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JaJuan Johnson
« on: June 15, 2012, 07:49:17 PM »

Offline ctrey

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Has anyone heard anything as to what the team thinks of him? The only thing they said was that perhaps at this time he was more of a 3 than a 4. Has anyone heard anything else regarding him? It worries me that they do not talk about him at all.
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Re: JaJuan Johnson
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2012, 09:41:36 PM »

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Towards the end of the regular season Danny was interviewed and he praised E'twan Moore for staying positive and busting his butt even though he was hardly getting any playing time.

Johnson was conspicuously not mentioned.

They really should have sent him to D-League just to keep him developing and get his confidence up.

If he doesn't weigh 230 by summer league, I'm going to be disappointed, without even blaming him.
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Re: JaJuan Johnson
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2012, 10:14:13 PM »

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it is difficult to judge jj since he did not play a whole bunch. but when he did play i thought he had a nice mid-range jump shot, was athletic, and fairly quick.

the downside i saw was that he seemed to have no grasp of the defensive schemes doc uses. i mean that he was lost time and time again on switches. he was obviously used to using his athleticism for defense, but that was not enough for the celtics defensive scheme.

next problem, he is thin and weak by nba standards. he was pushed around under the basket by most other pg and c. since he needs to make a living playing pf, this is not good. it also means he can not fight for rebounds or box out effectively.

but...perhaps, he might be able to put on pounds and muscle, so perhaps this is not a fatal flaw.

next, next problem... i did not see an ability to pass or make other team members better. maybe this is due to him being a rookie, but when i saw him in limited minutes, he simply did not appear to be the type of player who passes and makes others score. this may seem minor - maybe it is - but given his other flaws it seems to me that he has limited skills. i dont see what he brings to the celtics aside from a nice jump shot.

at his best, he may be an active, scoring pf who can boost the bench. but even then, i fear he will forever be a defensively limited player who can not rebound well or lift the team to greater heights.

in short, if jj can be a nice role player and scorer off the bench for the celtics, i would be happy.
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Re: JaJuan Johnson
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2012, 10:16:22 PM »

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We could have drafted Brooks. a proven scorer, but we decided JJ was so much better value, so we drafted JJ. Question? Did we spend any time checking him out before drafting him. Did we spend te same amount of time that we spent on Giddens? Whats going on? We draft players that we dont even care to develop? How many years in a row have we been thru this disaster? We draft guys that produce nothing; so its either that they continually sucker us into drafting them or else we dont due our due diligence before drafting them. Why should we do thing sdifferent in this coming draft? No surprise we end up the season full of veteran injured players and a lot of younger guys that have absolutely no experience. When will this drafting sharade(sic) end? Something has been stinking in the State of Denmark for some time and I dont see any end to it.
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Re: JaJuan Johnson
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2012, 10:37:36 PM »

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There was not a lot of practice time with the lockout deal, for the rookies to get a good dose of training. ANd really not many formal practices at all during the year.  The Perdue duo were basically just along for the ride far as I could tell.  Moore seems to be a year or two ahead of JJJ in confidence.  JJJ may ultimatley be the better of the two in 3-4 years , but not sure DA will wait to find out, too many fish in the pond that might be a better deal , as we need help NOW or KIDS that can grow up in a HURRY .   Moore maybe servicable backup in another year.
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Re: JaJuan Johnson
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 10:49:24 PM »

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I wonder whatever happened to the Garnett mentoring thing.

Let's HOPE Johnson took lots of notes and will display some of these skills in summer leagues.
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Re: JaJuan Johnson
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2012, 11:19:15 PM »

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Quote from: Reyquila on June 15, 2012, 10:16:22 PM
We could have drafted Brooks. a proven scorer, but we decided JJ was so much better value, so we drafted JJ. Question? Did we spend any time checking him out before drafting him. Did we spend te same amount of time that we spent on Giddens? Whats going on? We draft players that we dont even care to develop? How many years in a row have we been thru this disaster? We draft guys that produce nothing; so its either that they continually sucker us into drafting them or else we dont due our due diligence before drafting them. Why should we do thing sdifferent in this coming draft? No surprise we end up the season full of veteran injured players and a lot of younger guys that have absolutely no experience. When will this drafting sharade(sic) end? Something has been stinking in the State of Denmark for some time and I dont see any end to it.

Agreed.  But again, some of this needs to fall on DOC via Danny.  LET THEM PLAY!  I dont care if its just to stand their and pass the ball back and forth and put up a crap shot for a minute..let them get in the game.  I dont even wanna think about how sad this team woulda looked next year had we not been able to give Steamer and Bradley some playing time.  It's really inexcusable for a coach and GM that's so frequently lauded for their respective acumen. >:(
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Re: JaJuan Johnson
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2012, 12:14:15 AM »

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Quote from: Reyquila on June 15, 2012, 10:16:22 PM
We could have drafted Brooks. a proven scorer, but we decided JJ was so much better value, so we drafted JJ. Question? Did we spend any time checking him out before drafting him. Did we spend te same amount of time that we spent on Giddens? Whats going on? We draft players that we dont even care to develop? How many years in a row have we been thru this disaster? We draft guys that produce nothing; so its either that they continually sucker us into drafting them or else we dont due our due diligence before drafting them. Why should we do thing sdifferent in this coming draft? No surprise we end up the season full of veteran injured players and a lot of younger guys that have absolutely no experience. When will this drafting sharade(sic) end? Something has been stinking in the State of Denmark for some time and I dont see any end to it.
We're always drafting in the 20s.  Check out the percentages of other guys in this range that end up being long terms nba players.  The answer is not a whole lot.  And of course the celts do their due diligence.  What kind of a question is that?

All that said, let's wait and see what happens next year with Jjj before blasting DA.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2012, 01:19:13 AM »

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Quote from: Reyquila on June 15, 2012, 10:16:22 PM
We could have drafted Brooks. a proven scorer, but we decided JJ was so much better value, so we drafted JJ. Question? Did we spend any time checking him out before drafting him. Did we spend te same amount of time that we spent on Giddens? Whats going on? We draft players that we dont even care to develop? How many years in a row have we been thru this disaster? We draft guys that produce nothing; so its either that they continually sucker us into drafting them or else we dont due our due diligence before drafting them. Why should we do thing sdifferent in this coming draft? No surprise we end up the season full of veteran injured players and a lot of younger guys that have absolutely no experience. When will this drafting sharade(sic) end? Something has been stinking in the State of Denmark for some time and I dont see any end to it.

Question? Is any of this remotely serious? Are you seriously asking if we look into the players we draft? Is that a joke?

As for complaining about the quality of the drafts, yet another "YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!?!?" moment. Ainge is the best drafter out there. Bar none. When you are drafting in the high 20s, its a bit like baseball... you hit over .400 and you are absolutely crushing it... getting Delonte West, Tony Allen, Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins in the the 20s are all ABSOLUTE steals... but you want to talk about JR Giddens? Really pathetic. Go look at the 20-29 picks of any draft over the past few years... There's no way you will hit on all your picks... just because you saw Ted Williams strike out on a night he went 3-4 doesn't mean he had a bad night. Ainge's record is EXTREMEMLY strong... can't believe people are writing off JJJ and Moore already... i don't know if they will be any good, but how many people were SCREAMING that Avery Bradley was garbage earlier this year!?!? Foolish.
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Re: JaJuan Johnson
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2012, 02:00:15 AM »

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Quote from: EDWARDO on June 16, 2012, 01:19:13 AM
Quote from: Reyquila on June 15, 2012, 10:16:22 PM
We could have drafted Brooks. a proven scorer, but we decided JJ was so much better value, so we drafted JJ. Question? Did we spend any time checking him out before drafting him. Did we spend te same amount of time that we spent on Giddens? Whats going on? We draft players that we dont even care to develop? How many years in a row have we been thru this disaster? We draft guys that produce nothing; so its either that they continually sucker us into drafting them or else we dont due our due diligence before drafting them. Why should we do thing sdifferent in this coming draft? No surprise we end up the season full of veteran injured players and a lot of younger guys that have absolutely no experience. When will this drafting sharade(sic) end? Something has been stinking in the State of Denmark for some time and I dont see any end to it.

Question? Is any of this remotely serious? Are you seriously asking if we look into the players we draft? Is that a joke?

As for complaining about the quality of the drafts, yet another "YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!?!?" moment. Ainge is the best drafter out there. Bar none. When you are drafting in the high 20s, its a bit like baseball... you hit over .400 and you are absolutely crushing it... getting Delonte West, Tony Allen, Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins in the the 20s are all ABSOLUTE steals... but you want to talk about JR Giddens? Really pathetic. Go look at the 20-29 picks of any draft over the past few years... There's no way you will hit on all your picks... just because you saw Ted Williams strike out on a night he went 3-4 doesn't mean he had a bad night. Ainge's record is EXTREMEMLY strong... can't believe people are writing off JJJ and Moore already... i don't know if they will be any good, but how many people were SCREAMING that Avery Bradley was garbage earlier this year!?!? Foolish.

On the contrary, the Spurs GM is the best in the league, bar none. Difficult to argue against in when you have Tony Parker in the late 20s, Manu in the late 2nd round, so many good role players so late in the draft (Splitter, Neal, Hill, etc.).

While Danny has had some superb picks, it's true that he has also had some bad ones. He wanted to draft Robert Swift over Big Al, he also missed out on DeAndre Jordan among others. Regardless, he's a top 3-5 drafter in this league, and an outstanding GM.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2012, 02:13:08 AM »

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Quote from: syfy9 on June 16, 2012, 02:00:15 AM
Quote from: EDWARDO on June 16, 2012, 01:19:13 AM
Quote from: Reyquila on June 15, 2012, 10:16:22 PM
We could have drafted Brooks. a proven scorer, but we decided JJ was so much better value, so we drafted JJ. Question? Did we spend any time checking him out before drafting him. Did we spend te same amount of time that we spent on Giddens? Whats going on? We draft players that we dont even care to develop? How many years in a row have we been thru this disaster? We draft guys that produce nothing; so its either that they continually sucker us into drafting them or else we dont due our due diligence before drafting them. Why should we do thing sdifferent in this coming draft? No surprise we end up the season full of veteran injured players and a lot of younger guys that have absolutely no experience. When will this drafting sharade(sic) end? Something has been stinking in the State of Denmark for some time and I dont see any end to it.

Question? Is any of this remotely serious? Are you seriously asking if we look into the players we draft? Is that a joke?

As for complaining about the quality of the drafts, yet another "YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!?!?" moment. Ainge is the best drafter out there. Bar none. When you are drafting in the high 20s, its a bit like baseball... you hit over .400 and you are absolutely crushing it... getting Delonte West, Tony Allen, Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins in the the 20s are all ABSOLUTE steals... but you want to talk about JR Giddens? Really pathetic. Go look at the 20-29 picks of any draft over the past few years... There's no way you will hit on all your picks... just because you saw Ted Williams strike out on a night he went 3-4 doesn't mean he had a bad night. Ainge's record is EXTREMEMLY strong... can't believe people are writing off JJJ and Moore already... i don't know if they will be any good, but how many people were SCREAMING that Avery Bradley was garbage earlier this year!?!? Foolish.

On the contrary, the Spurs GM is the best in the league, bar none. Difficult to argue against in when you have Tony Parker in the late 20s, Manu in the late 2nd round, so many good role players so late in the draft (Splitter, Neal, Hill, etc.).

While Danny has had some superb picks, it's true that he has also had some bad ones. He wanted to draft Robert Swift over Big Al, he also missed out on DeAndre Jordan among others. Regardless, he's a top 3-5 drafter in this league, and an outstanding GM.

Is Richard Jefferson pretty much their only mistake?
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2012, 03:55:50 AM »

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Quote from: EDWARDO on June 16, 2012, 01:19:13 AM
Quote from: Reyquila on June 15, 2012, 10:16:22 PM
We could have drafted Brooks. a proven scorer, but we decided JJ was so much better value, so we drafted JJ. Question? Did we spend any time checking him out before drafting him. Did we spend te same amount of time that we spent on Giddens? Whats going on? We draft players that we dont even care to develop? How many years in a row have we been thru this disaster? We draft guys that produce nothing; so its either that they continually sucker us into drafting them or else we dont due our due diligence before drafting them. Why should we do thing sdifferent in this coming draft? No surprise we end up the season full of veteran injured players and a lot of younger guys that have absolutely no experience. When will this drafting sharade(sic) end? Something has been stinking in the State of Denmark for some time and I dont see any end to it.

Question? Is any of this remotely serious? Are you seriously asking if we look into the players we draft? Is that a joke?

As for complaining about the quality of the drafts, yet another "YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!?!?" moment. Ainge is the best drafter out there. Bar none. When you are drafting in the high 20s, its a bit like baseball... you hit over .400 and you are absolutely crushing it... getting Delonte West, Tony Allen, Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins in the the 20s are all ABSOLUTE steals... but you want to talk about JR Giddens? Really pathetic. Go look at the 20-29 picks of any draft over the past few years... There's no way you will hit on all your picks... just because you saw Ted Williams strike out on a night he went 3-4 doesn't mean he had a bad night. Ainge's record is EXTREMEMLY strong... can't believe people are writing off JJJ and Moore already... i don't know if they will be any good, but how many people were SCREAMING that Avery Bradley was garbage earlier this year!?!? Foolish.


Are u trying to convince him or yourself?
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2012, 06:25:31 AM »

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JJJ is a stretch 4.  He is 6'11".  My guess is he is our backup PF going into next year, with Jeff Green backing up Pierce at the 3.
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2012, 06:36:46 AM »

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Quote from: cltc5 on June 15, 2012, 11:19:15 PM
Quote from: Reyquila on June 15, 2012, 10:16:22 PM
We could have drafted Brooks. a proven scorer, but we decided JJ was so much better value, so we drafted JJ. Question? Did we spend any time checking him out before drafting him. Did we spend te same amount of time that we spent on Giddens? Whats going on? We draft players that we dont even care to develop? How many years in a row have we been thru this disaster? We draft guys that produce nothing; so its either that they continually sucker us into drafting them or else we dont due our due diligence before drafting them. Why should we do thing sdifferent in this coming draft? No surprise we end up the season full of veteran injured players and a lot of younger guys that have absolutely no experience. When will this drafting sharade(sic) end? Something has been stinking in the State of Denmark for some time and I dont see any end to it.

Agreed.  But again, some of this needs to fall on DOC via Danny.  LET THEM PLAY!  I dont care if its just to stand their and pass the ball back and forth and put up a crap shot for a minute..let them get in the game.  I dont even wanna think about how sad this team woulda looked next year had we not been able to give Steamer and Bradley some playing time.  It's really inexcusable for a coach and GM that's so frequently lauded for their respective acumen. >:(

This is just silly. I love Doc's philosophy that every player should earn his minutes. I was puzzled that Moore didn't get more minutes ahead of Dooling early in the season, but Johnson imo simply did not show that he deserve the minutes that eventually went to Stiemsma, Wilcox and Hollins
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2012, 08:35:21 AM »

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Quote from: mctyson on June 16, 2012, 06:25:31 AM
JJJ is a stretch 4.  He is 6'11".  My guess is he is our backup PF going into next year, with Jeff Green backing up Pierce at the 3.

I believe he measured 6'9" w/o shoes at the combine.

But I think going from 15th on the team to first PF off the bench in five months is expecting a lot.
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