If Perry Jones begins to slide should the C's trade up to draft him?

[ghost_of_davidthirdkill]

Perry Jones appears to be sliding in most recent mock drafts.  Now, I know that these are JUST mock drafts, but let's say Jones did begin fall to the mid or late teens (14-20):  would you trade #21 & #22 to take him?

I know that he probably represents the player with biggest bust possibility, but he also - at that juncture (mid teens) - would probably represent the player with the highest upside.

I would take that chance.  Players with his type of potential are usually hard to find that late in the draft.

[byennie]

I'd take him in a second if he's around at 14 and we can move up. Latest on ESPN had him at #19 which seems way too low to me. I know he has some flaws, but that's a high lottery pick talent being picked apart by 1 season in college forced to play center against constant double and triple teams. Reminds me a bit of Rondo and Bradley, who both dropped after being miscast during their freshman years.

I think he's the kind of guy who not only has star potential, but has a better chance of getting there with Rondo feeding him, KG, Pierce and Doc mentoring him, and Bradley to run with as well, on a winning team. Send him to a crappy team and who knows.

[GranTur]

I see him as too one-dimensional to have a high ceiling. His assist/steal/block numbers scare me. Even worse is his free throw percentage.

Athleticism is great, but not when it's literally a player's biggest strength.

His size and athleticism are his two biggest assets as a player, and that, to me, screams bust.

[slamtheking]

no.  C's have a chance to add multiple pieces for the future.  if jones is dropping, ala Gerald Green, there's most likely a reason.  I'm not moving 2 1st rounders for 1 that has that many question marks.

[hwangjini_1]

actually, what worries me about jones is not his talent. he seems to be very talented and athletic to boot.

but draft express and others keep saying he has trouble focusing, admits he doesnt play full out for the entire game, disappears, lacks motivation.

all of that worries me. if his personality was like KG, he might be a top 5 pick with that talent.

but i worry that he wont play to his potential and talent.

does anyone here know more about this?

[byennie]

I see him as too one-dimensional to have a high ceiling. His assist/steal/block numbers scare me. Even worse is his free throw percentage.

Athleticism is great, but not when it's literally a player's biggest strength.

His size and athleticism are his two biggest assets as a player, and that, to me, screams bust.

I think you may be seeing what you already believe, if you are looking at stats. His numbers are almost identical to Gilchrist, arguably with more room for improvement and more of an NBA body.

PT / REB / AST / BLK / STL / TO / FG / FT

11.9 / 7.4 / 1.9 / 0.9 / 1.0 / 2.2 / 49% / 75%
13.5 / 7.6 / 1.3 / 0.6 / 0.8 / 1.7 / 50% / 70%

I'm not saying I would pick him over Gilchrist, but if one is #2 I have a hard time seeing the other as a bad value at #15.

[GranTur]

I see him as too one-dimensional to have a high ceiling. His assist/steal/block numbers scare me. Even worse is his free throw percentage.

Athleticism is great, but not when it's literally a player's biggest strength.

His size and athleticism are his two biggest assets as a player, and that, to me, screams bust.

I think you may be seeing what you already believe, if you are looking at stats. His numbers are almost identical to Gilchrist, arguably with more room for improvement and more of an NBA body.

PT / REB / AST / BLK / STL / TO / FG / FT

11.9 / 7.4 / 1.9 / 0.9 / 1.0 / 2.2 / 49% / 75%
13.5 / 7.6 / 1.3 / 0.6 / 0.8 / 1.7 / 50% / 70%

I'm not saying I would pick him over Gilchrist, but if one is #2 I have a hard time seeing the other as a bad value at #15.

I feel the same way about MKG. I think he's overrated and doesn't have a complete enough game to warrant close to top 5. Both look like busts to me.

[Chris]

I see him as too one-dimensional to have a high ceiling. His assist/steal/block numbers scare me. Even worse is his free throw percentage.

Athleticism is great, but not when it's literally a player's biggest strength.

His size and athleticism are his two biggest assets as a player, and that, to me, screams bust.

I think you may be seeing what you already believe, if you are looking at stats. His numbers are almost identical to Gilchrist, arguably with more room for improvement and more of an NBA body.

PT / REB / AST / BLK / STL / TO / FG / FT

11.9 / 7.4 / 1.9 / 0.9 / 1.0 / 2.2 / 49% / 75%
13.5 / 7.6 / 1.3 / 0.6 / 0.8 / 1.7 / 50% / 70%

I'm not saying I would pick him over Gilchrist, but if one is #2 I have a hard time seeing the other as a bad value at #15.

I feel the same way about MKG. I think he's overrated and doesn't have a complete enough game to warrant close to top 5. Both look like busts to me.

Depending on what you mean by bust, I think MKG is about as bustproof as they get.  He is almost a lock to be a quality NBA starter.

The problem with him, is that I am not sure he has a ton of chance of being better than just an average starter.

[erisred]

I see him as too one-dimensional to have a high ceiling. His assist/steal/block numbers scare me. Even worse is his free throw percentage.

Athleticism is great, but not when it's literally a player's biggest strength.

His size and athleticism are his two biggest assets as a player, and that, to me, screams bust.

I think you may be seeing what you already believe, if you are looking at stats. His numbers are almost identical to Gilchrist, arguably with more room for improvement and more of an NBA body.

PT / REB / AST / BLK / STL / TO / FG / FT

11.9 / 7.4 / 1.9 / 0.9 / 1.0 / 2.2 / 49% / 75%
13.5 / 7.6 / 1.3 / 0.6 / 0.8 / 1.7 / 50% / 70%

I'm not saying I would pick him over Gilchrist, but if one is #2 I have a hard time seeing the other as a bad value at #15.

Stats say MKG and PJ3 are about the same...but the eye test says something else.

From watching the games, not highlights, MKG seems to be locked in and playing hard 100% of the time. PJ3 seems to be coasting most of the time. That's what I saw, in any case, when I watched these two guys playing. Given *that* I do have a lot of concern about Jones, but then again...

...their stats *are* very similar and that is with it *looking* like Jones isn't playing nearly as hard as Kidd-Gilcrist. So, does that mean that Perry Jones is a lot more talented than MKG? Is Jones lazy? Was he playing out of position in a bad system for him?

I think PJ3 has the potential to be gold or brass and the difference is going to be determined mostly by what is between his ears. I have no idea how he's going to turn out.

[Fafnir]

If PJ had KG's motor and willingness to play the 4 he'd probably be the number two pick, no worse than top 5.

[BleedGreen1989]

For me personally, it all depends on who is still available for our two picks. If any two of the following five are available I say no and draft two of these guys:

Arnett Moultrie
Terrance Ross
Meyers Leanard
Moe Harkless
Terrance Jones

If none of them are available I'd roll the dice and trade the two picks (nothing else) and move up and select him. I'd rather gamble on him then draft Jeff Taylor and Nicholson

[ghost_of_davidthirdkill]

For me personally, it all depends on who is still available for our two picks. If any two of the following five are available I say no and draft two of these guys:

Arnett Moultrie
Terrance Ross
Meyers Leanard
Moe Harkless
Terrance Jones

If none of them are available I'd roll the dice and trade the two picks (nothing else) and move up and select him. I'd rather gamble on him then draft Jeff Taylor and Nicholson

That's my concern.  I don't think any of those players are going to be available to us at #21 &#22.  I think the C's would be choosing between players like Nicholson, Taylor, Melo and White.  Now, while I don't think those guys are terrible, I don't think they have star potential either.  Maybe White could be really good, but I don't think his skill set fits well with this team.

[mmmmm]

I see him as too one-dimensional to have a high ceiling. His assist/steal/block numbers scare me. Even worse is his free throw percentage.

Athleticism is great, but not when it's literally a player's biggest strength.

His size and athleticism are his two biggest assets as a player, and that, to me, screams bust.

I think you may be seeing what you already believe, if you are looking at stats. His numbers are almost identical to Gilchrist, arguably with more room for improvement and more of an NBA body.

PT / REB / AST / BLK / STL / TO / FG / FT

11.9 / 7.4 / 1.9 / 0.9 / 1.0 / 2.2 / 49% / 75%
13.5 / 7.6 / 1.3 / 0.6 / 0.8 / 1.7 / 50% / 70%

I'm not saying I would pick him over Gilchrist, but if one is #2 I have a hard time seeing the other as a bad value at #15.

Stats say MKG and PJ3 are about the same...but the eye test says something else.

From watching the games, not highlights, MKG seems to be locked in and playing hard 100% of the time. PJ3 seems to be coasting most of the time. That's what I saw, in any case, when I watched these two guys playing. Given *that* I do have a lot of concern about Jones, but then again...

...their stats *are* very similar and that is with it *looking* like Jones isn't playing nearly as hard as Kidd-Gilcrist. So, does that mean that Perry Jones is a lot more talented than MKG? Is Jones lazy? Was he playing out of position in a bad system for him?

I think PJ3 has the potential to be gold or brass and the difference is going to be determined mostly by what is between his ears. I have no idea how he's going to turn out.

Perry Jones was in a system last year that dropped his utilization tremendously.  His usage rate was merely 18% and that accounts largely for his low scoring volume.  He averaged just 11 shots per game.    Baylor had Quincy Miller as another scoring option so that understandably cut significantly into Jones' numbers.

I would be pleased to take both of the Baylor boys.   Miller will probably go right around our picks and I think he's a steal that low.  He looks to be completely healed from his ACL surgery.  Coming out of high school he was easily one of the top handful of players in the country.

[Yogi]

MKG is all heart, hustle and intangible.  He's a winner and it's hard to miss with that guy.  I don't know if he'll be an all-star, but he's a guy I want on my team.  Perry Jones looks like an NBA stud.  I mean only physically.  The kid doesn't know what he's doing.  If he has the intelligence and work ethic he would have a high ceiling.  But I don't know if he has those. 

[Celtics4ever]

I think he is a big talent but the intagibles just are not there.   I could be wrong but in big games he vanished.  He did not dominate college with all that ability either.   I would stay away from him, looks like Gerald Green who is taller to me.