Bring back Ray

[tyrone biggums]

Now that KG is signed sealed and delivered, we need Ray's spot shooting again, don't let this guy head to the Miami cHeat. Do not go after OJ Mayo...he is not the answer, a guy that hogs the ball, thinks hes a point guard, and can't create his own shot. If he came to blows to Tony Allen then I can only imagine how he'll handle KG.

[FrDrake]

The Cs can't just stand pat and bring everyone back. They need to improve and get younger.  Ray is the one who needs to go.  He absolutely showed his age this year.  It sucks if he goes to the Heat but the Cs need to move on.

[theswitch]

The Cs can't just stand pat and bring everyone back. They need to improve and get younger.  Ray is the one who needs to go.  He absolutely showed his age this year.  It sucks if he goes to the Heat but the Cs need to move on.

He showed his age mostly because of bone spurs. I'd like to move on, but at this point it seems like the best move for Danny is to resign everyone. We just don't have the cap space for anything else. If you want youth, you'll get it in Sullinger, Green, Melo, etc. And then whoever we spend the MLE on.

[tyrone biggums]

The Cs can't just stand pat and bring everyone back. They need to improve and get younger.  Ray is the one who needs to go.  He absolutely showed his age this year.  It sucks if he goes to the Heat but the Cs need to move on.

Well its better than bringing Mayo on board for a long term deal. I'm not saying pay this guy 8 million a year...but hes a much better investment than Mayo.

[Eddie20]

The Cs can't just stand pat and bring everyone back. They need to improve and get younger.  Ray is the one who needs to go.  He absolutely showed his age this year.  It sucks if he goes to the Heat but the Cs need to move on.

I wrote this on the KG thread, but I felt it was applicable here as well:


This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely.

[tyrone biggums]

The Cs can't just stand pat and bring everyone back. They need to improve and get younger.  Ray is the one who needs to go.  He absolutely showed his age this year.  It sucks if he goes to the Heat but the Cs need to move on.

I wrote this on the KG thread, but I felt it was applicable here as well:


This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely.

This is an outcome I wouldn't mind...if you just want a defensive body, wait to see what happens with Marcus Camby (He's old but he's still a presence at Center), a big that can board, block shots and can give you 15-20 minutes a game. Would also help Steamers development

[theswitch]

The Cs can't just stand pat and bring everyone back. They need to improve and get younger.  Ray is the one who needs to go.  He absolutely showed his age this year.  It sucks if he goes to the Heat but the Cs need to move on.

I wrote this on the KG thread, but I felt it was applicable here as well:


This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely.

This is an outcome I wouldn't mind...if you just want a defensive body, wait to see what happens with Marcus Camby (He's old but he's still a presence at Center), a big that can board, block shots and can give you 15-20 minutes a game. Would also help Steamers development

Yeah, I'm split between Camby and Kaman, although neither's durability thrills me.

[FrDrake]

The Cs can't just stand pat and bring everyone back. They need to improve and get younger.  Ray is the one who needs to go.  He absolutely showed his age this year.  It sucks if he goes to the Heat but the Cs need to move on.

I wrote this on the KG thread, but I felt it was applicable here as well:


This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely.

Cap space can also be used in trades with success...basically the OKC model which allowed them to pick up a ton of extra first round picks because they could take on short-term bad deals while developing their team.  I believe that is how they got the pick they used on Ibaka not to mention most of their bench outside of Harden.  We all know the Clippers pick was key to the Perk deal.

That exact strategy may not work for the Cs but the point is there are many ways to use cap space besides just signing FAs.  I may be wrong about DA's strategy here but we'll all find out soon enough.

I still think DA lets Ray walk.

[Rondoholic]

Now that KG is signed sealed and delivered, we need Ray's spot shooting again, don't let this guy head to the Miami cHeat. Do not go after OJ Mayo...he is not the answer, a guy that hogs the ball, thinks hes a point guard, and can't create his own shot. If he came to blows to Tony Allen then I can only imagine how he'll handle KG.

What people don't seem to realize with Mayo is just how much his versatility would help the C's. He is in no way comparable to Ray as a shooter but Ray is an average-at-best ball handler for a guard. Mayo has handle. This would give them flexibility when Rondo is off the court -- it takes a lot of the ball-handling responsibilities off of Bradley and allows him to be effective on all his cuts. Plus, Mayo has a little more height so he can guard 1s and 2s, maybe not that effectively but still. Wouldn't mind having him. Keep in mind that he averaged 18.5 ppg as a rookie shooting 44% from field, 39% from 3, 88% from the line. The potential is still there I believe.

[tyrone biggums]

The Cs can't just stand pat and bring everyone back. They need to improve and get younger.  Ray is the one who needs to go.  He absolutely showed his age this year.  It sucks if he goes to the Heat but the Cs need to move on.

I wrote this on the KG thread, but I felt it was applicable here as well:


This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely.

This is an outcome I wouldn't mind...if you just want a defensive body, wait to see what happens with Marcus Camby (He's old but he's still a presence at Center), a big that can board, block shots and can give you 15-20 minutes a game. Would also help Steamers development

Yeah, I'm split between Camby and Kaman, although neither's durability thrills me.

I look at our center position like a running back committee in the NFL, you don't necessarily have a bell cow to dominate the clock, you have two or three for different situations. If they get Kaman they have a guy to start the game and make J's (Kaman), a guy to protect the paint against a team like Miami (Melo) and a shot blocker in close defensive games (Steamer)...or if you sign and trade Steamer ....Eff it, sign Kaman AND Camby haha

[tyrone biggums]

Now that KG is signed sealed and delivered, we need Ray's spot shooting again, don't let this guy head to the Miami cHeat. Do not go after OJ Mayo...he is not the answer, a guy that hogs the ball, thinks hes a point guard, and can't create his own shot. If he came to blows to Tony Allen then I can only imagine how he'll handle KG.

What people don't seem to realize with Mayo is just how much his versatility would help the C's. He is in no way comparable to Ray as a shooter but Ray is an average-at-best ball handler for a guard. Mayo has handle. This would give them flexibility when Rondo is off the court -- it takes a lot of the ball-handling responsibilities off of Bradley and allows him to be effective on all his cuts. Plus, Mayo has a little more height so he can guard 1s and 2s, maybe not that effectively but still. Wouldn't mind having him. Keep in mind that he averaged 18.5 ppg as a rookie shooting 44% from field, 39% from 3, 88% from the line. The potential is still there I believe.

The problem is, and I respect your opinion, that Mayo still at the end of the day has nothing between the ears. You would think during his time in Memphis, Tony Allen would have gotten through to him (He did beat humility into him but that's a different issue), hes a guy who has very questionable judgement. Ray isn't a normal player in his late 30's, he keeps himself in supreme shape, and usually a jumper is one of the last things to go for a player. Again, Bradley will be taking a lot of his minutes as a crunch time defensive stopper...but ask yourself this, Rondo is in foul trouble with 10 minutes left in the game, would you trust OJ Mayo to run the point? I'm throwing this out there because Mayo is making it clear to teams from what I read that he wants to run the point, not be a 2

I'm sorry...I watched this guy in college and the pro's, I see flashes of his "greatness" but he isn't a fit here

[Eddie20]

The Cs can't just stand pat and bring everyone back. They need to improve and get younger.  Ray is the one who needs to go.  He absolutely showed his age this year.  It sucks if he goes to the Heat but the Cs need to move on.

I wrote this on the KG thread, but I felt it was applicable here as well:


This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely.

This is an outcome I wouldn't mind...if you just want a defensive body, wait to see what happens with Marcus Camby (He's old but he's still a presence at Center), a big that can board, block shots and can give you 15-20 minutes a game. Would also help Steamers development

Yeah, I'm split between Camby and Kaman, although neither's durability thrills me.

I look at our center position like a running back committee in the NFL, you don't necessarily have a bell cow to dominate the clock, you have two or three for different situations. If they get Kaman they have a guy to start the game and make J's (Kaman), a guy to protect the paint against a team like Miami (Melo) and a shot blocker in close defensive games (Steamer)...or if you sign and trade Steamer ....Eff it, sign Kaman AND Camby haha

Kaman can hit the mid-range shot, but he also has an excellent post game.

[tyrone biggums]

The Cs can't just stand pat and bring everyone back. They need to improve and get younger.  Ray is the one who needs to go.  He absolutely showed his age this year.  It sucks if he goes to the Heat but the Cs need to move on.

I wrote this on the KG thread, but I felt it was applicable here as well:


This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely.

This is an outcome I wouldn't mind...if you just want a defensive body, wait to see what happens with Marcus Camby (He's old but he's still a presence at Center), a big that can board, block shots and can give you 15-20 minutes a game. Would also help Steamers development

Yeah, I'm split between Camby and Kaman, although neither's durability thrills me.

I look at our center position like a running back committee in the NFL, you don't necessarily have a bell cow to dominate the clock, you have two or three for different situations. If they get Kaman they have a guy to start the game and make J's (Kaman), a guy to protect the paint against a team like Miami (Melo) and a shot blocker in close defensive games (Steamer)...or if you sign and trade Steamer ....Eff it, sign Kaman AND Camby haha

Kaman can hit the mid-range shot, but he also has an excellent post game.

I agree, but the main thing with him would be to hit shots and get some boards...but again he would be the lead center in my little "Center by Committee" idea

[Rondoholic]

Now that KG is signed sealed and delivered, we need Ray's spot shooting again, don't let this guy head to the Miami cHeat. Do not go after OJ Mayo...he is not the answer, a guy that hogs the ball, thinks hes a point guard, and can't create his own shot. If he came to blows to Tony Allen then I can only imagine how he'll handle KG.

What people don't seem to realize with Mayo is just how much his versatility would help the C's. He is in no way comparable to Ray as a shooter but Ray is an average-at-best ball handler for a guard. Mayo has handle. This would give them flexibility when Rondo is off the court -- it takes a lot of the ball-handling responsibilities off of Bradley and allows him to be effective on all his cuts. Plus, Mayo has a little more height so he can guard 1s and 2s, maybe not that effectively but still. Wouldn't mind having him. Keep in mind that he averaged 18.5 ppg as a rookie shooting 44% from field, 39% from 3, 88% from the line. The potential is still there I believe.

The problem is, and I respect your opinion, that Mayo still at the end of the day has nothing between the ears. You would think during his time in Memphis, Tony Allen would have gotten through to him (He did beat humility into him but that's a different issue), hes a guy who has very questionable judgement. Ray isn't a normal player in his late 30's, he keeps himself in supreme shape, and usually a jumper is one of the last things to go for a player. Again, Bradley will be taking a lot of his minutes as a crunch time defensive stopper...but ask yourself this, Rondo is in foul trouble with 10 minutes left in the game, would you trust OJ Mayo to run the point? I'm throwing this out there because Mayo is making it clear to teams from what I read that he wants to run the point, not be a 2

I'm sorry...I watched this guy in college and the pro's, I see flashes of his "greatness" but he isn't a fit here

I know what you're saying but at some point they have to take some risks on youth. I just it just comes down to how much Mayo costs I suppose. I would much rather they somehow land Josh Smith

First choice for their roster this season:
KG, Vet, Stiemmsma, Melo
Smith, Sullinger, JJJ
Pierce, Green
Bradley, Ray, Pietrus
Rondo, Dooling

Second choice:
KG, Vet, Stiemmsma, Melo
Bass, Sullinger, JJJ
Pierce, Green
Bradley, Mayo, Pietrus
Rondo, Dooling

The good news is that Miami only has the LLE ($3M) to offer Ray and he would still coming off the bench there, so if he wants to play for a competitor (PHX and teams like this will overbid), the C's shouldn't have to throw too much money at him.

[cman88]

lets not forget too that with KG back, I dont know Ray's mindset but he might be feeling abit "disloyal" if he bolts Pierce, KG to go play for Miami (its basically saying "F u guys im gonna go for a easier chance)

Ray is still the best 3 point shooter in the NBA and isnt afraid to take or Make big shots...I want him coming off the bench and playing the 2 in crunch time