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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2012, 10:45:16 PM »

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what about wilcox? hes the big unknown that everyone keeps forgetting about. we barely got a glimpse of him last year before he had to be sidelined. will he be back? or is it too soon?
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2012, 10:46:07 PM »

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Quote from: pearljammer10 on June 16, 2012, 10:31:29 PM
teams dont win championships without legit centers or pf's that can move to the center spot.

2011 - Dallas - Chandler
2010 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2009 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2008 - Celtics - Perkins
2007 - Spurs - Duncan
2006 - miami - Shaq
2005 - Spurs - Duncan
2004 - Pistons - Wallace
2003 - Spurs - Duncan
2002 - Lakers - Shaq
2001 - Lakers - Shaq
2000 - Lakers Shaq

You get the idea.
we have KG.
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2012, 10:53:24 PM »

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Quote from: pearljammer10 on June 16, 2012, 10:31:29 PM
teams dont win championships without legit centers or pf's that can move to the center spot.

2011 - Dallas - Chandler
2010 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2009 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2008 - Celtics - Perkins
2007 - Spurs - Duncan
2006 - miami - Shaq
2005 - Spurs - Duncan
2004 - Pistons - Wallace
2003 - Spurs - Duncan
2002 - Lakers - Shaq
2001 - Lakers - Shaq
2000 - Lakers Shaq

You get the idea.

Well it looks like Thunder/Heat are bucking the trend. But no matter what happens this year size still matters in game of basketball. I hope Celtics go Free-Agent route to find help for KG. Drafting a big man would be a useless acquisition for now. Celtics have championship aspirations next year.

BTW you forget pseudo Centers: Dirk, KG, Rasheed....
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2012, 11:04:05 PM »

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The Celtics have been at their best with a legitimate center in the lineup. Usually, we need more than one. It's a definite need, even with the most optimistic predictions for a 37 year old KG.

Of course, the bigger need is just more talent. I'd rather draft talent and potential over need right now.
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2012, 11:09:37 PM »

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Quote from: lightspeed5 on June 16, 2012, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: pearljammer10 on June 16, 2012, 10:31:29 PM
teams dont win championships without legit centers or pf's that can move to the center spot.

2011 - Dallas - Chandler
2010 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2009 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2008 - Celtics - Perkins
2007 - Spurs - Duncan
2006 - miami - Shaq
2005 - Spurs - Duncan
2004 - Pistons - Wallace
2003 - Spurs - Duncan
2002 - Lakers - Shaq
2001 - Lakers - Shaq
2000 - Lakers Shaq

You get the idea.
we have KG.

KG is a PF playing Center. As effective as he was, itll be a huge risk if we log him a ton of minutes going against guys who are more of the times stronger than him. Sure he creates mismatches for them offensively, but it'll take a toll on an already old KG, we should have at least a legit one even as a backup.
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C: Jermaine O'neal / Ben Wallace
Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2012, 03:58:15 AM »

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Quote from: Yoki_IsTheName on June 16, 2012, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: lightspeed5 on June 16, 2012, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: pearljammer10 on June 16, 2012, 10:31:29 PM
teams dont win championships without legit centers or pf's that can move to the center spot.

2011 - Dallas - Chandler
2010 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2009 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2008 - Celtics - Perkins
2007 - Spurs - Duncan
2006 - miami - Shaq
2005 - Spurs - Duncan
2004 - Pistons - Wallace
2003 - Spurs - Duncan
2002 - Lakers - Shaq
2001 - Lakers - Shaq
2000 - Lakers Shaq

You get the idea.
we have KG.

KG is a PF playing Center. As effective as he was, itll be a huge risk if we log him a ton of minutes going against guys who are more of the times stronger than him. Sure he creates mismatches for them offensively, but it'll take a toll on an already old KG, we should have at least a legit one even as a backup.

Still, not exactly a need. Worst case scenario we get our PF to play center and go smallball.
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2012, 04:40:22 AM »

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Quote from: bfrombleacher on June 17, 2012, 03:58:15 AM
Quote from: Yoki_IsTheName on June 16, 2012, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: lightspeed5 on June 16, 2012, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: pearljammer10 on June 16, 2012, 10:31:29 PM
teams dont win championships without legit centers or pf's that can move to the center spot.

2011 - Dallas - Chandler
2010 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2009 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2008 - Celtics - Perkins
2007 - Spurs - Duncan
2006 - miami - Shaq
2005 - Spurs - Duncan
2004 - Pistons - Wallace
2003 - Spurs - Duncan
2002 - Lakers - Shaq
2001 - Lakers - Shaq
2000 - Lakers Shaq

You get the idea.
we have KG.

KG is a PF playing Center. As effective as he was, itll be a huge risk if we log him a ton of minutes going against guys who are more of the times stronger than him. Sure he creates mismatches for them offensively, but it'll take a toll on an already old KG, we should have at least a legit one even as a backup.

Still, not exactly a need. Worst case scenario we get our PF to play center and go smallball.
It is a need and has been since Perk left,  you can't rely on small ball it's something that works in stretches but you don't want to always go there
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2012, 04:49:38 AM »

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You can never get enough bigs and we got pounded on the glass.   I for one would take another big be it C or PF.
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2012, 05:22:53 AM »

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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2012, 07:56:14 AM »

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I would say we do need a center..kg is older, and better used as a 4, then we can also double down on teams with a center and him....but, we need a moving center, rebounder, shot blocker, one who can put the ball up for a decent try, and 1.....!  Steam and hollins might be good, after the summer camps....I would invest in them...besides....they ask for small $$$...more to get others....! We NEED a fast swingman, TA type...someone who can guard wade/lebron......
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2012, 07:57:19 AM »

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Quote from: IndeedProceed on June 16, 2012, 11:04:05 PM
The Celtics have been at their best with a legitimate center in the lineup. Usually, we need more than one. It's a definite need, even with the most optimistic predictions for a 37 year old KG.

Of course, the bigger need is just more talent. I'd rather draft talent and potential over need right now.
TP for that one..!
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2012, 08:12:31 AM »

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Ok......we don't need a center if it bothers somebody to call them that....but we need some true 6-11-7 ft BIG men who can play in the paint and get a rebound and protect the paint on Defense.  With Perk and Shaq HEALTHY we had a team to be feared.....no w , not so much.  

I'm sure Larry Bird thought the 'Chief" was useless.  ::)

Roy Hibbert would do nicely thank you very much.  ;)

What a silly notion to play basketball with a totally short team...the cHeat is NOT a team to replicate .....One LBJ or MJ comes along every decade .. even in grade school , the capt.always picked the tallest boys first , even if they couldn't play.  You just NEEDED THEM to win... ;D
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2012, 08:19:33 AM »

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Quote from: bfrombleacher on June 17, 2012, 03:58:15 AM
Quote from: Yoki_IsTheName on June 16, 2012, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: lightspeed5 on June 16, 2012, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: pearljammer10 on June 16, 2012, 10:31:29 PM
teams dont win championships without legit centers or pf's that can move to the center spot.

2011 - Dallas - Chandler
2010 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2009 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2008 - Celtics - Perkins
2007 - Spurs - Duncan
2006 - miami - Shaq
2005 - Spurs - Duncan
2004 - Pistons - Wallace
2003 - Spurs - Duncan
2002 - Lakers - Shaq
2001 - Lakers - Shaq
2000 - Lakers Shaq

You get the idea.
we have KG.

KG is a PF playing Center. As effective as he was, itll be a huge risk if we log him a ton of minutes going against guys who are more of the times stronger than him. Sure he creates mismatches for them offensively, but it'll take a toll on an already old KG, we should have at least a legit one even as a backup.

Still, not exactly a need. Worst case scenario we get our PF to play center and go smallball.

It IS a need. Small ball to me is a play that relies on speed. We don't have that speed, and we'er giving away rebounds when we play small. We need a Center, don't matter if he starts or not. We need someone who'll be a force on the boards, clog the lanes and a big body to bang against the opponents'.

KG would not be able to do all those things. You're risking serious injuries or fatigue.
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2012, 08:33:03 AM »

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Quote from: Yoki_IsTheName on June 17, 2012, 08:19:33 AM
Quote from: bfrombleacher on June 17, 2012, 03:58:15 AM
Quote from: Yoki_IsTheName on June 16, 2012, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: lightspeed5 on June 16, 2012, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: pearljammer10 on June 16, 2012, 10:31:29 PM
teams dont win championships without legit centers or pf's that can move to the center spot.

2011 - Dallas - Chandler
2010 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2009 - Lakers - Bynum Gasol
2008 - Celtics - Perkins
2007 - Spurs - Duncan
2006 - miami - Shaq
2005 - Spurs - Duncan
2004 - Pistons - Wallace
2003 - Spurs - Duncan
2002 - Lakers - Shaq
2001 - Lakers - Shaq
2000 - Lakers Shaq

You get the idea.
we have KG.

KG is a PF playing Center. As effective as he was, itll be a huge risk if we log him a ton of minutes going against guys who are more of the times stronger than him. Sure he creates mismatches for them offensively, but it'll take a toll on an already old KG, we should have at least a legit one even as a backup.

Still, not exactly a need. Worst case scenario we get our PF to play center and go smallball.

It IS a need. Small ball to me is a play that relies on speed. We don't have that speed, and we'er giving away rebounds when we play small. We need a Center, don't matter if he starts or not. We need someone who'll be a force on the boards, clog the lanes and a big body to bang against the opponents'.

KG would not be able to do all those things. You're risking serious injuries or fatigue.

Not a starting caliber one. A backup big or a starting PF who can eat minutes would work. KG is way better at the C than at the PF.
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Re: stop suggesting we pick up a center, its not a need.
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2012, 08:39:39 AM »

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I suggest we pick a Center, it is a need.
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