Author Topic: NBA weighs flopping penalties (Read 10917 times)

stb · « **on:** June 18, 2012, 08:26:07 PM »

...The committee is made up of coaches Doc Rivers of Boston, Rick Carlisle of Dallas and Lionel Hollins of Memphis; owners Dan Gilbert of Cleveland and Joe Lacob of Golden State, and general managers Bryan Colangelo of Toronto, Sam Presti of Oklahoma City, Mitch Kupchak of the Lakers and Kevin O'Connor of Utah.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8069250/nba-weighs-retroactive-penalties-floppers

dark_lord · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2012, 08:30:09 PM »

here is a simple solution.....

dont reward flops with calls. if the refs dont reward the flop, the players will eventually stop flopping, as it takes them out of plays. i understand a ref can occasionally be deceived, but the vast majority of the time, the reward the flop.

BballTim · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2012, 08:37:16 PM »

Quote from: stb on June 18, 2012, 08:26:07 PM

...The committee is made up of coaches Doc Rivers of Boston, Rick Carlisle of Dallas and Lionel Hollins of Memphis; owners Dan Gilbert of Cleveland and Joe Lacob of Golden State, and general managers Bryan Colangelo of Toronto, Sam Presti of Oklahoma City, Mitch Kupchak of the Lakers and Kevin O'Connor of Utah.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8069250/nba-weighs-retroactive-penalties-floppers

"He has said he is intrigued by the international goaltending rules, which allow a defensive player to knock the ball off the rim."

Boy, if there's one thing the nba is desperate for, it's less scoring.

stb · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2012, 08:39:37 PM »

Stern needs to go. His time has passed.

BballTim · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2012, 08:50:07 PM »

Quote from: dark_lord on June 18, 2012, 08:30:09 PM

here is a simple solution.....

dont reward flops with calls. if the refs dont reward the flop, the players will eventually stop flopping, as it takes them out of plays. i understand a ref can occasionally be deceived, but the vast majority of the time, the reward the flop.

I think that they need to somehow differentiate between flopping and embellishing. You should be punished for pretending you were fouled, but not necessarily for exaggerating the effects of a foul to draw the attention of the ref. If you're actually tricking the ref into thinking you were fouled, I'd have no problem with something like 4-5 warnings and then a game off, and suspensions for every 2-3 offenses for the rest of the season. Want to see it stop? Take a few game checks from the players and let them deal with the embarassement that will follow.

Celtics18 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 18, 2012, 09:10:39 PM »

My advice to the committee would be to eliminate the defensive three second rule.

The other one is to really clean up the block/charge rules.

I wouldn't mind some penalties for flopping, either.

IanMello · « **Reply #6 on:** June 18, 2012, 09:25:37 PM »

The best way to clean up flopping is to increase the size of the "restricted" area in the paint, hand out fines for obvious flops, and re-emphasize the rule of verticality for defenders who stand completely vertical and do not initiate contact with the offensive player. Those will take away the incentive for players to try to take so many charges which will make the game easier to call for refs.

Guys getting fined for flopping will help refs to identify the major floppers and act accordingly when reffing those players.

And because increasing the "restricted" area hurts defenses ability to stop penetration the re-emphasis on the rule of verticality (not calling fouls on defensive players standing straight up/not initiating contact with an offensive player) will help to lessen the blow of less charges being taken for defenses.

guava_wrench · « **Reply #7 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:22:01 PM »

Quote from: dark_lord on June 18, 2012, 08:30:09 PM

here is a simple solution.....

dont reward flops with calls. if the refs dont reward the flop, the players will eventually stop flopping, as it takes them out of plays. i understand a ref can occasionally be deceived, but the vast majority of the time, the reward the flop.

Huh? Really?

I wish I could view the world as so simple and black and white.

The only way you can really tell flopping on many plays is video replay, and flops are rarely blatant enough for such a rule to result in a lot of fines.

The main problem is that offensive players are often overly physical backing people down or going to the rim. It is often more risk to try to go straight up (while also keeping your arms straight up) than to just wait for the hit. If you try to stand your ground on contact, a la Perk, the offense gets away with a lot of charges. Some players legitimately try to play good position defense and when the offensive player tries to run them over, trying to do anything besides getting ready to fall increases the chances of a good outcome for the other team.

I definitely endorse fines for blatant flops, but it would require video replay to really discern such things (unless we think like Stephen Colbert).

guava_wrench · « **Reply #8 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:38:02 PM »

Quote from: BballTim on June 18, 2012, 08:50:07 PM

Quote from: dark_lord on June 18, 2012, 08:30:09 PM
here is a simple solution.....

dont reward flops with calls. if the refs dont reward the flop, the players will eventually stop flopping, as it takes them out of plays. i understand a ref can occasionally be deceived, but the vast majority of the time, the reward the flop.

I think that they need to somehow differentiate between flopping and embellishing. You should be punished for pretending you were fouled, but not necessarily for exaggerating the effects of a foul to draw the attention of the ref. If you're actually tricking the ref into thinking you were fouled, I'd have no problem with something like 4-5 warnings and then a game off, and suspensions for every 2-3 offenses for the rest of the season. Want to see it stop? Take a few game checks from the players and let them deal with the embarassement that will follow.

Agree completely with your first few sentences. If guys act stoic on defense, the offense will get away with a lot of illegal play. There are only 3 refs and they can each only really pay attention to one thing at any given moment.

LooseCannon · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:51:16 PM »

LOL at people who complain about the referees then think that the refs will do a magically good job of discerning what is a flop.

If you really want to get rid of flopping, legalize some physical contact. Also, add a fourth ref, so one is stationed at each end of the court and two run up and down the sidelines, rotating by quarter.

ben · « **Reply #10 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:57:19 PM »

Penalties for "flopping" is not a good road to go down. "flopping" is subjective and the rulings will be inconsistent and unfair.

If they insist on doing this, i suppose fines to individual players based on such "flopping" might be allright. But imagine a team in the playoffs losing a player for "flopping" or losing a posession or points in a tight game for "flopping" the rules are controversial enough. If a ref is not good enough to see flopping and stop giving away calls , and if a player is is skillful enough (a good flop is not easy to pull off it takes timing and intelligence) just let it be.

im fine with flopping, i can even appreciate a well executed and well acted flop, i just wish refs would stop calling sooo many fouls.

Lucky17 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 18, 2012, 11:17:22 PM »

Quote from: IanMello on June 18, 2012, 09:25:37 PM

The best way to clean up flopping is to increase the size of the "restricted" area in the paint [. . .]

Jeff Van Gundy made an impassioned and persuasive argument for this during a recent telecast. He said he'd like to see the semicircle of restricted area extended to the bottom of the circle that extends from the free-throw line. I thought it merited consideration.

You can counteract flopping by de-incentivizing it.

LooseCannon · « **Reply #12 on:** June 18, 2012, 11:34:56 PM »

Make the floor harder so that flopping hurts more.

BballTim · « **Reply #13 on:** June 18, 2012, 11:45:12 PM »

Quote from: LooseCannon on June 18, 2012, 10:51:16 PM

LOL at people who complain about the referees then think that the refs will do a magically good job of discerning what is a flop.

Not to speak for others, but I meant the league reviewing plays after the game and punishing players based on that review.

pearljammer10 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:40:20 AM »

Quote from: LooseCannon on June 18, 2012, 11:34:56 PM

Make the floor harder so that flopping hurts more.

love it

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