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Forget PJ3, Why not Moultrie?
« on: June 29, 2012, 08:44:37 AM »

Offline cltc5

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Lost in the clamoring for Jones and disdain for Melo is the conversation about Why Moultrie wasn't taken.  I thought He woulda fit in perfectly as a pretty athletic big.  Am I missing something as to why his stock fell and he eventeually got traded to the Sixers?  All his vids he looked smooth.  Thx.

Re: Forget PJ3, Why not Moultrie?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 09:51:56 AM »

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Re: Forget PJ3, Why not Moultrie?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 09:54:35 AM »

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Yeah, Moultrie would have been a safer pick.  Although I have never been sold on him.  I have only seen a little of him...and the problem is, when I watched his team, I barely saw him.  He puts up nice stats, but was pretty invisible when I watched him.  Considering he is supposed to be an energy guy, that was not a good sign IMO. 

Re: Forget PJ3, Why not Moultrie?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 10:02:42 AM »

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I thought Boston would go with two front line players.  Here is how they fell:

15. Harkless
16. White
17. Zeller
18. T. Jones
19. Nicholson

21. Sullinger
22. Melo

27. Moultrie
28. P Jones



I think White or Nicholson might have been taken if they were available.  If Zeller fell far enough, of course Boston gets him.  Moultir was rumored to go as high as 15 to Philly.  They were able to get him afterall, in a trade with Miami. That leads me to believe that no one really wanted Moultrie.  Philly obviously did like him, but in the end went with Harkless.  Once Moultrie fell that far, they decided to jump in and grab him.

So Danny really had 2 spots to choose out of 4 guys.  If he goes Jones and Sullinger, he gets the most talent but the most risk.  Moulrie might have been the safest pick, but Boston must feel he either cant play the 5 or he just wasnt as good as advertised (maybe why he fell).  If they did go Jones and Sully, they must have still wanted a center.  So then they have to trade to get a 3rd pick in the 25-35 range and hope Melo or Ezeli are still there, or they have to roll the dice with a Henry Sims, Robert Sacre, or Kyle Oquinn with the 51st pick.  I guess they liked the combo of Melo/Joseph better than the combo of Jones/2nd round center.

I really would have loved for them to take the risk on both Sully and jones.  I guess Im glad they at least tries one.  Not sure about Moultrie.  Surely Houston or Atlanta or Memphis would have grabbed him if he was that good.  

Re: Forget PJ3, Why not Moultrie?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 10:06:48 AM »

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I was hoping Danny would take Moultrie , after Houston ROBBED us of White  ::).

I 'm warming up to taking Sully  :-X.  But I had White, HarKless, and Moultrie ahead of him on my want list. Just hope Sully works out and can help sooner than JJJ has .

I think Danny was gonna take Melo period with a pic if he was there . If not he'd taken another 7ft Center. That is just that, Danny wasn't drafting two PF's when our 5 postion is so weak without KG there.

Physically he seemed to be a great fit and has a game attitude.

I maybe wrong...but I'm guessing there is something the GM's didn't like about his personality , or such.... He seemed to have the same skills of Royce White .  

Apparently the scouts , were not high on him as some of us were, and maybe his interviews or lack of hurt him.  He seems a bit INDEPENDENT minded is the worst thing I can come up with , and this isn't tollerated much on teams like the Celtics, Spurs, Rockets, MAvs , that have strong TEAM values.

I wanted Melo or Ezile or some center regrardless .... of who we got as PF .
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Re: Forget PJ3, Why not Moultrie?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 10:09:52 AM »

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Moultrie is the safer pick but Sully has te bigger upside. I think Danny is swinging or the fences instead of getting base hits here.
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Re: Forget PJ3, Why not Moultrie?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 10:18:32 AM »

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Moultrie is the safer pick but Sully has te bigger upside. I think Danny is swinging or the fences instead of getting base hits here.

Yes -- I think this is the best analogy.   DA did not make safe picks, but he has got to believe that both these guys can both be good players and/or good assets moving forward.  Note that all they need to do in order to be assets is for Sullnger to have a solid start to his NBA career and for Melo to make steady progress.  In 2013 or 2014, either or both can be pieces in a KG type package.
 

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 10:19:04 AM »

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Moultrie was my binky in this draft.  I can understand picking Sully to a degree but Moultrie at that point was not a gamble -- unlike Melo

Re: Forget PJ3, Why not Moultrie?
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 10:20:20 AM »

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moultire has bad character. Anyone who saw DX review on his profile saw him sulking and giving up on the play when he didn't get the ball down low. Help defence is mediocre.

Sure he is skilled and has height, but his character was the #1 concern. Also anyone recall him stated he will be picked by 17 ??

He has to learn how to be a better teammate and humble.

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 10:40:30 AM »

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Danny obviously sees something in Melo that not too many other people see.

I can't find a single mock draft that had (a) Melo going by 22, or (b) Melo going before Moultrie.

The thing that troubles me here is that Danny's good draft record is based mostly on taking guys who slipped for one reason or another.

The one exception to that is Giddens. The Melo pick feels a lot like that to me.

I would have gone with Moultrie, Jones, Miller, Wroten or Teague before Melo.

But, we will see. Danny probably knows more about hoops than everyone on this board put together, so I'm not going to freak out about it.

And I love the Sullinger pick.

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 10:46:55 AM »

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Both of these players are projects like Melo.

I would rather have a 20 year old 7 foot 255 project than a 6 10 cannot shoot, has no offensive moves project the PJIII

Do not get enamored by the hype.  All the players the Celtics could of drafted had major issues, they decided to take the biggest one to help out with rebounding and defense.

Also Neither of those players can be a center in the NBA, which would make KG the Celtics center. 

Really guys Both Jarred Sullinger and Fab Melo are no brainers at 21 and 22.

Re: Forget PJ3, Why not Moultrie?
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 02:35:33 PM »

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Moultrie apparently hurt his stock at the combine as he was one of the worst interviews. He refused to work out at the combine because they were putting him with the centers - shows an aversion to getting down low and doing what most teams would want these days from a 6'11" athlete. And like people said, he's a guy who passes the eye test and had numbers but never really stuck out.

Now, I was hoping for Moultrie, too, because I want that big athlete that can run the floor with Rondo. Celtics haven't had a big man to run the floor in a while. Perk, Davis, Bass, Stiemsma, Jermaine when healthy, Shaq, Sheed, even post-injury Garnett, all of them are/were really below the rim players. I wanted somebody who can sky. Hopefully Melo can have enough athleticism to at least run the floor and catch some alley oops. Lord knows Sullinger doesn't.

But what does it say about the team philosophy? Everybody and their mother is talking about how the entire league is heading toward athleticism, you have to have a team of athletes to compete in this NBA. Look at Lebron, Wade, Durant, Westbrook, Rose, Howard, Griffin - that's the future. Well, maybe Ainge is just doubling down saying "no, we're sticking with a traditional style and we think basketball players can beat athletes in a basketball game." Don't know if it'll work but the fact that the guys you always saw linked to the Celtics - Sullinger, White, Nicholson, Melo, Rivers - were really basketball skill guys (except Melo, who is still about traditional size and shotblocking ability as opposed to athleticism) not athletes. Looks like Danny isn't buying into the idea that to succeed now, you absolutely have to be all about athleticism. We'll see if it works.

We're gonna slap Jared Sullinger on the block and make you commit your post presence to defending him. We're gonna have Garnett or Melo on the floor to keep you from getting to the basket. Melo may not be a polished player by any stretch but he already has two things that have known basketball value - shotblocking ability and size. A great athlete doesn't necessarily cause you any problems if he doesn't know what he's doing (maybe why Moultrie dropped). But an incredibly big player can cause problems even if he doesn't have skill (see Perk). Sullinger is a terrible athlete but he has basketball skill. He can play basketball. And that's still the game.

Will they work out? Don't know. Are they gonna run teams off the floor? No. But is there a logical strategy there? From what I can see, absolutely. And it might be the smarter strategy than just throwing a bunch of athletes who don't know how to play basketball aat Lebron and Durant. People get caught up in the idea that the game is going to be ALL about athleticism because Lebron, Durant, Westbrook and Wade have terrific athleticism. But it's the fact that they can also play basketball that makes them such weapons. I'd rather have basketball players who aren't elite athletes than super athletes who don't know how to take advantage of that on a basketball court.
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