could this be a draft trade by danny in the making?

[Lucky17]

Won't happen on draft night, unless it involves Rondo or Pierce.

i dont think danny would be that insane to trade pierce, even if he has green's bird rights. he needs pierce to get kg imo... but then again, he's danny... unpredictable gambler danny  

I think Wyc would make Danny jump through hoops on fire before he'd go along with trading Pierce.

According to Broussard, we already traded Pierce to the Nets at the trade deadline for their top 3 protected pick (ended up 6th), but Pierce stopped it from happening and the Nets traded for Wallace instead.  

Also, one of the first moves Ainge tried to make was trading Paul Pierce to Portland prior to the 2005 draft for an instantly expiring contract and the 3rd pick... which Ainge intended to use on Chris Paul... but Pierce refused to play in Portland.

I think when it comes to Pierce trade ideas, it's definitely not Wyc who would prevent it... it's Paul Pierce.  My guess is that Pierce would rather retire than allow the Celtics to trade him to a situation where he needs to start over.  Maybe there are a couple teams he'd actually play for, though... I haven't heard any rumors to suggest there are.

I've heard that it was the Nets who passed on Pierce and the protected pick, not Paul who blocked it.

[rondohondo]

Won't happen on draft night, unless it involves Rondo or Pierce.

i dont think danny would be that insane to trade pierce, even if he has green's bird rights. he needs pierce to get kg imo... but then again, he's danny... unpredictable gambler danny  

I think Wyc would make Danny jump through hoops on fire before he'd go along with trading Pierce.

According to Broussard, we already traded Pierce to the Nets at the trade deadline for their top 3 protected pick (ended up 6th), but Pierce stopped it from happening and the Nets traded for Wallace instead.  

Also, one of the first moves Ainge tried to make was trading Paul Pierce to Portland prior to the 2005 draft for an instantly expiring contract and the 3rd pick... which Ainge intended to use on Chris Paul... but Pierce refused to play in Portland.

I think when it comes to Pierce trade ideas, it's definitely not Wyc who would prevent it... it's Paul Pierce.  My guess is that Pierce would rather retire than allow the Celtics to trade him to a situation where he needs to start over.  Maybe there are a couple teams he'd actually play for, though... I haven't heard any rumors to suggest there are.

I've heard that it was the Nets who passed on Pierce and the protected pick, not Paul who blocked it.

yea I don't think PP has a no trade clause

[BballTim]

Won't happen on draft night, unless it involves Rondo or Pierce.

i dont think danny would be that insane to trade pierce, even if he has green's bird rights. he needs pierce to get kg imo... but then again, he's danny... unpredictable gambler danny  

I think Wyc would make Danny jump through hoops on fire before he'd go along with trading Pierce.

According to Broussard, we already traded Pierce to the Nets at the trade deadline for their top 3 protected pick (ended up 6th), but Pierce stopped it from happening and the Nets traded for Wallace instead.  

Also, one of the first moves Ainge tried to make was trading Paul Pierce to Portland prior to the 2005 draft for an instantly expiring contract and the 3rd pick... which Ainge intended to use on Chris Paul... but Pierce refused to play in Portland.

I think when it comes to Pierce trade ideas, it's definitely not Wyc who would prevent it... it's Paul Pierce.  My guess is that Pierce would rather retire than allow the Celtics to trade him to a situation where he needs to start over.  Maybe there are a couple teams he'd actually play for, though... I haven't heard any rumors to suggest there are.

I've heard that it was the Nets who passed on Pierce and the protected pick, not Paul who blocked it.

  There are plenty of versions of every trade rumor, each one as unlikely as the next.

[Lucky17]

Won't happen on draft night, unless it involves Rondo or Pierce.

i dont think danny would be that insane to trade pierce, even if he has green's bird rights. he needs pierce to get kg imo... but then again, he's danny... unpredictable gambler danny  

I think Wyc would make Danny jump through hoops on fire before he'd go along with trading Pierce.

According to Broussard, we already traded Pierce to the Nets at the trade deadline for their top 3 protected pick (ended up 6th), but Pierce stopped it from happening and the Nets traded for Wallace instead.  

Also, one of the first moves Ainge tried to make was trading Paul Pierce to Portland prior to the 2005 draft for an instantly expiring contract and the 3rd pick... which Ainge intended to use on Chris Paul... but Pierce refused to play in Portland.

I think when it comes to Pierce trade ideas, it's definitely not Wyc who would prevent it... it's Paul Pierce.  My guess is that Pierce would rather retire than allow the Celtics to trade him to a situation where he needs to start over.  Maybe there are a couple teams he'd actually play for, though... I haven't heard any rumors to suggest there are.

I've heard that it was the Nets who passed on Pierce and the protected pick, not Paul who blocked it.

yea I don't think PP has a no trade clause

Actually, he very well may have one. His contract renewal in 2010 would have made him eligible for that provision to be added to his new contract (players with eight years service in the league and the last four with the same team are eligible for a no-trade clause).

I've never heard direct confirmation one way or the other whether a no-trade clause was added to his newest contract.

[LarBrd33]

Won't happen on draft night, unless it involves Rondo or Pierce.

i dont think danny would be that insane to trade pierce, even if he has green's bird rights. he needs pierce to get kg imo... but then again, he's danny... unpredictable gambler danny 

I think Wyc would make Danny jump through hoops on fire before he'd go along with trading Pierce.

According to Broussard, we already traded Pierce to the Nets at the trade deadline for their top 3 protected pick (ended up 6th), but Pierce stopped it from happening and the Nets traded for Wallace instead. 

Also, one of the first moves Ainge tried to make was trading Paul Pierce to Portland prior to the 2005 draft for an instantly expiring contract and the 3rd pick... which Ainge intended to use on Chris Paul... but Pierce refused to play in Portland.

I think when it comes to Pierce trade ideas, it's definitely not Wyc who would prevent it... it's Paul Pierce.  My guess is that Pierce would rather retire than allow the Celtics to trade him to a situation where he needs to start over.  Maybe there are a couple teams he'd actually play for, though... I haven't heard any rumors to suggest there are.

I've heard that it was the Nets who passed on Pierce and the protected pick, not Paul who blocked it.

yea I don't think PP has a no trade clause

You guys might be right.  It was something I specifically heard Broussard say during one of our playoff games this year and thought it was peculiar, because all the other rumors suggested that the Nets just turned us down.  We also supposedly (according to multiple other sources) offered Pierce to Portland and were turned down... so maybe trading Pierce isn't a problem.  Obviously Wyc is on board.

Btw... whether he has a no trade clause is irrelevant.  We also supposedly were so close to trading Ray to Memphis for OJ Mayo that Ainge actually called Ray to tell him about it.  The issue with that (according to what i've read) is that OJ Mayo didn't want to play in Boston.  Nobody wants to trade for a disgruntled player.  In Paul Pierce's case, I've heard him hint at possible retirement several times this season.  Maybe a no-trade clause is irrelevant.  It might be as simple as Pierce telling a team, "If you trade for me... I'll retire.  I have no interest in playing there"

[ScoobyDoo]

I think there could definitely be something there. But it probably doesn't happen unless KG comes back. If KG comes back, he'll want to play PF (mostly). If he doesn't come back and we aren't going for one more run, no need to bring Dalembert in.


Dalembert
KG  
Pierce
Bradley
Rondo

That would be pretty sick defensively. We'd need to put some real shooters on the bench  

I think we have the pieces to get something done to get the 16th and Dalembert in our two draft picks and possibly Bradley or Jeff Green or Brandon bass on a sign and trade.  
  

[Lucky17]

Btw... whether he has a no trade clause is irrelevant.  We also supposedly were so close to trading Ray to Memphis for OJ Mayo that Ainge actually called Ray to tell him about it.  The issue with that (according to what i've read) is that OJ Mayo didn't want to play in Boston.  Nobody wants to trade for a disgruntled player.  In Paul Pierce's case, I've heard him hint at possible retirement several times this season.  Maybe a no-trade clause is irrelevant.  It might be as simple as Pierce telling a team, "If you trade for me... I'll retire.  I have no interest in playing there"

True. That strategy apparently worked for Brandon Roy, if the rumors about his nearly being traded to Minnesota were accurate.

[cdiraimo]

Why do people think trading our 21 and 22 (worse picks) is going to get us to trade up to 16 (which is possible by itself) and also get us a starting caliber center along with it who is on a great contract?? Houston loses in every way with that deal.. no chance that is going to happen.

[jyyzzoel]

I'm going to have to say that adding Lowry and Dalembert, and subtracting Rondo makes us a better team.  Bring back KG, Green, along with Pierce; and if Bradley continutes to develop that's a pretty strong core.

  The team won't contend without Rondo without major changes. If you aren't getting a better player than Rondo in a trade or else two players that are well above average you lose the trade. In the nba, a quarter is worth much more than 2 dimes and a nickel, or in this case, a dime and a nickel.

do any of you watch the nba??

lowry isnt as good as rondo, but he's close. both in per and win score, and wins per 48:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html  look at the win score and the wins per 48. now look at rondo:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

exactly the same.

now when u look at the per numbers on nba.com it will only show you lowrys regular season vs rondos playoff per. but in the regular season they were identical.

look at espn:

rondos per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo

lowrys per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry

if u lose rondo and get back a clone who can shoot but cant rebound and also get a center to gobble up rebounds you're already ahead of the game. then u add in a 16th pick, which im sure ainge is targeting sullinger with - a guy who is going to be an al jefferson, elton brand, paul millsap clone -

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=57192.60 (if any of you doubt this)

and with a little luck with sully dropping to us the trade would be a genius trade.

houston gets rid of dalembert and lowry who dont want to be there, and get back rondo, whose value has soared since he became a triple double machine in the playoffs. true, they are very similar players in terms of efficiency and win score and wins per 48, but if ever there was a time danny could cash in on real value vs perceived value, the time is now - when rondo is basically considered a superstar (which he wasnt in the regular season).

i looooovvvve rondo, but he's reached his peak, as has lowry, but if u can get the same player in terms of win score back and add a rebounding monster to make kg happy with not being a center anymore - and u add a rookie who's going to be a borderline all star (if we're lucky enough to have him drop to us) and the trade is pure brilliance.

of course danny would have to give houston either one or two of his first round picks this year.

check it out:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6sh22gn

HOUSTON GETS: RONDO, ONE or TWO 1ST ROUND PICKS, and either JAJUAN JOHNSON or ETWUAN MOORE

BOSTON GETS: KYLE LOWRY, SAM DALEMBERT, 16TH PICK IN THE DRAFT.

seriously if you were to turn down this trade as boston you would be dumb.

i say either or for what houston gets because dannys best quality is he's a brilliant salesman and can swing an unfair trade with other teams without them realising.

exhibit A: bass for baby and von wafer and a trade exception.

[Sketch5]

Why do people think trading our 21 and 22 (worse picks) is going to get us to trade up to 16 (which is possible by itself) and also get us a starting caliber center along with it who is on a great contract?? Houston loses in every way with that deal.. no chance that is going to happen.

Some times teams will do this to have assets for future transactions. You could have 1 pick and be a bust. Or two and one works out(Rondo). Or they both crap out, its a gamble. I think DA loaded up on picks pre big 3 era and thas how Allen and KG came to town.

[BballTim]

I'm going to have to say that adding Lowry and Dalembert, and subtracting Rondo makes us a better team.  Bring back KG, Green, along with Pierce; and if Bradley continutes to develop that's a pretty strong core.

  The team won't contend without Rondo without major changes. If you aren't getting a better player than Rondo in a trade or else two players that are well above average you lose the trade. In the nba, a quarter is worth much more than 2 dimes and a nickel, or in this case, a dime and a nickel.

do any of you watch the nba??

lowry isnt as good as rondo, but he's close. both in per and win score, and wins per 48:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html  look at the win score and the wins per 48. now look at rondo:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

exactly the same.

now when u look at the per numbers on nba.com it will only show you lowrys regular season vs rondos playoff per. but in the regular season they were identical.

look at espn:

rondos per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo

lowrys per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry

if u lose rondo and get back a clone who can shoot but cant rebound and also get a center to gobble up rebounds you're already ahead of the game. then u add in a 16th pick, which im sure ainge is targeting sullinger with - a guy who is going to be an al jefferson, elton brand, paul millsap clone -

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=57192.60 (if any of you doubt this)

and with a little luck with sully dropping to us the trade would be a genius trade.

houston gets rid of dalembert and lowry who dont want to be there, and get back rondo, whose value has soared since he became a triple double machine in the playoffs. true, they are very similar players in terms of efficiency and win score and wins per 48, but if ever there was a time danny could cash in on real value vs perceived value, the time is now - when rondo is basically considered a superstar (which he wasnt in the regular season).

i looooovvvve rondo, but he's reached his peak, as has lowry, but if u can get the same player in terms of win score back and add a rebounding monster to make kg happy with not being a center anymore - and u add a rookie who's going to be a borderline all star (if we're lucky enough to have him drop to us) and the trade is pure brilliance.

  I watch the nba enough to know that Rondo's value to the team goes well beyond his individual stats, that it's a lot more important to have a player that can match what he does in the playoffs than what he does in the regular season, that there's no reason to think he's reached his peak, and that it's extremely rare for a #16 pick to be a borderline all star as a rookie.

  If you're confident that Lowry or Dalembert can go into next year's playoffs and be one of the best players in the league, then it's a smart deal. If not, there's no reason to bring back KG (or PP) if you do that.

[jyyzzoel]

I'm going to have to say that adding Lowry and Dalembert, and subtracting Rondo makes us a better team.  Bring back KG, Green, along with Pierce; and if Bradley continutes to develop that's a pretty strong core.

  The team won't contend without Rondo without major changes. If you aren't getting a better player than Rondo in a trade or else two players that are well above average you lose the trade. In the nba, a quarter is worth much more than 2 dimes and a nickel, or in this case, a dime and a nickel.

do any of you watch the nba??

lowry isnt as good as rondo, but he's close. both in per and win score, and wins per 48:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html  look at the win score and the wins per 48. now look at rondo:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

exactly the same.

now when u look at the per numbers on nba.com it will only show you lowrys regular season vs rondos playoff per. but in the regular season they were identical.

look at espn:

rondos per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo

lowrys per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry

if u lose rondo and get back a clone who can shoot but cant rebound and also get a center to gobble up rebounds you're already ahead of the game. then u add in a 16th pick, which im sure ainge is targeting sullinger with - a guy who is going to be an al jefferson, elton brand, paul millsap clone -

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=57192.60 (if any of you doubt this)

and with a little luck with sully dropping to us the trade would be a genius trade.

houston gets rid of dalembert and lowry who dont want to be there, and get back rondo, whose value has soared since he became a triple double machine in the playoffs. true, they are very similar players in terms of efficiency and win score and wins per 48, but if ever there was a time danny could cash in on real value vs perceived value, the time is now - when rondo is basically considered a superstar (which he wasnt in the regular season).

i looooovvvve rondo, but he's reached his peak, as has lowry, but if u can get the same player in terms of win score back and add a rebounding monster to make kg happy with not being a center anymore - and u add a rookie who's going to be a borderline all star (if we're lucky enough to have him drop to us) and the trade is pure brilliance.

  I watch the nba enough to know that Rondo's value to the team goes well beyond his individual stats, that it's a lot more important to have a player that can match what he does in the playoffs than what he does in the regular season, that there's no reason to think he's reached his peak, and that it's extremely rare for a #16 pick to be a borderline all star as a rookie.

  If you're confident that Lowry or Dalembert can go into next year's playoffs and be one of the best players in the league, then it's a smart deal. If not, there's no reason to bring back KG (or PP) if you do that.

1.  1st year out sullinger will be as good as bass. based on comparisons to players he's exactly like: dejuan blair, elton brand, al jefferson, etc.

2.  you're thinking one step ahead instead of 7. did u not see that list of players the celtics have to play with? do you not think danny's gonna try and say to someone: ok, you want bass? i'll give u bass, and jeff green, and steimsma for (player A) for example. or ray ray, and jeff for (player B)

do you not realise that both kidd and nash (nash had an unbelievable season this year) are free agents and maybe dannys trying to angle to get dwight when their new gm comes in?

half way thru summer he says to the gm: i'll give you lowry, player A or B (or both), bradley, 2013 1st for dwight?

seriously, it's clear as day dannys gonna pull some 2 of 1 or 3 for 1 trades this summer. he has some real nice pieces, and their invaluable bird rights.

i know rondos valuable, but is his stock ever gonna be higher?? AND there actually is reason to suggest that rondo wont get that much better - generally speaking all nba players peak at 25 years old and ride that peak out till 30, then get progressively worse from thereon out.

do you really think rondos gonna get SIGNIFICANTLY better? he may improve his free throw percentage 10 % but i dont see anything other than that.

what do you think??

[BballTim]

I'm going to have to say that adding Lowry and Dalembert, and subtracting Rondo makes us a better team.  Bring back KG, Green, along with Pierce; and if Bradley continutes to develop that's a pretty strong core.

  The team won't contend without Rondo without major changes. If you aren't getting a better player than Rondo in a trade or else two players that are well above average you lose the trade. In the nba, a quarter is worth much more than 2 dimes and a nickel, or in this case, a dime and a nickel.

do any of you watch the nba??

lowry isnt as good as rondo, but he's close. both in per and win score, and wins per 48:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html  look at the win score and the wins per 48. now look at rondo:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

exactly the same.

now when u look at the per numbers on nba.com it will only show you lowrys regular season vs rondos playoff per. but in the regular season they were identical.

look at espn:

rondos per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo

lowrys per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry

if u lose rondo and get back a clone who can shoot but cant rebound and also get a center to gobble up rebounds you're already ahead of the game. then u add in a 16th pick, which im sure ainge is targeting sullinger with - a guy who is going to be an al jefferson, elton brand, paul millsap clone -

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=57192.60 (if any of you doubt this)

and with a little luck with sully dropping to us the trade would be a genius trade.

houston gets rid of dalembert and lowry who dont want to be there, and get back rondo, whose value has soared since he became a triple double machine in the playoffs. true, they are very similar players in terms of efficiency and win score and wins per 48, but if ever there was a time danny could cash in on real value vs perceived value, the time is now - when rondo is basically considered a superstar (which he wasnt in the regular season).

i looooovvvve rondo, but he's reached his peak, as has lowry, but if u can get the same player in terms of win score back and add a rebounding monster to make kg happy with not being a center anymore - and u add a rookie who's going to be a borderline all star (if we're lucky enough to have him drop to us) and the trade is pure brilliance.

  I watch the nba enough to know that Rondo's value to the team goes well beyond his individual stats, that it's a lot more important to have a player that can match what he does in the playoffs than what he does in the regular season, that there's no reason to think he's reached his peak, and that it's extremely rare for a #16 pick to be a borderline all star as a rookie.

  If you're confident that Lowry or Dalembert can go into next year's playoffs and be one of the best players in the league, then it's a smart deal. If not, there's no reason to bring back KG (or PP) if you do that.

1.  1st year out sullinger will be as good as bass. based on comparisons to players he's exactly like: dejuan blair, elton brand, al jefferson, etc.

2.  you're thinking one step ahead instead of 7. did u not see that list of players the celtics have to play with? do you not think danny's gonna try and say to someone: ok, you want bass? i'll give u bass, and jeff green, and steimsma for (player A) for example. or ray ray, and jeff for (player B)

do you not realise that both kidd and nash (nash had an unbelievable season this year) are free agents and maybe dannys trying to angle to get dwight when their new gm comes in?

half way thru summer he says to the gm: i'll give you lowry, player A or B (or both), bradley, 2013 1st for dwight?

seriously, it's clear as day dannys gonna pull some 2 of 1 or 3 for 1 trades this summer. he has some real nice pieces, and their invaluable bird rights.

i know rondos valuable, but is his stock ever gonna be higher?? AND there actually is reason to suggest that rondo wont get that much better - generally speaking all nba players peak at 25 years old and ride that peak out till 30, then get progressively worse from thereon out.

do you really think rondos gonna get SIGNIFICANTLY better? he may improve his free throw percentage 10 % but i dont see anything other than that.

what do you think??

  If you look at mid 1st rounders, they rarely have careers comparable to the players they supposedly resemble. Someone who's likely to be to be a regular 20/10 guy like Al or Brand wouldn't last anywhere close to 16. If you're going to try and trade for Howard, you're much better off trying to trade a package including Rondo than a bunch of non-stars. And not only will Rondo improve but his stock is likely to go up as he becomes more and more the focus of the team. Player's stats don't always improve as they get older than 25, but their play can improve significantly. Case in point, loathe though I am to say it, LeBron.

[jyyzzoel]

I'm going to have to say that adding Lowry and Dalembert, and subtracting Rondo makes us a better team.  Bring back KG, Green, along with Pierce; and if Bradley continutes to develop that's a pretty strong core.

  The team won't contend without Rondo without major changes. If you aren't getting a better player than Rondo in a trade or else two players that are well above average you lose the trade. In the nba, a quarter is worth much more than 2 dimes and a nickel, or in this case, a dime and a nickel.

do any of you watch the nba??

lowry isnt as good as rondo, but he's close. both in per and win score, and wins per 48:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html  look at the win score and the wins per 48. now look at rondo:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

exactly the same.

now when u look at the per numbers on nba.com it will only show you lowrys regular season vs rondos playoff per. but in the regular season they were identical.

look at espn:

rondos per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo

lowrys per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry

if u lose rondo and get back a clone who can shoot but cant rebound and also get a center to gobble up rebounds you're already ahead of the game. then u add in a 16th pick, which im sure ainge is targeting sullinger with - a guy who is going to be an al jefferson, elton brand, paul millsap clone -

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=57192.60 (if any of you doubt this)

and with a little luck with sully dropping to us the trade would be a genius trade.

houston gets rid of dalembert and lowry who dont want to be there, and get back rondo, whose value has soared since he became a triple double machine in the playoffs. true, they are very similar players in terms of efficiency and win score and wins per 48, but if ever there was a time danny could cash in on real value vs perceived value, the time is now - when rondo is basically considered a superstar (which he wasnt in the regular season).

i looooovvvve rondo, but he's reached his peak, as has lowry, but if u can get the same player in terms of win score back and add a rebounding monster to make kg happy with not being a center anymore - and u add a rookie who's going to be a borderline all star (if we're lucky enough to have him drop to us) and the trade is pure brilliance.

  I watch the nba enough to know that Rondo's value to the team goes well beyond his individual stats, that it's a lot more important to have a player that can match what he does in the playoffs than what he does in the regular season, that there's no reason to think he's reached his peak, and that it's extremely rare for a #16 pick to be a borderline all star as a rookie.

  If you're confident that Lowry or Dalembert can go into next year's playoffs and be one of the best players in the league, then it's a smart deal. If not, there's no reason to bring back KG (or PP) if you do that.

1.  1st year out sullinger will be as good as bass. based on comparisons to players he's exactly like: dejuan blair, elton brand, al jefferson, etc.

2.  you're thinking one step ahead instead of 7. did u not see that list of players the celtics have to play with? do you not think danny's gonna try and say to someone: ok, you want bass? i'll give u bass, and jeff green, and steimsma for (player A) for example. or ray ray, and jeff for (player B)

do you not realise that both kidd and nash (nash had an unbelievable season this year) are free agents and maybe dannys trying to angle to get dwight when their new gm comes in?

half way thru summer he says to the gm: i'll give you lowry, player A or B (or both), bradley, 2013 1st for dwight?

seriously, it's clear as day dannys gonna pull some 2 of 1 or 3 for 1 trades this summer. he has some real nice pieces, and their invaluable bird rights.

i know rondos valuable, but is his stock ever gonna be higher?? AND there actually is reason to suggest that rondo wont get that much better - generally speaking all nba players peak at 25 years old and ride that peak out till 30, then get progressively worse from thereon out.

do you really think rondos gonna get SIGNIFICANTLY better? he may improve his free throw percentage 10 % but i dont see anything other than that.

what do you think??

  If you look at mid 1st rounders, they rarely have careers comparable to the players they supposedly resemble. Someone who's likely to be to be a regular 20/10 guy like Al or Brand wouldn't last anywhere close to 16. If you're going to try and trade for Howard, you're much better off trying to trade a package including Rondo than a bunch of non-stars. And not only will Rondo improve but his stock is likely to go up as he becomes more and more the focus of the team. Player's stats don't always improve as they get older than 25, but their play can improve significantly. Case in point, loathe though I am to say it, LeBron.

forgive me, but saying "Player's stats don't always improve as they get older than 25, but their play can improve significantly" seems like a logical contradiction, and in the case of lebron:

the stats show that this post-season has by far been lebrons best:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

win score has never been higher at 5.8, his offensive win score has never been better and his defensive win score has never been better.

secondly, saying someone cant come in and play that well at 16th in the draft - lets look at last years draft:

number 13 - kwahi leonard
number 22 - kenneth faried

they both had better seasons than bass:

leonard had a per of 16.66 according to espn, a win score of 5.5

faried had a per of 21.94 accordng to espn and a win score of 4.6

BASS had a per of 14.21 according to espn and a win score of 4.7

faried and leonard, being picked at 13th and 22nd in the draft did at least, if not better than bass this year, so saying a guy that could go at 16 and play at least as good as bass isn't far - fetched.

forgive me, im very interested and intrigued by your opinion, but the numbers just dont back it up.

[BballTim]

I'm going to have to say that adding Lowry and Dalembert, and subtracting Rondo makes us a better team.  Bring back KG, Green, along with Pierce; and if Bradley continutes to develop that's a pretty strong core.

  The team won't contend without Rondo without major changes. If you aren't getting a better player than Rondo in a trade or else two players that are well above average you lose the trade. In the nba, a quarter is worth much more than 2 dimes and a nickel, or in this case, a dime and a nickel.

do any of you watch the nba??

lowry isnt as good as rondo, but he's close. both in per and win score, and wins per 48:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html  look at the win score and the wins per 48. now look at rondo:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

exactly the same.

now when u look at the per numbers on nba.com it will only show you lowrys regular season vs rondos playoff per. but in the regular season they were identical.

look at espn:

rondos per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo

lowrys per:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry

if u lose rondo and get back a clone who can shoot but cant rebound and also get a center to gobble up rebounds you're already ahead of the game. then u add in a 16th pick, which im sure ainge is targeting sullinger with - a guy who is going to be an al jefferson, elton brand, paul millsap clone -

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=57192.60 (if any of you doubt this)

and with a little luck with sully dropping to us the trade would be a genius trade.

houston gets rid of dalembert and lowry who dont want to be there, and get back rondo, whose value has soared since he became a triple double machine in the playoffs. true, they are very similar players in terms of efficiency and win score and wins per 48, but if ever there was a time danny could cash in on real value vs perceived value, the time is now - when rondo is basically considered a superstar (which he wasnt in the regular season).

i looooovvvve rondo, but he's reached his peak, as has lowry, but if u can get the same player in terms of win score back and add a rebounding monster to make kg happy with not being a center anymore - and u add a rookie who's going to be a borderline all star (if we're lucky enough to have him drop to us) and the trade is pure brilliance.

  I watch the nba enough to know that Rondo's value to the team goes well beyond his individual stats, that it's a lot more important to have a player that can match what he does in the playoffs than what he does in the regular season, that there's no reason to think he's reached his peak, and that it's extremely rare for a #16 pick to be a borderline all star as a rookie.

  If you're confident that Lowry or Dalembert can go into next year's playoffs and be one of the best players in the league, then it's a smart deal. If not, there's no reason to bring back KG (or PP) if you do that.

1.  1st year out sullinger will be as good as bass. based on comparisons to players he's exactly like: dejuan blair, elton brand, al jefferson, etc.

2.  you're thinking one step ahead instead of 7. did u not see that list of players the celtics have to play with? do you not think danny's gonna try and say to someone: ok, you want bass? i'll give u bass, and jeff green, and steimsma for (player A) for example. or ray ray, and jeff for (player B)

do you not realise that both kidd and nash (nash had an unbelievable season this year) are free agents and maybe dannys trying to angle to get dwight when their new gm comes in?

half way thru summer he says to the gm: i'll give you lowry, player A or B (or both), bradley, 2013 1st for dwight?

seriously, it's clear as day dannys gonna pull some 2 of 1 or 3 for 1 trades this summer. he has some real nice pieces, and their invaluable bird rights.

i know rondos valuable, but is his stock ever gonna be higher?? AND there actually is reason to suggest that rondo wont get that much better - generally speaking all nba players peak at 25 years old and ride that peak out till 30, then get progressively worse from thereon out.

do you really think rondos gonna get SIGNIFICANTLY better? he may improve his free throw percentage 10 % but i dont see anything other than that.

what do you think??

  If you look at mid 1st rounders, they rarely have careers comparable to the players they supposedly resemble. Someone who's likely to be to be a regular 20/10 guy like Al or Brand wouldn't last anywhere close to 16. If you're going to try and trade for Howard, you're much better off trying to trade a package including Rondo than a bunch of non-stars. And not only will Rondo improve but his stock is likely to go up as he becomes more and more the focus of the team. Player's stats don't always improve as they get older than 25, but their play can improve significantly. Case in point, loathe though I am to say it, LeBron.

forgive me, but saying "Player's stats don't always improve as they get older than 25, but their play can improve significantly" seems like a logical contradiction, and in the case of lebron:

the stats show that this post-season has by far been lebrons best:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

win score has never been higher at 5.8, his offensive win score has never been better and his defensive win score has never been better.

secondly, saying someone cant come in and play that well at 16th in the draft - lets look at last years draft:

number 13 - kwahi leonard
number 22 - kenneth faried

they both had better seasons than bass:

leonard had a per of 16.66 according to espn, a win score of 5.5

faried had a per of 21.94 accordng to espn and a win score of 4.6

BASS had a per of 14.21 according to espn and a win score of 4.7

faried and leonard, being picked at 13th and 22nd in the draft did at least, if not better than bass this year, so saying a guy that could go at 16 and play at least as good as bass isn't far - fetched.

forgive me, im very interested and intrigued by your opinion, but the numbers just dont back it up.

  First of all, for LeBron, the numbers you listed increase the more games you play. His best postseason based on your method of measurement was 2009. Secondly, you listed 1 player taken 16 or better last year that was better than Bass. It's not likely that it will happen for a given pick, and that's even below the borderline all-star level you were talking about earlier.

  edit: As for Rondo, it wouldn't really be a surprise if his scoring numbers went up by a decent amount after the big three left and he likely takes a bigger scoring role in the offense.