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Blazers do not extend QO to J.J. Hickson
« on: June 29, 2012, 10:46:17 PM »

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http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2012/06/trail_blazers_will_not_extend_qualifying_offer_to.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Was only a $4.4 million QO, but the Blazers elect not to extend it. Instead, they shed the cap hold ($5.9 mil) Hickson would have posed.
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 10:47:28 PM »

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Hickson was terrific at the end of the season for them. I wouldn't be surprised if someone vastly overpayed for him.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 11:10:31 PM »

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Correct decision.

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 11:17:10 PM »

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Even if we have a PF logjam I want him if he comes with the right price.

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 11:20:03 PM »

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I like Hickson wanted him since a couple years back. Get em Danny!
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I'd be on board if we had missed on both Sullinger and White.

I expect Sullinger to be as good as Hickson next season, if not better, and more mature.

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 11:30:28 PM »

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Hickson was terrific at the end of the season for them.

Did Hickson play that well for Portland? My impression of him was that he was getting a lot of minutes in blowout losses and padding his stats both (1) in weak Blazers lineups, and, (2) in blowouts, when the games were already out of hand.

The more Hickson seemed to play, the more Portland seemed to lose.

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 11:33:19 PM »

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Hickson was terrific at the end of the season for them.

Did Hickson play that well for Portland? My impression of him was that he was getting a lot of minutes in blowout losses and padding his stats both (1) in weak Blazers lineups, and, (2) when the games were already out of hand.

The more Hickson seemed to play, the more Portland seemed to lose.

Hickson, who played 19 games with the Blazers after he was claimed off waivers from Sacramento, averaged 15.1 points and 8.3 rebounds in 32 minutes a game for Portland. -Taken from the Article.

But saying JJ padded his stats is a ridiculous statement given the fact that Portland was tanking after giving away Gerald Wallace and Roy retired.

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 11:35:04 PM »

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Hickson was terrific at the end of the season for them.

Did Hickson play that well for Portland? My impression of him was that he was getting a lot of minutes in blowout losses and padding his stats both (1) in weak Blazers lineups, and, (2) when the games were already out of hand.

The more Hickson seemed to play, the more Portland seemed to lose.

I think all are true, but 15 and 8, shooting 54%, over 31 minutes is something an agent should be able to transfer into a sizable contract somewhere. If I remember correctly, Aldridge was out of the lineup at this point and they had already traded Camby and Wallace. So naturally (1) is satisfied because the rest of the team is pretty limited, and therefore (2) happened because they were terrible at the end of the year. Truth be told, I didn't watch too much Hickson (for obvious reasons - it was ugly) at the end of the year. I'm just going off stats and saying some team is going to see that, get excited and overpay.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 11:35:18 PM »

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Hickson was terrific at the end of the season for them.

Did Hickson play that well for Portland? My impression of him was that he was getting a lot of minutes in blowout losses and padding his stats both (1) in weak Blazers lineups, and, (2) when the games were already out of hand.

The more Hickson seemed to play, the more Portland seemed to lose.

The team had imploded by that point. I think Aldridge was even shut down by then. Hickson was playing center, IIRC.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 11:38:49 PM »

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Hickson was terrific at the end of the season for them.

Did Hickson play that well for Portland? My impression of him was that he was getting a lot of minutes in blowout losses and padding his stats both (1) in weak Blazers lineups, and, (2) when the games were already out of hand.

The more Hickson seemed to play, the more Portland seemed to lose.

Hickson, who played 19 games with the Blazers after he was claimed off waivers from Sacramento, averaged 15.1 points and 8.3 rebounds in 32 minutes a game for Portland. -Taken from the Article.

But saying JJ padded his stats is a ridiculous statement given the fact that Portland was tanking after giving away Gerald Wallace and Roy retired.
Exactly -- they were playing these lousy lineups with the likes of Jonny Flynn, Elliot Williams, Nolan Smith, Luke Babbitt, Hasheem Thabeet. Even their better players weren't up to much (Joel Przybilla, Raymond Felton, Kurt Thomas). They were just giving guys a run-out and seeing what they had to offer and getting their butts handed to them on a regular basis.

Hickson's production wasn't coming in tight competitive games against quality competition. They were meaningless minutes. Big blowout losses. No pressure environment. Just run up and do whatever you want because nothing matters. Lose-lose-lose-lose.

Not a good indication of what Hickson can offer on a quality team.

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But saying JJ padded his stats is a ridiculous statement given the fact that Portland was tanking after giving away Gerald Wallace and Roy retired.

To echo what the switch said, JJ Hickson has looked at his best when he is allowed to play in games that don't matter, with as much leash as humanly possible, and playing center.

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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 11:40:58 PM »

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Man, going through some of the most popular lineups for Hickson last year in Portland. Lots of combinations of Flynn, Nolan Smith and Crawford in the backcourt, Matthews at the 3, Babbitt at the 4 and Hickson at the 5. Ouch.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 11:42:13 PM »

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JJ Hickson = Chris Wilcox

No need to pay a premium for youth. Just keep the guy we got.

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 11:48:46 PM »

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Hickson was terrific at the end of the season for them.

Did Hickson play that well for Portland? My impression of him was that he was getting a lot of minutes in blowout losses and padding his stats both (1) in weak Blazers lineups, and, (2) when the games were already out of hand.

The more Hickson seemed to play, the more Portland seemed to lose.

Hickson, who played 19 games with the Blazers after he was claimed off waivers from Sacramento, averaged 15.1 points and 8.3 rebounds in 32 minutes a game for Portland. -Taken from the Article.

But saying JJ padded his stats is a ridiculous statement given the fact that Portland was tanking after giving away Gerald Wallace and Roy retired.
Exactly -- they were playing these lousy lineups with the likes of Jonny Flynn, Elliot Williams, Nolan Smith, Luke Babbitt, Hasheem Thabeet. Even their better players weren't up to much (Joel Przybilla, Raymond Felton, Kurt Thomas). They were just giving guys a run-out and seeing what they had to offer and getting their butts handed to them on a regular basis.

Hickson's production wasn't coming in tight competitive games against quality competition. They were meaningless minutes. Big blowout losses. No pressure environment. Just run up and do whatever you want because nothing matters. Lose-lose-lose-lose.

Not a good indication of what Hickson can offer on a quality team.

I agree completely with your analysis. Anything in the range of 3 million I would consider. I don't like him enough to overpay for talents comparable if not less than Bass.

Some more stats though are can be found at: http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3437/jj-hickson

For example in 10-11 at Clevland he averaged for 80 games /66 started for 28 minutes 14 points and 9 rebounds. Hell he played for bad teams for the most part. If he would do better on a better team is a matter of opinion and chance. Again I wouldn't overpay for his services even though I do like him.