at the root. Now you're never going to completely shut down Wade and James but at least if you arm yourself with the tools necessary to do it at the root level you give yourself a chance. Better perimeter defenders will more often keep their man in front of him or at least properly funnel that man to his help. Ray is a turnstile. Whatever he is now, he cannot be counted on anymore to even funnel properly unless he receives a double team. Again, we were beaten from the perimeter. Open 3's off penetration. You close off the penetration, fewer 3's left open on the perimeter.

That's called team defense.


Notice, it wasn't a big issue when Bosh was out and KG was able to defend the rim. 

I must have missed it, did Wade go wild against the Celtics in the playoffs?

[wdleehi]

Ray is priority 1, Jeff is 1a. Saying the C's really want Ray is no slight to Jeff.

Bass, though, is a notch lower not because he isn't important or wanted, but because of what he wants. DA is letting him test the waters. I'm sure they are talking and if the price doesn't get too high he'll bring him back. Bass should look around at this stage in his career. He might still be back if he doesn't get the offer he wants. Even if he does he might do an s&t.

I still think the starting PF is more important then the backup SF.

KG should be the starting PF.  And frankly, depending on how well Green can play next season, moving him into the starting line up shouldn't be out of the question.

Rondo
Bradley
Green
KG
Krstic?

Mike

Terrible. 


A big step back for the Celtics. 


Pierce is the starting SF.  He will play at least 30 minutes a game during the regular season, 36 in the playoffs.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Ray was and still is the better player. 



He is the one teams are actually chasing.



He can stretch the floor (something the Celtics still need)


He is the one that has hit the big shot.

He hits 3's better... That's about it. That's what he brings to the table.

He hits all his shots better.


He fits into the offense better.


He can make the last shot. 


He is solid in the team defense. 


He actually fills a bigger need. 

I'm going off the assumption the bolded statements were jokes. Ray fits into an offense were half the shot clock is spent waiting for him to come off screens which happens some of the time. The rest Rondo ends up forcing up a late 3. I don't know about some of you but I'm tired of running that set all the time. Fact is, Ray is a specialist now. That's it. His job is come off the bench and hit 3's. A job you can pay most shooters at a fraction of the price to do.

And let's be clear, we didn't lose in the playoffs because we needed more 3-point shooting. We lost because we were atrocious defensively on the perimeter and allowed WAY too much penetration which broke down the defense. Exhibit A- Ray Allen who was just embarrassingly out of his depth attempting to guard Wade unless Wade was doubled. A younger, more athletic, better defender is much more a primary need. In fact, say what you want about their defense but Mayo and Jeff Green are worth 5 Ray Allens on defense now. Ray has negative lateral quickness. That's just how bad it is for Ray now.

Celtics lost because a lack of big men (true big men) after KG. 


As for the defensive replacement for Ray, his name is Bradley. 



With Ray starting, the team defense was fine.  The lack of interior defense outside of KG doomed this team. 



Mayo?  His team can't wait to get rid of him. 

They lost because Wade and Lebron penetrated at will, especially in Game 7 and were then slow closing out on shooters like Battier and Bosh. At this point, Paul is who he is. A scorer who can defend in spurts but can no longer consistently guard the more athletic players in this league. And Ray, forget it. Even as a bench player he is bad. The team defense had to overload to compensate for Allen's lack of quickness. Miami won with a lack of bigs because defensively they guard the perimeter so well.

And it's time to bring in more guys that can run with Rondo. Increase our offensive efficiency by ya know, getting easy baskets. I'm tired(and I'm sure Rondo is as well) of Rondo taking off on the break and nobody runs with him. Rondo is the best player on this team. It's time we start catering to that.

That happened once KG got pulled out of the middle (Bosh)


Get another guy that can defend the paint, and that will fix that issue. 

Another big to help cover for the inadequacies of our poor perimeter defense? That's your answer. Sorry, not into band-aids. Would rather work on a better solution at the root. Now you're never going to completely shut down Wade and James but at least if you arm yourself with the tools necessary to do it at the root level you give yourself a chance. Better perimeter defenders will more often keep their man in front of him or at least properly funnel that man to his help. Ray is a turnstile. Whatever he is now, he cannot be counted on anymore to even funnel properly unless he receives a double team. Again, we were beaten from the perimeter. Open 3's off penetration. You close off the penetration, fewer 3's left open on the perimeter.

That's called team defense.


Notice, it wasn't a big issue when Bosh was out and KG was able to defend the rim. 

I must have missed it, did Wade go wild against the Celtics in the playoffs?

You didn't miss it but did you miss Wade having knee surgery after it was over...