Those Standing In Pre-mature Judgment Beware......

[lightspeed5]

While a lot of us were wrong about Bradley and Danny proved himself completely right about that I would point out Danny isn't exactly infallible in drafting.  He has definitely shown us to wait a year so Fab and Sully need a year (and perfectly timed injuries perhaps?) before we can say anything, but I would point out last year.

JJJ

Here's some guys we could have had instead

Marshon Brooks...but hey....We get a 2014 second rounder!
Kyle SIngler
Chandler Parsons
Jeremy Tyler
Isaiah Thomas

and not a draft pick but he also lost out on this great point guard guy from Harvard.  So yes I'll wait, but I'm not giving him an A plus just yet just cause he made some picks

marshon brooks is a ball chucker and starts for the nets. kyle singler isnt even in the NBA anymore and plays for real madrid.
whats your point?

[Celtics18]

While a lot of us were wrong about Bradley and Danny proved himself completely right about that I would point out Danny isn't exactly infallible in drafting.  He has definitely shown us to wait a year so Fab and Sully need a year (and perfectly timed injuries perhaps?) before we can say anything, but I would point out last year.

JJJ

Here's some guys we could have had instead

Marshon Brooks...but hey....We get a 2014 second rounder!
Kyle SIngler
Chandler Parsons
Jeremy Tyler
Isaiah Thomas

and not a draft pick but he also lost out on this great point guard guy from Harvard.  So yes I'll wait, but I'm not giving him an A plus just yet just cause he made some picks

I think Incomplete is probably the best grade that can be given so far.  That goes for us optimists as well as all the glass half emptiers out there.  

I do know that I'm very excited to see these three guys start playing as Boston Celtics.  I'm sure that my enthusiasm at some point will get mistaken for me claiming that they are the next Pierce,
Barkley, and Olajuwon.  

I'll live with that.  It won't temper my excitement.

[theswitch]

While a lot of us were wrong about Bradley and Danny proved himself completely right about that I would point out Danny isn't exactly infallible in drafting.  He has definitely shown us to wait a year so Fab and Sully need a year (and perfectly timed injuries perhaps?) before we can say anything, but I would point out last year.

JJJ

Here's some guys we could have had instead

Marshon Brooks...but hey....We get a 2014 second rounder!
Kyle SIngler
Chandler Parsons
Jeremy Tyler
Isaiah Thomas

and not a draft pick but he also lost out on this great point guard guy from Harvard.  So yes I'll wait, but I'm not giving him an A plus just yet just cause he made some picks

marshon brooks is a ball chucker and starts for the nets. kyle singler isnt even in the NBA anymore and plays for real madrid.
whats your point?

I think it's a reasonable point. Singler contributed on a championship team in Spain. Brooks is clearly talented. Parsons is probably the best of this group. Thomas is a talented kid as well. I'm not as high on Tyler as a pick.

It's way too early to tell, though before any of these guys (including Thomas and Brooks) have played meaningful minutes on a playoff team. I'd probably argue for JJJ over any other than Parsons.

[Eja117]

While a lot of us were wrong about Bradley and Danny proved himself completely right about that I would point out Danny isn't exactly infallible in drafting.  He has definitely shown us to wait a year so Fab and Sully need a year (and perfectly timed injuries perhaps?) before we can say anything, but I would point out last year.

JJJ

Here's some guys we could have had instead

Marshon Brooks...but hey....We get a 2014 second rounder!
Kyle SIngler
Chandler Parsons
Jeremy Tyler
Isaiah Thomas

and not a draft pick but he also lost out on this great point guard guy from Harvard.  So yes I'll wait, but I'm not giving him an A plus just yet just cause he made some picks

marshon brooks is a ball chucker and starts for the nets. kyle singler isnt even in the NBA anymore and plays for real madrid.
whats your point?

Singler played very well in Europe this year and probably wouldn't have gone if he had been a first rounder. Three of these guys were 2nd team all-nba rookies and might have actually helped the team this year. That's my point.  Now we have Sullinger anyway. We could have had great rotational swing men or a great backup point. Instead we got a guy who didn't play last year and wasn't ready to help much.
Granted it's hard to know when Doc doesn't play young guys until he has to

[Celtics18]

While a lot of us were wrong about Bradley and Danny proved himself completely right about that I would point out Danny isn't exactly infallible in drafting.  He has definitely shown us to wait a year so Fab and Sully need a year (and perfectly timed injuries perhaps?) before we can say anything, but I would point out last year.

JJJ

Here's some guys we could have had instead

Marshon Brooks...but hey....We get a 2014 second rounder!
Kyle SIngler
Chandler Parsons
Jeremy Tyler
Isaiah Thomas

and not a draft pick but he also lost out on this great point guard guy from Harvard.  So yes I'll wait, but I'm not giving him an A plus just yet just cause he made some picks

marshon brooks is a ball chucker and starts for the nets. kyle singler isnt even in the NBA anymore and plays for real madrid.
whats your point?

Singler played very well in Europe this year and probably wouldn't have gone if he had been a first rounder. Three of these guys were 2nd team all-nba rookies and might have actually helped the team this year. That's my point.  Now we have Sullinger anyway. We could have had great rotational swing men or a great backup point. Instead we got a guy who didn't play last year and wasn't ready to help much.
Granted it's hard to know when Doc doesn't play young guys until he has to

Those guys all played for teams that were in development mode, while the Boston Celtics were in championship contention mode.  There's a big difference.  I bet you JaJuan would have gotten minutes on the 2006-2007 Celtics if he were a rookie on that squad. 

[Eja117]

While a lot of us were wrong about Bradley and Danny proved himself completely right about that I would point out Danny isn't exactly infallible in drafting.  He has definitely shown us to wait a year so Fab and Sully need a year (and perfectly timed injuries perhaps?) before we can say anything, but I would point out last year.

JJJ

Here's some guys we could have had instead

Marshon Brooks...but hey....We get a 2014 second rounder!
Kyle SIngler
Chandler Parsons
Jeremy Tyler
Isaiah Thomas

and not a draft pick but he also lost out on this great point guard guy from Harvard.  So yes I'll wait, but I'm not giving him an A plus just yet just cause he made some picks

marshon brooks is a ball chucker and starts for the nets. kyle singler isnt even in the NBA anymore and plays for real madrid.
whats your point?

Singler played very well in Europe this year and probably wouldn't have gone if he had been a first rounder. Three of these guys were 2nd team all-nba rookies and might have actually helped the team this year. That's my point.  Now we have Sullinger anyway. We could have had great rotational swing men or a great backup point. Instead we got a guy who didn't play last year and wasn't ready to help much.
Granted it's hard to know when Doc doesn't play young guys until he has to

Those guys all played for teams that were in development mode, while the Boston Celtics were in championship contention mode.  There's a big difference.  I bet you JaJuan would have gotten minutes on the 2006-2007 Celtics if he were a rookie on that squad. 

I'm not buying that there were zero rookies in the draft that could have helped us or that JJJ was the best prospect when we picked. We desperately needed help this year and he didn't give it to us. So the worst you can say is these other guys would have done the same thing. Basically these guys showed something over a long period of time and he didn't. I think he might be good but there is no reason to think he's better or will be better than these guys. The Heat just won the championship and Norris Cole played. The Spurs are pretty good and Kwahi Leonard made first team rookie I think.
That's the other thing. We might have tried trading up 3 whole spots to get Kenneth Faired, but that didn't happen either

[csfansince60s]

While a lot of us were wrong about Bradley and Danny proved himself completely right about that I would point out Danny isn't exactly infallible in drafting.  He has definitely shown us to wait a year so Fab and Sully need a year (and perfectly timed injuries perhaps?) before we can say anything, but I would point out last year.

JJJ

Here's some guys we could have had instead

Marshon Brooks...but hey....We get a 2014 second rounder!
Kyle SIngler
Chandler Parsons
Jeremy Tyler
Isaiah Thomas

and not a draft pick but he also lost out on this great point guard guy from Harvard.  So yes I'll wait, but I'm not giving him an A plus just yet just cause he made some picks

I think Incomplete is probably the best grade that can be given so far.  That goes for us optimists as well as all the glass half emptiers out there.  

I do know that I'm very excited to see these three guys start playing as Boston Celtics.  I'm sure that my enthusiasm at some point will get mistaken for me claiming that they are the next Pierce,
Barkley, and Olajuwon.  

I'll live with that.  It won't temper my excitement.

+1....well said..my sentiments exactly.......I greatly looked forward to the draft, and now to see our new rooks play in summer league and beyond....great stuff, hope...hope usually brings excitement...I'm even excited about Kris Joseph...sad, Huh?

[CoachBo]

While a lot of us were wrong about Bradley and Danny proved himself completely right about that I would point out Danny isn't exactly infallible in drafting.  He has definitely shown us to wait a year so Fab and Sully need a year (and perfectly timed injuries perhaps?) before we can say anything, but I would point out last year.

JJJ

Here's some guys we could have had instead

Marshon Brooks...but hey....We get a 2014 second rounder!
Kyle SIngler
Chandler Parsons
Jeremy Tyler
Isaiah Thomas

and not a draft pick but he also lost out on this great point guard guy from Harvard.  So yes I'll wait, but I'm not giving him an A plus just yet just cause he made some picks

Twenty excellent games is an incomplete sample on Bradley, more so with two surgically repaired shoulders. While I'll admit he played very well, the sample size is not remotely long enough to warrant some of the hyperbole on this board. Should Bradley turn in 82 next year like the last 20, I'm on board.

Not a moment sooner. Too many question marks, from the injuries to his shooting.

[Eja117]

It occurred to me I want to make something slightly more clear. I'm not saying for one second that I'm down on JJJ or Bradley. I'm also not saying that I think these other guys I mentioned are definitely better in the long term.

One of the worst things I would say about JJJ at this time is if you were the Rockets or the Nets or these other teams there is absolutely no way you feel like maybe you should have drafted JJJ over those guys.

What I am saying though is I think for the last two years we should have been in win now mode and should have drafted guys that would have been prepared to help win titles immediately. I think those other guys might have helped more.

It would be more a more successful draft to draft an ok guy that was the difference in a title than a very good guy that never helped win one. That's what I'm trying to say. I really really hope Sully and Fab are immediate contributors to a title. If we get to the finals and lose and they don't play, but other guys picked after them have good years, unless those guys lead us to a title down the road, pretty much no matter what happens I'd say it was a bad draft.

See what I mean?

[cman88]

I dont know why everyone is soo surprised that Avery Bradley can shoot...his mid-range game was a big part of his game in college

its no surprise to me that once he became more comfortable and confident, he began hitting his shots.

anyways, if Marshon Brooks was on the celtics he wouldnt have gotten the playing time/liberty he did with the Nets...he likely wouldve been sitting on the bench..

I would say that right now our Purduo's grades are imcomplete...I need to see more of them before I can make a judgement.

half of those board claimed Bradley was a bust last year and now he's penciled in as the starter next year

[Eja117]

i don't know if Marshon could have beat out Pietrus, but I definitely think he could have defended D Wade better than Ray.

[thirstyboots18]

It occurred to me I want to make something slightly more clear. I'm not saying for one second that I'm down on JJJ or Bradley. I'm also not saying that I think these other guys I mentioned are definitely better in the long term.

One of the worst things I would say about JJJ at this time is if you were the Rockets or the Nets or these other teams there is absolutely no way you feel like maybe you should have drafted JJJ over those guys.

What I am saying though is I think for the last two years we should have been in win now mode and should have drafted guys that would have been prepared to help win titles immediately. I think those other guys might have helped more.

It would be more a more successful draft to draft an ok guy that was then difference in a title than a very good guy that never helped win one. That's what I'm trying to say. I really really hope Sully and Fab are immediate contributors to a title. If we get to the finals and lose and they don't play, but other guys picked after them have good years, unless those guys lead us to a title down the road, pretty much no matter what happens I'd say it was a bad draft.

See what I mean?

I'm sorry, I don't uderstand how you draft to "win now".  Young and no experience is just that, and is not what you "win now" with.  Even the great Michael Jordan (drafted in 84 (?) didn't sniff a title until 91...then won 6.  How did that "young and ready" work for Lebron? KG and PP played for years and played well, but in vain, before they found the right fit.   You generally  have to pay your dues against the best before you can win a title.  Just my opinion...

[AshyLarry]

Mehhh Avery Bradley is horrible mehhhh he can't even defend 3's mehhh his posture isn't that great mehh Fab Melo likes soccer and was a bad student mehhh Andy Katz couldn't even read Sullinger's prognosis right mehhh we should have drafted Perry Jones who was trying to scalp draft tickets mehhhhh.

This is how people sound, not even on celticsblog.

There are too many variables with rookies to even have a solid viewpoint. For all we know, Anthony Davis might turn into Joe Smith, or worse Greg Oden. Danny Manning, even.

[snowball]

of Melo and Sullinger
AT LEAST ONE
will be a Celtic BEAST

maybe both

[Celtics18]

While a lot of us were wrong about Bradley and Danny proved himself completely right about that I would point out Danny isn't exactly infallible in drafting.  He has definitely shown us to wait a year so Fab and Sully need a year (and perfectly timed injuries perhaps?) before we can say anything, but I would point out last year.

JJJ

Here's some guys we could have had instead

Marshon Brooks...but hey....We get a 2014 second rounder!
Kyle SIngler
Chandler Parsons
Jeremy Tyler
Isaiah Thomas

and not a draft pick but he also lost out on this great point guard guy from Harvard.  So yes I'll wait, but I'm not giving him an A plus just yet just cause he made some picks

marshon brooks is a ball chucker and starts for the nets. kyle singler isnt even in the NBA anymore and plays for real madrid.
whats your point?

Singler played very well in Europe this year and probably wouldn't have gone if he had been a first rounder. Three of these guys were 2nd team all-nba rookies and might have actually helped the team this year. That's my point.  Now we have Sullinger anyway. We could have had great rotational swing men or a great backup point. Instead we got a guy who didn't play last year and wasn't ready to help much.
Granted it's hard to know when Doc doesn't play young guys until he has to

Those guys all played for teams that were in development mode, while the Boston Celtics were in championship contention mode.  There's a big difference.  I bet you JaJuan would have gotten minutes on the 2006-2007 Celtics if he were a rookie on that squad. 

I'm not buying that there were zero rookies in the draft that could have helped us or that JJJ was the best prospect when we picked. We desperately needed help this year and he didn't give it to us. So the worst you can say is these other guys would have done the same thing. Basically these guys showed something over a long period of time and he didn't. I think he might be good but there is no reason to think he's better or will be better than these guys. The Heat just won the championship and Norris Cole played. The Spurs are pretty good and Kwahi Leonard made first team rookie I think.
That's the other thing. We might have tried trading up 3 whole spots to get Kenneth Faired, but that didn't happen either

I do have reason to believe that JaJuan Johnson will be a very good NBA player.  They are the same reasons that made him the guy that I was hoping Danny would take on draft night.  He is an exceptional athlete for a guy his size, and he has some good skills in the post and as a jump shooter.

He didn't get a chance to show a lot of those skills last year.  He unquestionably needs to get stronger, but if he does, hopefully, he'll get more of a chance this year.  

Sure, Norris Cole made a few contributions for the Heat, but so did Greg Stiemsma for the Celtics.  So, if you are down on Danny for drafting JaJuan, you've at least got to be high on him for inviting the undrafted rookie to camp, and to Doc and Danny for being smart enough to keep him.