D Howard to Houston (rumor)

[Fafnir]

#8 is way too much value for him but consensus is that the value is OK although it's a robbery. That's why i scream he is overrated.

Was Battier for Gay robbery?

Lets look at the other #8 picks: Knight, Aminu, Hill, Brandan Wright, Frye, and Araujo.

For all the tantalizing talent that a mid lottery pick can bring the pure bust potential can't be overlooked.

[Moranis]

Houston isn't getting Howard for just 5 and 8, I think the trade would be something like this 5, 8, Martin, Dalembert, and Scola for Howard and Turk.

[jgod213]

Houston isn't getting Howard for just 5 and 8, I think the trade would be something like this 5, 8, Martin, Dalembert, and Scola for Howard and Turk.

So, in this scenario, Houston is left with Turk/Dragic/Parsons/Chandler/Lee to go with Howard? That's actually a pretty decent starting point but not sure Howard would like the look of that.

[Fafnir]

Houston isn't getting Howard for just 5 and 8, I think the trade would be something like this 5, 8, Martin, Dalembert, and Scola for Howard and Turk.

So, in this scenario, Houston is left with Turk/Dragic/Parsons/Chandler/Lee to go with Howard? That's actually a pretty decent starting point but not sure Howard would like the look of that.

I think Houston would likely take that risk though, they are always thrown out there as the team willing to go for broke for the elite talent guys.

[BballTim]

Why is it crazy to move Lowry for Lamb?

Battier was traded for Rudy Gay (8th pick). That move worked out nicely for both teams.

I like Battier a lot but you think he's as good as Lowry?  Lowry just had a major break out season, he could be a special player.

  Lowry put up the same numbers Dragic did replacing him, or about the same numbers Ramon Sessions put up.

[LarBrd33]

You folks who are saying that two top 10 picks isn't enough for Howard and that the Magic have "already received better offers" are missing a key detail.  Dwight Howard has one year remaining on his contract and supposedly only wants to go to Brooklyn.  Presumably, he and his agent will tell any team that tries to trades for him that they refuse to sign an extension. Sure, they may be bluffing, but ANY team that trades for him (excluding Brooklyn) will be basically "renting" Dwight for a single season.  It's a definite gamble.  Houston (according to this rumor concept) is one of the few teams who is willing to trade for Dwight without an assurance on an extension.

I've asked this question before.   What would you, as a Celtic fan, be willing to give up for Dwight knowing there's a high probability he'll bail on you for Brooklyn in a year?  Would you just offer a sign-and-traded Ray Allen?  Would you dare offer them Pierce?  Would you offer them Rondo and two first rounders?  Probably not.  If you had two top 10 picks, would you give them up for a single season of Dwight and the small chance of calling his bluff and getting him to extend?... guess it depends what else you have surrounding him and how close you are to competing this year.  Like, If I was nuts, I'd trade Rondo for Dwight, throw our cap space at Deron Williams and cross my fingers that the situation worked itself out.

[BballTim]

You folks who are saying that two top 10 picks isn't enough for Howard and that the Magic have "already received better offers" are missing a key detail.  Dwight Howard has one year remaining on his contract and supposedly only wants to go to Brooklyn.  Presumably, he and his agent will tell any team that tries to trades for him that they refuse to sign an extension. Sure, they may be bluffing, but ANY team that trades for him (excluding Brooklyn) will be basically "renting" Dwight for a single season.  It's a definite gamble.  Houston (according to this rumor concept) is one of the few teams who is willing to trade for Dwight without an assurance on an extension.

I've asked this question before.   What would you, as a Celtic fan, be willing to give up for Dwight knowing there's a high probability he'll bail on you for Brooklyn in a year?  Would you just offer a sign-and-traded Ray Allen?  Would you dare offer them Pierce?  Would you offer them Rondo and two first rounders?  Probably not.  If you had two top 10 picks, would you give them up for a single season of Dwight and the small chance of calling his bluff and getting him to extend?... guess it depends what else you have surrounding him and how close you are to competing this year.  Like, If I was nuts, I'd trade Rondo for Dwight, throw our cap space at Deron Williams and cross my fingers that the situation worked itself out.

  When did Howard ever say that he'll only go to Brooklyn? I've seen them on his list of preferred destinations, but not as the only choice.

[Moranis]

You folks who are saying that two top 10 picks isn't enough for Howard and that the Magic have "already received better offers" are missing a key detail.  Dwight Howard has one year remaining on his contract and supposedly only wants to go to Brooklyn.  Presumably, he and his agent will tell any team that tries to trades for him that they refuse to sign an extension. Sure, they may be bluffing, but ANY team that trades for him (excluding Brooklyn) will be basically "renting" Dwight for a single season.  It's a definite gamble.  Houston (according to this rumor concept) is one of the few teams who is willing to trade for Dwight without an assurance on an extension.

I've asked this question before.   What would you, as a Celtic fan, be willing to give up for Dwight knowing there's a high probability he'll bail on you for Brooklyn in a year?  Would you just offer a sign-and-traded Ray Allen?  Would you dare offer them Pierce?  Would you offer them Rondo and two first rounders?  Probably not.  If you had two top 10 picks, would you give them up for a single season of Dwight and the small chance of calling his bluff and getting him to extend?... guess it depends what else you have surrounding him and how close you are to competing this year.  Like, If I was nuts, I'd trade Rondo for Dwight, throw our cap space at Deron Williams and cross my fingers that the situation worked itself out.

I'd trade Rondo and both firsts for a one year rental of Howard.  I think that makes the Celtics a clear top two team in the East and if Howard does end up bolting, the C's can just go into full bore rebuilding (and would have a ton of cap space to do it).

I mean sure the C's would be light at PG, but I'm sure they could scrounge up a veteran chasing a ring to fill in, but even without it that would make the Celtics essentially

PG - Bradley, Dooling
SG - Allen, Pietrus
SF - Pierce, Green
PF - Garnett, Bass, Johnson
C - Howard, Stiemer

Certainly a team that could beat Miami and come out of the east.  

[Moranis]

You folks who are saying that two top 10 picks isn't enough for Howard and that the Magic have "already received better offers" are missing a key detail.  Dwight Howard has one year remaining on his contract and supposedly only wants to go to Brooklyn.  Presumably, he and his agent will tell any team that tries to trades for him that they refuse to sign an extension. Sure, they may be bluffing, but ANY team that trades for him (excluding Brooklyn) will be basically "renting" Dwight for a single season.  It's a definite gamble.  Houston (according to this rumor concept) is one of the few teams who is willing to trade for Dwight without an assurance on an extension.

I've asked this question before.   What would you, as a Celtic fan, be willing to give up for Dwight knowing there's a high probability he'll bail on you for Brooklyn in a year?  Would you just offer a sign-and-traded Ray Allen?  Would you dare offer them Pierce?  Would you offer them Rondo and two first rounders?  Probably not.  If you had two top 10 picks, would you give them up for a single season of Dwight and the small chance of calling his bluff and getting him to extend?... guess it depends what else you have surrounding him and how close you are to competing this year.  Like, If I was nuts, I'd trade Rondo for Dwight, throw our cap space at Deron Williams and cross my fingers that the situation worked itself out.

  When did Howard ever say that he'll only go to Brooklyn? I've seen them on his list of preferred destinations, but not as the only choice.

and would he still want to go there if Deron signs with Dallas this summer?  A lot can happen in a season.

[pearljammer10]

Why is it crazy to move Lowry for Lamb?

Battier was traded for Rudy Gay (8th pick). That move worked out nicely for both teams.

I like Battier a lot but you think he's as good as Lowry?  Lowry just had a major break out season, he could be a special player.

Battier was how old when that trade was made?  Lowry's 26.

I wouldnt call Lowry's a break out season when Dragic replaced him as a starter after Lowrys injury and put up silly numbers...

A good offer for Howard depending on the players involved. Bynum isnt going to get traded for howard so this offer would be up there as one of the better ones and allow the Magic to rebuild through the draft.

[Lucky17]

If I'm Toronto, I use the #8 to get Deng, and I amnesty/buyout/trade Calderon to free up enough cap space to sign Steve Nash this summer.

Those two deals would revitalize the fan base, and make the Raps an instant contender for the Atlantic Division title.

[Yogi]

You folks who are saying that two top 10 picks isn't enough for Howard and that the Magic have "already received better offers" are missing a key detail.  Dwight Howard has one year remaining on his contract and supposedly only wants to go to Brooklyn.  Presumably, he and his agent will tell any team that tries to trades for him that they refuse to sign an extension. Sure, they may be bluffing, but ANY team that trades for him (excluding Brooklyn) will be basically "renting" Dwight for a single season.  It's a definite gamble.  Houston (according to this rumor concept) is one of the few teams who is willing to trade for Dwight without an assurance on an extension.

I've asked this question before.   What would you, as a Celtic fan, be willing to give up for Dwight knowing there's a high probability he'll bail on you for Brooklyn in a year?  Would you just offer a sign-and-traded Ray Allen?  Would you dare offer them Pierce?  Would you offer them Rondo and two first rounders?  Probably not.  If you had two top 10 picks, would you give them up for a single season of Dwight and the small chance of calling his bluff and getting him to extend?... guess it depends what else you have surrounding him and how close you are to competing this year.  Like, If I was nuts, I'd trade Rondo for Dwight, throw our cap space at Deron Williams and cross my fingers that the situation worked itself out.

I'd trade Rondo and both firsts for a one year rental of Howard.  I think that makes the Celtics a clear top two team in the East and if Howard does end up bolting, the C's can just go into full bore rebuilding (and would have a ton of cap space to do it).

I mean sure the C's would be light at PG, but I'm sure they could scrounge up a veteran chasing a ring to fill in, but even without it that would make the Celtics essentially

PG - Bradley, Dooling
SG - Allen, Pietrus
SF - Pierce, Green
PF - Garnett, Bass, Johnson
C - Howard, Stiemer

Certainly a team that could beat Miami and come out of the east.  

Hahaha what is this?  a joke?  If Howard leaves we'd be the Bobcats and we'd have a top 3 pick in a draft and Bradley.  Even if Howard doesn't leave we would be worse than Orlando Magic were the last few years.  I love how people want to "rebuild" by getting a top draft pick so they can cross their fingers and hope that they will land someone half as good as Rondo.  Keep Rondo and you'll have one of the best players in the league. 

[LarBrd33]

You folks who are saying that two top 10 picks isn't enough for Howard and that the Magic have "already received better offers" are missing a key detail.  Dwight Howard has one year remaining on his contract and supposedly only wants to go to Brooklyn.  Presumably, he and his agent will tell any team that tries to trades for him that they refuse to sign an extension. Sure, they may be bluffing, but ANY team that trades for him (excluding Brooklyn) will be basically "renting" Dwight for a single season.  It's a definite gamble.  Houston (according to this rumor concept) is one of the few teams who is willing to trade for Dwight without an assurance on an extension.

I've asked this question before.   What would you, as a Celtic fan, be willing to give up for Dwight knowing there's a high probability he'll bail on you for Brooklyn in a year?  Would you just offer a sign-and-traded Ray Allen?  Would you dare offer them Pierce?  Would you offer them Rondo and two first rounders?  Probably not.  If you had two top 10 picks, would you give them up for a single season of Dwight and the small chance of calling his bluff and getting him to extend?... guess it depends what else you have surrounding him and how close you are to competing this year.  Like, If I was nuts, I'd trade Rondo for Dwight, throw our cap space at Deron Williams and cross my fingers that the situation worked itself out.

  When did Howard ever say that he'll only go to Brooklyn? I've seen them on his list of preferred destinations, but not as the only choice.

When did he say he had a list of preferred destinations?  There was some speculation prior to the deadline that he'd also consider playing in Dallas or LA, but supposedly they threatened to trade him to the Lakers at the deadline and he freaked out and opted in for a final year.  He had no interest in playing there (according to reports). Everything I've been reading for months suggest he desperately wants to play in Brooklyn.

From Adrian Wojnarowski last week:  

Howard is signed through the 2012-13 season, but another fallout with management has left him wanting a trade soon. Howard will push for a trade to the Brooklyn Nets before the June 28 NBA draft to clear the way for Nets free agent Deron Williams to re-sign with the Nets and partner in the new Brooklyn arena next season.

Could be wrong.  But if he wants to play in Brooklyn... he'll probably end up in Brooklyn.  That is, unless some team like Houston takes a gamble on renting him without assurance of an extension.  

[Moranis]

You folks who are saying that two top 10 picks isn't enough for Howard and that the Magic have "already received better offers" are missing a key detail.  Dwight Howard has one year remaining on his contract and supposedly only wants to go to Brooklyn.  Presumably, he and his agent will tell any team that tries to trades for him that they refuse to sign an extension. Sure, they may be bluffing, but ANY team that trades for him (excluding Brooklyn) will be basically "renting" Dwight for a single season.  It's a definite gamble.  Houston (according to this rumor concept) is one of the few teams who is willing to trade for Dwight without an assurance on an extension.

I've asked this question before.   What would you, as a Celtic fan, be willing to give up for Dwight knowing there's a high probability he'll bail on you for Brooklyn in a year?  Would you just offer a sign-and-traded Ray Allen?  Would you dare offer them Pierce?  Would you offer them Rondo and two first rounders?  Probably not.  If you had two top 10 picks, would you give them up for a single season of Dwight and the small chance of calling his bluff and getting him to extend?... guess it depends what else you have surrounding him and how close you are to competing this year.  Like, If I was nuts, I'd trade Rondo for Dwight, throw our cap space at Deron Williams and cross my fingers that the situation worked itself out.

  When did Howard ever say that he'll only go to Brooklyn? I've seen them on his list of preferred destinations, but not as the only choice.

When did he say he had a list of preferred destinations?  There was some speculation prior to the deadline that he'd also consider playing in Dallas or LA, but supposedly they threatened to trade him to the Lakers at the deadline and he freaked out and opted in for a final year.  He had no interest in playing there (according to reports). Everything I've been reading for months suggest he desperately wants to play in Brooklyn.

From Adrian Wojnarowski last week:  

Howard is signed through the 2012-13 season, but another fallout with management has left him wanting a trade soon. Howard will push for a trade to the Brooklyn Nets before the June 28 NBA draft to clear the way for Nets free agent Deron Williams to re-sign with the Nets and partner in the new Brooklyn arena next season.

Could be wrong.  But if he wants to play in Brooklyn... he'll probably end up in Brooklyn.  That is, unless some team like Houston takes a gamble on renting him without assurance of an extension.  

but he wants to play in Brooklyn with Deron Williams.  If Williams' isn't in Brooklyn then the draw of playing there is much less.

[BballTim]

You folks who are saying that two top 10 picks isn't enough for Howard and that the Magic have "already received better offers" are missing a key detail.  Dwight Howard has one year remaining on his contract and supposedly only wants to go to Brooklyn.  Presumably, he and his agent will tell any team that tries to trades for him that they refuse to sign an extension. Sure, they may be bluffing, but ANY team that trades for him (excluding Brooklyn) will be basically "renting" Dwight for a single season.  It's a definite gamble.  Houston (according to this rumor concept) is one of the few teams who is willing to trade for Dwight without an assurance on an extension.

I've asked this question before.   What would you, as a Celtic fan, be willing to give up for Dwight knowing there's a high probability he'll bail on you for Brooklyn in a year?  Would you just offer a sign-and-traded Ray Allen?  Would you dare offer them Pierce?  Would you offer them Rondo and two first rounders?  Probably not.  If you had two top 10 picks, would you give them up for a single season of Dwight and the small chance of calling his bluff and getting him to extend?... guess it depends what else you have surrounding him and how close you are to competing this year.  Like, If I was nuts, I'd trade Rondo for Dwight, throw our cap space at Deron Williams and cross my fingers that the situation worked itself out.

  When did Howard ever say that he'll only go to Brooklyn? I've seen them on his list of preferred destinations, but not as the only choice.

When did he say he had a list of preferred destinations?  There was some speculation prior to the deadline that he'd also consider playing in Dallas or LA, but supposedly they threatened to trade him to the Lakers at the deadline and he freaked out and opted in for a final year.  He had no interest in playing there (according to reports). Everything I've been reading for months suggest he desperately wants to play in Brooklyn.

From Adrian Wojnarowski last week:  

Howard is signed through the 2012-13 season, but another fallout with management has left him wanting a trade soon. Howard will push for a trade to the Brooklyn Nets before the June 28 NBA draft to clear the way for Nets free agent Deron Williams to re-sign with the Nets and partner in the new Brooklyn arena next season.

Could be wrong.  But if he wants to play in Brooklyn... he'll probably end up in Brooklyn.  That is, unless some team like Houston takes a gamble on renting him without assurance of an extension.  

  First of all, that quote is no more or less reliable than the speculation that he had a short list. Secondly, even if you believe what you posted, it doesn't say he wants to be in Brooklyn, it says he wants to be in Brooklyn if they re-sign Williams. If Deron goes to the Mavs as a FA I doubt that Howard will be in a rush to sign with the Nets.