Poll: Kendrick Perkins or Jeff Green; Bigger Impact in Green this year?

[the_Bird]

Jeff Green was borderline terrible in his short time here (why people keep forgetting this is beyond me).  I was thoroughly unimpressed.

That said, I'd be willing to keep him if we can't sign and trade him for a better player.  He does seem to really want to be a part of the franchise.  I would absolutely not give him anything more than a one year contract though.

Jeff Green was essentially the same player for Boston that he was for Oklahoma City.  Just look at his per 36 numbers.  Almost the same.  So if he was borderline terrible for Boston he was borderline terrible in Oklahoma City.

"Borderline terrible" is probably an overstatement, but "completely replaceable" is not.  OKC did not view Jeff Green as a big loss.

To me, Jeff Green is like a fourth starter for a baseball team.  He's not someone that's going to dominate.  You hope that he can win half his games.  Basically, you just want him to go out there and eat up some innings.  To me, that's what Jeff Green does; he can play for a while and not really hurt you, but he's not really adding a lot either.  He's pretty invisible.

And to those who are expecting huge improvement...  why?  He's played four full seasons - and gotten tons of playing time during those seasons (no "redshirt years," like AB last season).  Pretty sure he was at Georgetown for three years.  He'll be 26 by the time next season rolls around. 

Plus, he hasn't shown any improvement since his second season.  His TS% was pretty much identical in his fourth season (averaging OKC and Boston) as it was in his second.  His rebounding (never good) has gotten slightly worse.  PER's a flawed stat, but for what it's worth, it's gotten slightly worse.

Why's he suddenly going to morph into something better?  He's been pretty much the same player for each of his past three seasons - where's the catalyst for him to suddenly take the leap?

I hope Jeff Green does well, but let's forget that he was a #5 overall pick and think about the player that he's proven to be.  He's not terrible, but he's also not Paul Pierce's heir apparent.

He is a role player.  A starting SF as a 4th option.  


He was a bad fit for the Celtics.

Why was he a bad fit on the C's?  Was he a bad fit on the Thunder as well?  What team would he be a good fit on?

It's probably a matter of semantics, but I think of a "role player" as someone who does one thing specifically well.  Stiemer is a role player; he blocks shots and grabs rebounds.  Eddie House was a role player; he can in and shot 3's.

Green does a little bit of everything, nothing particularly well and nothing particularly poorly.  That's just a bench player, IMHO.  I really think, in this day and age, you need to have a stronger scoring presence from your starting SF.

Green's a bench player; not a deep-bench player, he's a guy who can be a 25MPG reserve, but I just don't see him as someone you really want in a starting role.  Or more specially, if he IS your starter, you're going to be looking for ways to improve that position.

[wdleehi]

Jeff Green was borderline terrible in his short time here (why people keep forgetting this is beyond me).  I was thoroughly unimpressed.

That said, I'd be willing to keep him if we can't sign and trade him for a better player.  He does seem to really want to be a part of the franchise.  I would absolutely not give him anything more than a one year contract though.

Jeff Green was essentially the same player for Boston that he was for Oklahoma City.  Just look at his per 36 numbers.  Almost the same.  So if he was borderline terrible for Boston he was borderline terrible in Oklahoma City.

"Borderline terrible" is probably an overstatement, but "completely replaceable" is not.  OKC did not view Jeff Green as a big loss.

To me, Jeff Green is like a fourth starter for a baseball team.  He's not someone that's going to dominate.  You hope that he can win half his games.  Basically, you just want him to go out there and eat up some innings.  To me, that's what Jeff Green does; he can play for a while and not really hurt you, but he's not really adding a lot either.  He's pretty invisible.

And to those who are expecting huge improvement...  why?  He's played four full seasons - and gotten tons of playing time during those seasons (no "redshirt years," like AB last season).  Pretty sure he was at Georgetown for three years.  He'll be 26 by the time next season rolls around. 

Plus, he hasn't shown any improvement since his second season.  His TS% was pretty much identical in his fourth season (averaging OKC and Boston) as it was in his second.  His rebounding (never good) has gotten slightly worse.  PER's a flawed stat, but for what it's worth, it's gotten slightly worse.

Why's he suddenly going to morph into something better?  He's been pretty much the same player for each of his past three seasons - where's the catalyst for him to suddenly take the leap?

I hope Jeff Green does well, but let's forget that he was a #5 overall pick and think about the player that he's proven to be.  He's not terrible, but he's also not Paul Pierce's heir apparent.

He is a role player.  A starting SF as a 4th option.  


He was a bad fit for the Celtics.

Why was he a bad fit on the C's?  Was he a bad fit on the Thunder as well?  What team would he be a good fit on?

It's probably a matter of semantics, but I think of a "role player" as someone who does one thing specifically well.  Stiemer is a role player; he blocks shots and grabs rebounds.  Eddie House was a role player; he can in and shot 3's.

Green does a little bit of everything, nothing particularly well and nothing particularly poorly.  That's just a bench player, IMHO.  I really think, in this day and age, you need to have a stronger scoring presence from your starting SF.

Green's a bench player; not a deep-bench player, he's a guy who can be a 25MPG reserve, but I just don't see him as someone you really want in a starting role.  Or more specially, if he IS your starter, you're going to be looking for ways to improve that position.

The best fit for what the Celtics need as a swing off the bench is the ability to play top notch defense and hit the open three.  (see Posey and Pietrus)

[pearljammer10]

Jeff Green was borderline terrible in his short time here (why people keep forgetting this is beyond me).  I was thoroughly unimpressed.

That said, I'd be willing to keep him if we can't sign and trade him for a better player.  He does seem to really want to be a part of the franchise.  I would absolutely not give him anything more than a one year contract though.

Jeff Green was essentially the same player for Boston that he was for Oklahoma City.  Just look at his per 36 numbers.  Almost the same.  So if he was borderline terrible for Boston he was borderline terrible in Oklahoma City.

"Borderline terrible" is probably an overstatement, but "completely replaceable" is not.  OKC did not view Jeff Green as a big loss.

To me, Jeff Green is like a fourth starter for a baseball team.  He's not someone that's going to dominate.  You hope that he can win half his games.  Basically, you just want him to go out there and eat up some innings.  To me, that's what Jeff Green does; he can play for a while and not really hurt you, but he's not really adding a lot either.  He's pretty invisible.

And to those who are expecting huge improvement...  why?  He's played four full seasons - and gotten tons of playing time during those seasons (no "redshirt years," like AB last season).  Pretty sure he was at Georgetown for three years.  He'll be 26 by the time next season rolls around. 

Plus, he hasn't shown any improvement since his second season.  His TS% was pretty much identical in his fourth season (averaging OKC and Boston) as it was in his second.  His rebounding (never good) has gotten slightly worse.  PER's a flawed stat, but for what it's worth, it's gotten slightly worse.

Why's he suddenly going to morph into something better?  He's been pretty much the same player for each of his past three seasons - where's the catalyst for him to suddenly take the leap?

I hope Jeff Green does well, but let's forget that he was a #5 overall pick and think about the player that he's proven to be.  He's not terrible, but he's also not Paul Pierce's heir apparent.

He is a role player.  A starting SF as a 4th option.  


He was a bad fit for the Celtics.

Why was he a bad fit on the C's?  Was he a bad fit on the Thunder as well?  What team would he be a good fit on?

It's probably a matter of semantics, but I think of a "role player" as someone who does one thing specifically well.  Stiemer is a role player; he blocks shots and grabs rebounds.  Eddie House was a role player; he can in and shot 3's.

Green does a little bit of everything, nothing particularly well and nothing particularly poorly.  That's just a bench player, IMHO.  I really think, in this day and age, you need to have a stronger scoring presence from your starting SF.

Green's a bench player; not a deep-bench player, he's a guy who can be a 25MPG reserve, but I just don't see him as someone you really want in a starting role.  Or more specially, if he IS your starter, you're going to be looking for ways to improve that position.

He was a bad fit because the way he was able to put up decent numbers in OKC was to play 35 minutes a game at the three spot. He came here and our best player at the time was playing his position. We needed someone to back up Pierce for 15 minutes a game, play good defense and hit threes. Green isnt great at either, especially in limited minutes...We didnt need to blow up our starting line up for a young potential guy. There were plenty of players out there that could have backed up Pierce while keeping our starters in tact.

[slamtheking]

tough call but I'd go with Green.

Perk would have been invaluable when JO and Wilcox went down but the KG stepping in as the Center, having Green to come off the bench to either be the starting PF (and leave Bass to come off the bench) or be the supersub playing either forward spot would have been a big help.  Would have made it easier to get by Atlanta and Philly and possibly been enough to get by Miami.

[wdleehi]

tough call but I'd go with Green.

Perk would have been invaluable when JO and Wilcox went down but the KG stepping in as the Center, having Green to come off the bench to either be the starting PF (and leave Bass to come off the bench) or be the supersub playing either forward spot would have been a big help.  Would have made it easier to get by Atlanta and Philly and possibly been enough to get by Miami.

Green is not a good PF.  And it would not have helped the Celtics problems when KG went to the bench. 


In all those series, it was when KG was off the floor that the Celtics were killed. 

[the_Bird]

I don't disagree that he was a bad fit for what the C's needed.  I just don't buy that the "bad fit" argument holds any merit, because he was pretty much the same player he was in Boston as he was in OKC.  In OKC, he WAS playing a different role; starting, playing 37MPG, playing as a third or fourth scoring option.  Playing PF in OKC, mostly SF in Boston.

Two different teams, two different roles, essentially the same performance.

[CelticsFanNC]

  The Celtic's were pretty terrible early this season when JO was starting with KG, PP, RA and Rondo because we were old and slow.  Once Doc added Bradley and Bass to the starting line up we became more athletic and much faster/quicker.

  Perkins while not old is still very slow and a complete liability on offense which is where we really struggled at times.  Green is a better, more complete version of Bass.

 No question this team would have fared better with Green then with Perkins.  

[BostonNative]

neither Perk is a stooge. like guys cmon watch this guy play he has no stamina. He walks on the majority of his plays yall have to WATCH this guy.

Green did nothing for us but yet everyone wants  him? I dont like him i feel like we need to go a different direction.

And Jesus Christ Mickael Pietrus SUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKs! he is no poesy nowhere near his caliber stop disrespecting posey!

This dude was missing just abut every 3pt shot rather open or not! he avg 3 freaking points per game in the playoffs!

Was shooting less than 20% from three yes LESS THAN 20%! AND WAS LESS THAN 30$ FROM THE FIELD!!! TRASH!!!!!

[BC1996]

Alright so I most of us are in agreement that we would have wanted Perk instead of Green for this season. 

Here's the real question though.  How many would have wanted Danny to sign Perk to a 4 year extension at over $8 Million per year?

This just goes back to my original point.  As interesting as it is to wonder how the team would have fared with Perk, he simply wasn't going to be on the roster this year regardless.

[wdleehi]

Alright so I most of us are in agreement that we would have wanted Perk instead of Green for this season. 

Here's the real question though.  How many would have wanted Danny to sign Perk to a 4 year extension at over $8 Million per year?

This just goes back to my original point.  As interesting as it is to wonder how the team would have fared with Perk, he simply wasn't going to be on the roster this year regardless.

I would have rather the team sign and traded him this offseason and actually have something on the floor to show for it.