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Re: Top players to build around.
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 03:10:58 AM »

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Rondo's a bit difficult.  As one of a multi-star team, he doesn't create those Durant-Westbrook, James/Wade scoring clashes, so you like having Rondo as one of your stars.  On the other hand, I would say that a ball-dominant scoring wing who isn't a good three point shooter is probably a bad choice of a star to be paired with Rondo.

So, if you believe you need to have multiple stars to contend for a championship, building a team with a Rondo probably means you avoid pairing him with iso-ball stars whose skills are similar to Kobe Bryant or Carmelo Anthony or Dwyane Wade.

I'd argue that if you wanted to build a team around Rondo, you should look for a good big man and a wing who can pass and shoot threes.

So, basically, the key to building around Rondo is probably finding a star SG or SF who has many of the same strengths as Paul Pierce.  I think the end result is that it is harder to build around Rondo, but if you find a second (and third) star who fits him perfectly, you can attain higher highs than surrounding some equal players with the same level of talent.
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Re: Top players to build around.
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2012, 03:33:11 AM »

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Rondo's a bit difficult.  As one of a multi-star team, he doesn't create those Durant-Westbrook, James/Wade scoring clashes, so you like having Rondo as one of your stars.  On the other hand, I would say that a ball-dominant scoring wing who isn't a good three point shooter is probably a bad choice of a star to be paired with Rondo.

So, if you believe you need to have multiple stars to contend for a championship, building a team with a Rondo probably means you avoid pairing him with iso-ball stars whose skills are similar to Kobe Bryant or Carmelo Anthony or Dwyane Wade.

I'd argue that if you wanted to build a team around Rondo, you should look for a good big man and a wing who can pass and shoot threes.

So, basically, the key to building around Rondo is probably finding a star SG or SF who has many of the same strengths as Paul Pierce.  I think the end result is that it is harder to build around Rondo, but if you find a second (and third) star who fits him perfectly, you can attain higher highs than surrounding some equal players with the same level of talent.

I sound like a broken record but this team is not built around Rondo. I think Rondo got as much out of it as, say, Chris Paul would have. This team right now is a full on mid-range jump shooting team.

I keep coming to it but it's such an overlooked point: 39 year old Shaq.

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2012, 12:34:53 PM »

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Rondo's a bit difficult.  As one of a multi-star team, he doesn't create those Durant-Westbrook, James/Wade scoring clashes, so you like having Rondo as one of your stars.  On the other hand, I would say that a ball-dominant scoring wing who isn't a good three point shooter is probably a bad choice of a star to be paired with Rondo.

So, if you believe you need to have multiple stars to contend for a championship, building a team with a Rondo probably means you avoid pairing him with iso-ball stars whose skills are similar to Kobe Bryant or Carmelo Anthony or Dwyane Wade.

I'd argue that if you wanted to build a team around Rondo, you should look for a good big man and a wing who can pass and shoot threes.

So, basically, the key to building around Rondo is probably finding a star SG or SF who has many of the same strengths as Paul Pierce.  I think the end result is that it is harder to build around Rondo, but if you find a second (and third) star who fits him perfectly, you can attain higher highs than surrounding some equal players with the same level of talent.

  Pierce was an iso-ball star before Rondo's emergence. If Kobe or Melo had the right mindset they'd feast on the shots Rondo got for them. Wade probably wouldn't work that well, just like he and LeBron don't.

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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2012, 02:02:07 PM »

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Top Tier = LeBron, Wade, Durant and Dwight

Second tier = the point guards. Melo. Maybe Harden.

Third tier = Rudy Gay, Tony Parker, Chris Bosh, LaMarcus Aldridge, most of the other high level bigs ... those types.

Ignoring the likes of Kobe and Dirk due to age.

I'd much rather build around Rose or CP than Wade.  I think Wade is arguably on the same level as Melo (OK, slightly above).  Would NYK have been much better if you replaced Melo with Wade?  Would Miami be much worse?
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2012, 03:38:49 PM »

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Gortat? He's nice and entering his prime but I don't know if I'd put him in the top 40, never mind in the top 21.


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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2012, 03:41:10 PM »

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Honestly, i'd throw in jermery lin lol. Seriously, he can be the centerpiece to a team.

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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2012, 03:57:56 PM »

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  Pierce was an iso-ball star before Rondo's emergence. If Kobe or Melo had the right mindset they'd feast on the shots Rondo got for them. Wade probably wouldn't work that well, just like he and LeBron don't.


I love Pierce in part because he is the kind of guy who did make adjustments.  I don't want the Celtics to pick up a scoring star who a) isn't willing to subjugate his game to the team concept and b) doesn't have other skills so that he is still a very good player while playing within the system.  A player like that is hard to find.  Since you need to find a player like that to build around Rondo, building around Rondo is hard, but worth it if you can do it.
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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2012, 06:33:38 PM »

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A couple of you have complained about my putting Marcin Gortat on that list.  Look up his numbers.  He's an absolute beast.  That guy is flying so low under the radar.  I think my only mistake might have been not placing him higher.
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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2012, 07:07:39 PM »

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What's crazy about this list is that I think Cousins is going to make it in a couple years

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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2012, 08:41:52 PM »

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Build around...
1. Lebron James (god that is painful to type)
2. Kevin Durant
3. Dwight Howard
4. Derrick Rose (healthy)
5. Rajon Rondo
6. Chris Paul
7. Kevin Love
8. Tony Parker
9. Danilo Galinari
10. Russell Westbrook

I would take into consideration age, health and guys that do multiple things well.  Wade is very good but I feel he is a complimentary player more than a guy I'd build a team around.  If Rose can  come back to pre injury playing then he's #4, if not he wouldn't be in top 10, so much of his game is athletic ability.  See #9; I think you could build a team around Danilo

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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2012, 01:28:38 AM »

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My top ten:

1) LeBron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Dwight Howard
4) Kevin Love
5) Derrick Rose
6) Blake Griffin
7) Kyrie Irving
8) Chris Paul
9) Marc Gasol
10) Rajon Rondo (yeah, homer pick)

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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2012, 02:18:49 AM »

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Durant, kevin love and blake griffin, Westbrook, kyle Irving, (without injuries thats why i kept rose out)



maybe Gerald Green and BBD well . maybe not


dont get wrong the Brons and Wades of the world are old to build around
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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2012, 02:35:40 AM »

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Cleveland have a stud in Irving. Kid is going to be an insanely good player. I think he surprised everyone last year and considering he only played 8 college games. Has a scary high ceiling.

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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2012, 03:18:49 AM »

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Rondo's a bit difficult.  As one of a multi-star team, he doesn't create those Durant-Westbrook, James/Wade scoring clashes, so you like having Rondo as one of your stars.  On the other hand, I would say that a ball-dominant scoring wing who isn't a good three point shooter is probably a bad choice of a star to be paired with Rondo.

So, if you believe you need to have multiple stars to contend for a championship, building a team with a Rondo probably means you avoid pairing him with iso-ball stars whose skills are similar to Kobe Bryant or Carmelo Anthony or Dwyane Wade.

I'd argue that if you wanted to build a team around Rondo, you should look for a good big man and a wing who can pass and shoot threes.

So, basically, the key to building around Rondo is probably finding a star SG or SF who has many of the same strengths as Paul Pierce.  I think the end result is that it is harder to build around Rondo, but if you find a second (and third) star who fits him perfectly, you can attain higher highs than surrounding some equal players with the same level of talent.

  Pierce was an iso-ball star before Rondo's emergence. If Kobe or Melo had the right mindset they'd feast on the shots Rondo got for them. Wade probably wouldn't work that well, just like he and LeBron don't.


Or the right teammates. 'Melo played with AI, Chauncey Billups, and a rotating cast of "meh" in NYC. Not a pass-first point guard among them.

Kobe... well... Kobe played the triangle. Even if he hadn't, Fischer has been his most constant on-court co-guard.

I dunno if mindset is the right word, but its definitely habit at this point. I would love to see what would happen if you paired either of them with a floor general like Rondo. We all saw what happened with Paul (though Doc's influence can't be discounted).

You could still build a championship-caliber team around 'Melo. The Nuggets got to the finals. If the Knicks ever stop being the Knicks they could provide a serious threat to the East.

Kobe's probably too old.

Anyway, easiest player to build around is LeBron, hands-down no contest. He's an athletic force who can muscle his way to the rim at will, has an above-average jump shot, great passing skills, and is big enough to pull down rebounds. Oh, and his defense isn't too shabby (although a portion of that is how much he gets away with).

His biggest problem is his own head. So far he seems to be the most destructive when his team has a sizable lead, and he can "win the game" with a soul-crushing transition alley-oop. The kind that says "sorry team X, I know there's five minutes left on the clock, but I just pushed us to double digits with that slam, and we're winning this game."

(In fact, if you put him at the three and 'Melo at the four and a coach with the cojones to call them out, ala Stan Van, you'd have some serious damage to deal every game.)
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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2012, 01:57:32 PM »

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What's crazy about this list is that I think Cousins is going to make it in a couple years

Cousins was a top 5 C this year, maybe 3rd even, so not that crazy.  I am a big fan, obviously he's had his issues but he is a monster.

Better than Gortat to build around for sure.  The old Steve Nash inflation at work there.  Not that he's bad, but build around him?   ::)
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