trade idea Boston/Phoenix/Atlanta

[heitingas]

Ok with the rumour that Bass might opt in next season.

I read somewhere on realgm, that user named kerrsed (suns fan) that the Suns would do a trade involving just picks, our #21 and #22 for their #13.

Atlanta sends Boston Josh Smith and Marvin Williams, Bostons send them Brandon Bass and Suns #13.

Atlanta selects Rivers, Docs old team and gets Bass, and get's rid of Marvin's contract.

Boston get's a duo of Rondo Jsmoove, Phoenix get's 2 picks instead of 1 and possibly throwing in cash to Phoenix.

[dwayne celtic]

i like this trade a lot, would love for josh smith to play with rondo

[Smokeeye123]

why would Phoenix trade #13 for #21 and 22?

[BostonNative]

Ok with the rumour that Bass might opt in next season.

I read somewhere on realgm, that user named kerrsed (suns fan) that the Suns would do a trade involving just picks, our #21 and #22 for their #13.

Atlanta sends Boston Josh Smith and Marvin Williams, Bostons send them Brandon Bass and Suns #13.

Atlanta selects Rivers, Docs old team and gets Bass, and get's rid of Marvin's contract.

Boston get's a duo of Rondo Jsmoove, Phoenix get's 2 picks instead of 1 and possibly throwing in cash to Phoenix.

I'm confused so we getting rid of both picks and getting 2 players + 13th pick 0__o?

[heitingas]

why would Phoenix trade #13 for #21 and 22?

They would absolutely do it, 2 picks in early 20's in a strong draft supposedly, the question is if it's enough, they probably want a player. The most i'd offer them is JJJ.

If they want to dump Childress we'd back off.

[StarzNBarz]

yea but i think atl can get more for smith.

[wdleehi]

No.


I don't want Smith, he is overpayed.



I don't want Rivers on the team his father coaches.  I want that developmental time at SG to go to Bradley.

[action781]

No.


I don't want Smith, he is overpayed.



I don't want Rivers on the team his father coaches.  I want that developmental time at SG to go to Bradley.

In this proposted trade idea, the #13 pick (Rivers) would be going to Atlanta, not Boston.

Josh Smith overpaid?  1 year $13 million left for an all-star caliber player?  That's not that overpaid.  He's not even one of the top 30 paid players.  If he's going to demand more, then maybe he would be overpaid, but nobody has any definitive knowledge if that will happen or not. 

And I think Smith would really thrive in an up-tempo system with Rondo.  A ball-stopping system in Atlanta with Joe Johnson is the worst kind of system for a player like Smith that is currently getting the least out of his potential.

[jdub1660]

Only if we could get Michael Redd in a sign n trade
Assuming big 3 all retire

[Celtics34]

I like it not crazy about it because I think there are some other ways we can get better but id be happy with this if better deals couldnt be made.

Smith is a allstar. Hes one of the best defenders an REB an a great shot blocker. He runs the floor with the best of them ( bigmen). He has solid form on his shot an I believe he could become a knock down shooter. He would learn a ton from KG an wants to be here.

I would like the deal more if we can swing Marvin to the suns for Jared Dudley.

[wdleehi]

No.


I don't want Smith, he is overpayed.



I don't want Rivers on the team his father coaches.  I want that developmental time at SG to go to Bradley.

In this proposted trade idea, the #13 pick (Rivers) would be going to Atlanta, not Boston.

Josh Smith overpaid?  1 year $13 million left for an all-star caliber player?  That's not that overpaid.  He's not even one of the top 30 paid players.  If he's going to demand more, then maybe he would be overpaid, but nobody has any definitive knowledge if that will happen or not. 

And I think Smith would really thrive in an up-tempo system with Rondo.  A ball-stopping system in Atlanta with Joe Johnson is the worst kind of system for a player like Smith that is currently getting the least out of his potential.

If you make 13 million in the NBA, you better be a difference maker.


Josh Smith is a good player.  He is a fringe all-star.


If he was truly a 13 million a year player, we wouldn't have a tread suggesting it will take only a undersized journey man back up PF and two 20 something draft picks.


If he was truly a 13 million a year player, the Hawks would have been more then a pretender all those years.



Save the money for a going after a true star.  Not an over hyped over payed player.

[LooseCannon]

If he was truly a 13 million a year player, we wouldn't have a tread suggesting it will take only a undersized journey man back up PF and two 20 something draft picks.

There are always fans on the internet proposing that a pupu platter of crap can get you some major talent.

[Smokeeye123]

No.


I don't want Smith, he is overpayed.



I don't want Rivers on the team his father coaches.  I want that developmental time at SG to go to Bradley.

In this proposted trade idea, the #13 pick (Rivers) would be going to Atlanta, not Boston.

Josh Smith overpaid?  1 year $13 million left for an all-star caliber player?  That's not that overpaid.  He's not even one of the top 30 paid players.  If he's going to demand more, then maybe he would be overpaid, but nobody has any definitive knowledge if that will happen or not. 

And I think Smith would really thrive in an up-tempo system with Rondo.  A ball-stopping system in Atlanta with Joe Johnson is the worst kind of system for a player like Smith that is currently getting the least out of his potential.

If he really wants to be a Celtic so bad, maybe he would take less. 11? 12?

[action781]

No.


I don't want Smith, he is overpayed.



I don't want Rivers on the team his father coaches.  I want that developmental time at SG to go to Bradley.

In this proposted trade idea, the #13 pick (Rivers) would be going to Atlanta, not Boston.

Josh Smith overpaid?  1 year $13 million left for an all-star caliber player?  That's not that overpaid.  He's not even one of the top 30 paid players.  If he's going to demand more, then maybe he would be overpaid, but nobody has any definitive knowledge if that will happen or not. 

And I think Smith would really thrive in an up-tempo system with Rondo.  A ball-stopping system in Atlanta with Joe Johnson is the worst kind of system for a player like Smith that is currently getting the least out of his potential.

If you make 13 million in the NBA, you better be a difference maker.


Josh Smith is a good player.  He is a fringe all-star.


If he was truly a 13 million a year player, we wouldn't have a tread suggesting it will take only a undersized journey man back up PF and two 20 something draft picks.


If he was truly a 13 million a year player, the Hawks would have been more then a pretender all those years.



Save the money for a going after a true star.  Not an over hyped over payed player.

So you're saying Josh Smith isn't a difference maker?  I think you're confusing superstar and difference maker.  Josh Smith may not be able to "take over games" but he is definitely a difference maker IMO.

And plenty of "13 million players" have not only been rumored to be traded for pu pu platters as LooseCannon mentioned, but have indeed been traded for those pu pu platters.  See Ray Allen, KG, Pau Gasol who are worth way more than $13M and have been traded for barely more (or arguably less in the case of Pau before hindsight).

And regarding Atlanta's "pretender" status, I agree with you that they are pretenders.  But if you swap Rondo for Josh Smith and paid Rondo $13M, Atlanta would still be pretenders and Rondo would still be under or fairly paid, so I find that point to be moot.  You can't judge a player's worth by his team's success all the time.

And what are the chances of landing this true star?  I normally agree 100% with that logic, but I don't see a single non-PG true star that's obtainable in the next 2 offseasons.  If you can give me one that you think we have a good chance of landing, then I will very likely change my opinion.  I see no circumstance where Eric Gordon is worth $15M (which many people on this blog would drool over) but Josh Smith isn't worth $13M.

[Atzar]

Look, I know that this is a business, but this scenario really gives Bass the shaft.  He's talking about opting in because he likes Boston and wants to play here.  If he wanted to play elsewhere, he could opt out - and make more money over more years by doing so.  If he opted in only to be traded immediately afterward, that would be a big slap in the face to him.

Can't say I'm a fan of this one.