D Howard to Houston (rumor)

[CFAN38]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/46492/rockets-set-sights-on-moving-up-in-draft

I could see this happening

basically

Toronto gets Lowry, trades away #8

Sac gets #14 + #16 + young player, trades away # 5

Houston gets #5 + #8, then offers picks plus young players for Howard

Orlando is never going to get a better offer, they can start to rebuild around a core of say A Drummond, A Rivers,and R Anderson (have to resign)

[Snakehead]

Orlando is never going to get a better offer, they can start to rebuild around a core of say A Drummond, A Rivers,and R Anderson (have to resign)

Really?  They have already gotten better offers.  Drummond is too much of a question mark, Austin Rivers should be a quality scorer, but those two are not enough for the best C in the league.

Ryan Anderson is a role player.  A good role player, no question, but he's not a core guy you build around.

The offer of Bynum would be better.  At least you are getting a younger player and the 2nd best C in the league, plus whatever else you get in that trade.

They can do better.


(Didn't even look at all of this... Toronto trades away #8 and gets the very promising Kyle Lowry?  That would be a STEAL.  No way man, no way.  Orlando should get Lowry in this deal too for it to make any sense)

[heitingas]

Toronto is giving up on Lamb with the #8, they said they want a veteran player which Lowry is.

How must Orlando also get Lowry ?

#5 and #8 for someone that'll leave them at the end of the year is a haul IMO, better than Bynum with a bum knee and he'll probably not stay in Orlando too.

Brooklyn will have cap space next year so Orlando would be in the same situation again.

[Snakehead]

Toronto is giving up on Lamb with the #8, they said they want a veteran player which Lowry is.

How must Orlando also get Lowry ?

#5 and #8 for someone that'll leave them at the end of the year is a haul IMO, better than Bynum with a bum knee and he'll probably not stay in Orlando too.

Brooklyn will have cap space next year so Orlando would be in the same situation again.

They have to get more than Andre Drummond and Austin Rivers for the best C in the league and IMO 2nd best player in the NBA.  That is simply not a return on value.

Bynum also doesn't have a bad knee.   Injury history, sure, but we know he can play.  He's the 2nd best C in the league.  Andre Drummond could be a bust.

If they are getting picks back they better be getting seriously like 4 firsts plus some other parts, maybe not all this year.  Orlando isn't getting a decent return on the 2nd best player in the league in your proposed trade.



Point is in this you are giving way too much value to picks.  None of these players are proven yet.  Lowry =/= Lamb ... Lamb has done nothing.  That would be crazy for the two to be exchanged (yes I am aware Houston and Lowry have issues, but Houston can simply do better than that)  In Lowry you're talking about a guy who was putting up Rondo-esque numbers last season (more scoring less but less assists)


Idk if it works out, but you're talking two firsts plus Lowry and another piece?  That is a good trade for Orlando.

[Fafnir]

Why is it crazy to move Lowry for Lamb?

Battier was traded for Rudy Gay (8th pick). That move worked out nicely for both teams.

[Snakehead]

Why is it crazy to move Lowry for Lamb?

Battier was traded for Rudy Gay (8th pick). That move worked out nicely for both teams.

I like Battier a lot but you think he's as good as Lowry?  Lowry just had a major break out season, he could be a special player.

Battier was how old when that trade was made?  Lowry's 26.

[Fafnir]

Why is it crazy to move Lowry for Lamb?

Battier was traded for Rudy Gay (8th pick). That move worked out nicely for both teams.

I like Battier a lot but you think he's as good as Lowry?  Lowry just had a major break out season, he could be a special player.

Battier was how old when that trade was made?  Lowry's 26.

Battier was 28 years old and was an absolute elite role player at that point. Different sort of player than Lowry, but every bit as valuable and as good.

Trading a good (but not great) mid 20s player for a prospect happens all the time. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't, but its not a crazy move.

[clover]

So the Rockets want to gamble everything on Howard happily playing for and then extending with them?

The fellas in Houston must be incredulous there could be anything in Dallas that Howard would want and they don't have.

[jgod213]

Why is it crazy to move Lowry for Lamb?

Battier was traded for Rudy Gay (8th pick). That move worked out nicely for both teams.

I like Battier a lot but you think he's as good as Lowry?  Lowry just had a major break out season, he could be a special player.

Battier was how old when that trade was made?  Lowry's 26.

Battier was 28 years old and was an absolute elite role player at that point. Different sort of player than Lowry, but every bit as valuable and as good.

Trading a good (but not great) mid 20s player for a prospect happens all the time. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't, but its not a crazy move.

Plus there's a pretty good amount of friction in that love-traingle between McHale/Lowry/Dragic right now.  McHale has made it no secret that he's a big Dragic-guy. 

He also doesn't seem to be big on Kevin Martin...i wonder if we could see him involved in some type of deal.  an expiring contract for $12million is a nice little chip to have in your back pocket...

[mqtcelticsfan]

I kind of like the idea. Toronto gets a proven starter for the 8th pick, Orlando gets a chance to reboot rather than watch Dwight float off to another team next year and Houston goes all-in. I just wonder where all these "young players" are coming from.

[henr1k]

If Houston can pull these trades out, it would be steal of the decade. Lowry + 14 +16 + filler for 5 and 8 (Howard)

Lowry is easily one of the most overrated players in the league.

Don't get me wrong, he brings good value for the next two years because of his contract,(2/12M) but overall he is inefficient as hell. He somehow convinced everyone that he is borderline All star despite putting up these numbers on a non-playoff team

32Min  40%FG% 14.3Pts 6.6Ast 4.6Reb

We're talking about giving up a #8 pick, in what is considered a deep draft, for inefficient shoot first point guard.

Those numbers are equivalent of Jerryd Bayless's numbers when adjusted. Bayless is 3 years younger btw

22.7Min 42%FG% 11.4Pts 3.8aST 2.1Reb

If I am Toronto, why not use my cap space to sign Nash or Dragic and keep my pick or use it to bring in a veteran wing.

Dragic last season:

26.5Min 46%FG% 11.7Pts 5.3Ast 2.5Reb

I know it's a small sample, but a starter last 10 games he averaged: 37Min 53%FG% 18.3Pts 8.7Ast

Lets look at some other young point guards in the league:

Ty Lawson 34.8Min 48.8%FG% 16.4Pts 6.6Ast 3.7Reb
Jeff Teague 33Min 47.6%FG% 12.6Pts 4.9Ast 2.4Reb

None of the above couldn't fetch you a high lottery pick this year, although they are more productive than Lowry.

I don't get it, why do people/media fell in love with certain players despite their numbers? Don't tell me that numbers don't show everything. Point guard shooting 40% and dishing 6.6 assists shouldn't bring back a high lottery pick.

If that is true what is Rondo's value? Top 3 pick?

[Fafnir]

Lowry/Bayless aren't as inefficent as you claim because both shoot a lot of 3s and FTAs relative to their FGAs.

Lawson is the most efficient of those guys not because of shooting percentage, but of his low TOs, especially relative to pace.

Lowry gets special love because of his similar offensive value to the other players you name combined with very high level defensive ability.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

^ "Kyle Lowry is one of the most overrated player."

I have no comment on this thread yet, but I wanna see IP's reaction to that statement...

[StartOrien]

Why is it crazy to move Lowry for Lamb?

Battier was traded for Rudy Gay (8th pick). That move worked out nicely for both teams.

I like Battier a lot but you think he's as good as Lowry?  Lowry just had a major break out season, he could be a special player.

Battier was how old when that trade was made?  Lowry's 26.

Lowry's a young, proven commodity. I'm always in favor of making this kind of move, but especially in Toronto's case. They really don't need more prospects.

[henr1k]

^ "Kyle Lowry is one of the most overrated player."

I have no comment on this thread yet, but I wanna see IP's reaction to that statement...

I think he deserves to start in this league, he is a bulldog on the defensive end, runs the floor decently, can create his own shoot and score (although inefficiently), his contract is team friendly for the next two years.

Do I think he is overrated? Absolutely. He lost his starting job twice in his career and acted like a princess both times when the right approach would be to fight for it without speaking against your coach in the media.

#8 is way too much value for him but consensus is that the value is OK although it's a robbery. That's why i scream he is overrated.