Doc,Ray,Rondo and KG calling out the refs after game 2

[SHAQATTACK]

I knew before this series started ...it would ALL ABOUT the refs and how fairly they called the series. ANd I KNEW THE CELTICS would be SCREWED.  PLAIN and SIMPLE.

I KNEW it would be called in favor of the "CROWD FAVORITE"  CHEAT  .....the refs were going to give most of the calls to the HOME CROWD , and the TWO BIG NAMES....I mean WADE and BRON won't forget them come XMAS ....I bet ....   Little something in their stocking for being GOOD REFS.

NOW ...... that the HEAT have gotten a huge if not insurmountable ADVANTAGE (thanks NBA refs) ....they willcall the NEXT GAME ....OBVIOUSLY in FAVOR of the CELTICS ...YOu see I;f I'm not correct  But the damage is DONE!!! The series has been swayed in favor of the HEAT ...via the refs.....and they will make up with a help game to the celtics.  

NBA league got the HEAT a huge lead and put the Celtics in a hole with their refs.  

Its no tdifferent than BOXING.... I see the CHAMP get his butt kicked  by the new kid on the block ... but the decision always goes to the "BIG NAME " big MONEY BOXER..... when anybody could see he got his tail kicked.

To take this championship away from the hEAT , it will take a team that can thoughly trouce the b-jesus out of them .  

DA SPURS.... can do this , they have the bench and depth to withstand the blantant NBA favorism given to BRON and Wade.  
Just like the MAVS.  

But Sterns main dream will come true to have the most POPULAR player in his finals and get those TV ratings sky high and ultimately sign a BETTER TV contract for next year and line his pockets all at the same time...wow SHAQ ...can it reall ywork like this.. .............

So there is no argueing the best team will win ultimately. Pop knows what it will take to overcome the handy cap of playing against STERNS HEATERS

You'll are welcome .

 

[LarBrd33]

Bad calls happen.  Part of the game.  Look... alls I'm saying is... anyone who legitimately believes that there is some pro-LeBron conspiracy to get the Heat into the Finals must also accept that there was a conspiracy in both 2008 and 2010 to get the Lakers and Celtics together for the ratings bonanza.  Essentially you are saying your 2008 title is tarnished.  Furthermore, you shouldn't be upset about this series at all... seeing as we BARELY beat LeBron in 08 (a 5 point victory in game 7) that was undoubtedly due to the Pro Boston/Pro Laker conspiracy.  If anything, we owe this to LeBron for screwing him out of a title back in 2008.  

IF you get past the conspiracy nonsense you realize that the Heat probably just got to the line more mainly because we fouled them more.

You're changing your argument.  You first said something about Boston's Game 4 comeback in '08 that shaky at best.  Now, your questioning the validity of the '08 and '10 Champs?  

DUde... i watched the game.  I'm not going to argue with you on that.  In that 24 point comeback it could be said that we GOT AWAY WITH MURDER against the Lakers. Perk and KG were swallowing them up every time they went towards the basket and the refs swallowed their whistles. (Edit:  I was using hyperbole here.  It was years ago.  I vaguely remember watching that game live and blushing... turning to my father and going, "Wow... they sure are letting us get away with murder here" to which he nodded his head and told me to be quiet.  As pointed out by 17wasEZ, Perk had already left the game with injury.  It was probably KG and Posey I was watching at the time)   Clean defense or a "fix"?  Debating with me on a game that happened 4 years ago is irrelevant.   Don't be dense.  My point clearly isn't that the Celtics owe their championship to the refs. My point is that the refs swing both ways and you shouldn't waste your [dang] time crying about them.  It is what it is.  We lost last night.  Nuff said.

[17wasEZ]

Bad calls happen.  Part of the game.  Look... alls I'm saying is... anyone who legitimately believes that there is some pro-LeBron conspiracy to get the Heat into the Finals must also accept that there was a conspiracy in both 2008 and 2010 to get the Lakers and Celtics together for the ratings bonanza.  Essentially you are saying your 2008 title is tarnished.  Furthermore, you shouldn't be upset about this series at all... seeing as we BARELY beat LeBron in 08 (a 5 point victory in game 7) that was undoubtedly due to the Pro Boston/Pro Laker conspiracy.  If anything, we owe this to LeBron for screwing him out of a title back in 2008.  

IF you get past the conspiracy nonsense you realize that the Heat probably just got to the line more mainly because we fouled them more.

You're changing your argument.  You first said something about Boston's Game 4 comeback in '08 that shaky at best.  Now, your questioning the validity of the '08 and '10 Champs?  

DUde... i watched the game.  I'm not going to argue with you on that.  In that 24 point comeback it could be said that we GOT AWAY WITH MURDER against the Lakers.  Perk and KG were swallowing them up every time they went towards the basket and the refs swallowed their whistles.  Clean defense or a "fix".   Don't be dense.  My point clearly isn't that the Celtics owe their championship to the refs. My point is that the refs swing both ways and you shouldn't waste your [dang] time crying about them.  It is what it is.  We lost last night.  Nuff said.

My man, Perkins went out early in the 3rd quarter in that game 4 with a shoulder injury and didn't return.  

From espn.com

LOS ANGELES -- Boston Celtics center Kendrick Perkins left Thursday night's Game 4 of the NBA Finals against the Los Angeles Lakers in the third quarter with a left shoulder strain.


Perkins
Perkins left the game with 9:35 left in the third after banging into Lakers forward Lamar Odom in the lane. Perkins walked off clutching his shoulder and was escorted to the locker room.

Perkins returned to the bench, and the team said he may return.

Perkins had two points and one rebound in 13 minutes, playing much of the game in foul trouble.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3440979

Actually, Boston was down 68-48 with 7:06 to go in the 3rd before they made their comeback.

Not being dense, just presenting FACTS!

[LarBrd33]

Bad calls happen.  Part of the game.  Look... alls I'm saying is... anyone who legitimately believes that there is some pro-LeBron conspiracy to get the Heat into the Finals must also accept that there was a conspiracy in both 2008 and 2010 to get the Lakers and Celtics together for the ratings bonanza.  Essentially you are saying your 2008 title is tarnished.  Furthermore, you shouldn't be upset about this series at all... seeing as we BARELY beat LeBron in 08 (a 5 point victory in game 7) that was undoubtedly due to the Pro Boston/Pro Laker conspiracy.  If anything, we owe this to LeBron for screwing him out of a title back in 2008.  

IF you get past the conspiracy nonsense you realize that the Heat probably just got to the line more mainly because we fouled them more.

This is a total strawman argument. You don't have to think there is a conspiracy in place to recognize that the celtics probably win last night if the officiating was fair.

As for Lebron:
Michael Jordan, who many people always thought got the benefit of calls from refs, would have to come back and play a little over 500 games without committing a single foul in order to reach Lebron's foul per game career average. Alternatively, Lebron would have to foul out, if I remember my math correctly, of the next 136 regular season games for his foul per game average to reach Jordan's.

This is stupid.  I'm done arguing with you people about this.  Blame it on the refs.  Don't care.

Are we crying about how many times Bron got to the line or how little times Boston got to the line?  I chalk up the free throw discrepancy to style of play (as mentioned in a previous post).  When the majority of our offense comes off wide open shots (Rondo got to the line 12 times, but most of his stuff was on jumpers last night), there isn't a lot of opportunity for fouls.  WE're swinging the ball around and finding open men or Rondo is pulling up for an open jumper.  Meanwhile Miami is creating their own shots and attacking the rim.  Naturally, there is going to be a free throw difference.

FYI, Jordan averaged about 2.4 fouls per game for his career.  LeBron averages about 2 fouls per game.  Whatever.  Don't care.

Pierce in his prime got to the line as much as LeBron (in 05-06 he averaged 10 free throws a game).   Bron averages around 9 for his career.  Obviously the dude gets to the line often.  He's 6'9 and 250 pounds of pure athleticism.  Sometimes all you can do when that freight train is coming full-steam at you is to hack him as hard as possible.  Shoot, Shaq in his prime went to the line 13 times a game.  It makes sense.  It's the style of play.  Jordan when he was a high-flying rim-attacking athletic god back in the late 80s once averaged 12 free throws per game for a season.  As he got older and became more of a shooter that number dropped as low as 7.  

24 free throws might be a lot.  Might be because we were playing crazy defense on him.  Bron only shot 35% last night.  We did a good job on him and tried to keep him out of rhythm.  We had to foul him a lot.  If I had patience I'd take video of the game and edit out only the "fouls" that sent LeBron to the line.  I'd guess most of them were blatant fouls.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Bad calls happen.  Part of the game.  Look... alls I'm saying is... anyone who legitimately believes that there is some pro-LeBron conspiracy to get the Heat into the Finals must also accept that there was a conspiracy in both 2008 and 2010 to get the Lakers and Celtics together for the ratings bonanza.  Essentially you are saying your 2008 title is tarnished.  Furthermore, you shouldn't be upset about this series at all... seeing as we BARELY beat LeBron in 08 (a 5 point victory in game 7) that was undoubtedly due to the Pro Boston/Pro Laker conspiracy.  If anything, we owe this to LeBron for screwing him out of a title back in 2008.  

IF you get past the conspiracy nonsense you realize that the Heat probably just got to the line more mainly because we fouled them more.

This is a total strawman argument. You don't have to think there is a conspiracy in place to recognize that the celtics probably win last night if the officiating was fair.

As for Lebron:
Michael Jordan, who many people always thought got the benefit of calls from refs, would have to come back and play a little over 500 games without committing a single foul in order to reach Lebron's foul per game career average. Alternatively, Lebron would have to foul out, if I remember my math correctly, of the next 136 regular season games for his foul per game average to reach Jordan's.

This is stupid.  I'm done arguing with you people about this.  Blame it on the refs.  Don't care.

Are we crying about how many times Bron got to the line or how little times Boston got to the line?  I chalk up the free throw discrepancy to style of play (as mentioned in a previous post).  When the majority of our offense comes off wide open shots (Rondo got to the line 12 times, but most of his stuff was on jumpers last night), there isn't a lot of opportunity for fouls.  WE're swinging the ball around and finding open men or Rondo is pulling up for an open jumper.  Meanwhile Miami is creating their own shots and attacking the rim.  Naturally, there is going to be a free throw difference.

FYI, Jordan averaged about 2.4 fouls per game for his career.  LeBron averages about 2 fouls per game.  Whatever.  Don't care.

Pierce in his prime got to the line as much as LeBron (in 05-06 he averaged 10 free throws a game).   Bron averages around 9 for his career.  Obviously the dude gets to the line often.  He's 6'9 and 250 pounds of pure athleticism.  Sometimes all you can do when that freight train is coming full-steam at you is to hack him as hard as possible.  Shoot, Shaq in his prime went to the line 13 times a game.  It makes sense.  It's the style of play.  Jordan when he was a high-flying rim-attacking athletic god back in the late 80s once averaged 12 free throws per game for a season.  As he got older and became more of a shooter that number dropped as low as 7.  

24 free throws might be a lot.  Might be because we were playing crazy defense on him.  Bron only shot 35% last night.  We did a good job on him and tried to keep him out of rhythm.  We had to foul him a lot.  If I had patience I'd take video of the game and edit out only the "fouls" that sent LeBron to the line.  I'd guess most of them were blatant fouls.

Like I said in another thread, I guarantee you I can take many games from Brinda's career and find enough fouls to more than foul him out of a game but as you know, he never has!

[LarBrd33]

Bad calls happen.  Part of the game.  Look... alls I'm saying is... anyone who legitimately believes that there is some pro-LeBron conspiracy to get the Heat into the Finals must also accept that there was a conspiracy in both 2008 and 2010 to get the Lakers and Celtics together for the ratings bonanza.  Essentially you are saying your 2008 title is tarnished.  Furthermore, you shouldn't be upset about this series at all... seeing as we BARELY beat LeBron in 08 (a 5 point victory in game 7) that was undoubtedly due to the Pro Boston/Pro Laker conspiracy.  If anything, we owe this to LeBron for screwing him out of a title back in 2008. 

IF you get past the conspiracy nonsense you realize that the Heat probably just got to the line more mainly because we fouled them more.

You're changing your argument.  You first said something about Boston's Game 4 comeback in '08 that shaky at best.  Now, your questioning the validity of the '08 and '10 Champs? 

DUde... i watched the game.  I'm not going to argue with you on that.  In that 24 point comeback it could be said that we GOT AWAY WITH MURDER against the Lakers.  Perk and KG were swallowing them up every time they went towards the basket and the refs swallowed their whistles.  Clean defense or a "fix".   Don't be dense.  My point clearly isn't that the Celtics owe their championship to the refs. My point is that the refs swing both ways and you shouldn't waste your [dang] time crying about them.  It is what it is.  We lost last night.  Nuff said.

My man, Perkins went out early in the 3rd quarter in that game 4 with a shoulder injury and didn't return. 

From espn.com... etc

LOL... TP for you, brotha.  You got me on that one.  I didn't go back and research it.  It was 4 years ago.  I just explicitly remember watching that game live (it was years ago) and thinking to myself, "wow... we are playing absolutely ferocious and the refs are letting us get away with murder.  Awesome!"... I just threw Perk's name in there.  Must have been KG and Posey that I was seeing at the time.  Details.  You love them irrelevant details...

DUde it's one examples of countless examples.  We're both Boston fans.  Everyone on this forum has a massive bias.  Go poll some other fanbases on whether or not Boston gets favorable calls.  They will whine your ears off for hours.  Every fanbase in the league outside of Boston thinks we're a bunch of dirty frontrunning punks lead by "evil" Kevin Garnett and have David Stern in our pocket.  I'm just the only Celtic fan here brave enough to play devil's advocate.  Perhaps that 24 point comeback was a bad example.  You're intentionally ignoring my overall point to harp on details.  Fact is:  IT goes both ways. It all evens out.  There absolutely is no conspiracy to hold us down.  We'll probably get a bunch of questionably favorable calls in the next game and you will not even notice.  You only notice the bad ones that hurt your team... not the bad ones that help your team.  Trust me... there have been PLENTY

-LarBrd33 Out.

[Neurotic Guy]

I disagree with LarBrd33 in that the officiating issue is worthy of discussion. Whether you think there was intended bias or not, the stats show that Miami got significantly fewer calls.  That doesn't mean the refs are working for Miami, but it does create the  basis for legitimate discussion. 

However, I will agree with a point inferred in one of LarBrd33's posts:  Lebron and Wade get calls, in part, because they are better players.  Guys who are bigger, stronger, more coordinated, jump higher, are more agile, quicker, faster get more calls simply because they actually do get fouled more often.  If you have ever played against a more skilled opponent you would  have to acknowledge that you foul them more than they foul you.  Lebron, Dwayne, Michael, Kobe, Larry, Magic are better than the guys they play against on  most nights.  This may not explain the differential entirely, but it is part of the equation.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I disagree with LarBrd33 in that the officiating issue is worthy of discussion. Whether you think there was intended bias or not, the stats show that Miami got significantly fewer calls.  That doesn't mean the refs are working for Miami, but it does create the  basis for legitimate discussion. 

However, I will agree with a point inferred in one of LarBrd33's posts:  Lebron and Wade get calls, in part, because they are better players.  Guys who are bigger, stronger, more coordinated, jump higher, are more agile, quicker, faster get more calls simply because they actually do get fouled more often.  If you have ever played against a more skilled opponent you would  have to acknowledge that you foul them more than they foul you.  Lebron, Dwayne, Michael, Kobe, Larry, Magic are better than the guys they play against on  most nights.  This may not explain the differential entirely, but it is part of the equation.

Yea, like how agile Lebrinda was when he was trapped by two NYK players and he was falling out of bounds and flailed as if he was hit... as the video clearly shows (too lazy and don't care enough to find it)... NO ONE touched him, that's just one example, imagine if I cared enough to look how many I could find. I agree, stars get calls (I personally think everyone should be called equally, even my team's players), doesn't mean they have to then also give them calls when no one touches them, just because he (anyone) is a star! I mean those players didn't even breathe on him!! Listen, I understand when things happen fast, officials mistake a call, but no one needed to see a replay to see he wasn't close to being touched! I am not a fan of the NYK, so all I could do was shake my head and laugh it was so bad!

[dlpin]

This is stupid.  I'm done arguing with you people about this.  Blame it on the refs.  Don't care.

Are we crying about how many times Bron got to the line or how little times Boston got to the line?  I chalk up the free throw discrepancy to style of play (as mentioned in a previous post).  When the majority of our offense comes off wide open shots (Rondo got to the line 12 times, but most of his stuff was on jumpers last night), there isn't a lot of opportunity for fouls.  WE're swinging the ball around and finding open men or Rondo is pulling up for an open jumper.  Meanwhile Miami is creating their own shots and attacking the rim.  Naturally, there is going to be a free throw difference.

FYI, Jordan averaged about 2.4 fouls per game for his career.  LeBron averages about 2 fouls per game.  Whatever.  Don't care.

Pierce in his prime got to the line as much as LeBron (in 05-06 he averaged 10 free throws a game).   Bron averages around 9 for his career.  Obviously the dude gets to the line often.  He's 6'9 and 250 pounds of pure athleticism.  Sometimes all you can do when that freight train is coming full-steam at you is to hack him as hard as possible.  Shoot, Shaq in his prime went to the line 13 times a game.  It makes sense.  It's the style of play.  Jordan when he was a high-flying rim-attacking athletic god back in the late 80s once averaged 12 free throws per game for a season.  As he got older and became more of a shooter that number dropped as low as 7.  

24 free throws might be a lot.  Might be because we were playing crazy defense on him.  Bron only shot 35% last night.  We did a good job on him and tried to keep him out of rhythm.  We had to foul him a lot.  If I had patience I'd take video of the game and edit out only the "fouls" that sent LeBron to the line.  I'd guess most of them were blatant fouls.

No, actually stupid is ignoring the point that has been made several times that the celtics drove to the basket as much as the heat. In fact, the most controversial non call of the night was when, gasp, Rondo drove to the basket and got fouled.

Do people go overboard with conspiracy stuff? Sure. But in an overtime game, literally just one call going our way would have altered the result of the game.

As for whether it is "making excuses" or not: WHO CARES? We are not players. We don't control practice or the game plan. Sure, Doc shouldn't dwell on the bad calls and should focus instead on what he can do to improve the team next game. But guess what: we are not Doc. All we can do is talk about the game. And several bad calls in a game that went to overtime is pretty consequential. Being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian is useless.

[LarBrd33]

Look I seriously need to bail on this conversation, because I've already wasted hours (no worries, my boss didn't catch me) debating with you guys and I could probably waste hours more continuing to do so.

Here's all I want to say and the general point I'm trying to convey.   Go ahead and search Youtube and you'll find plenty of videos (on both sides) supposedly showing referee bias favoring Boston or our opponent.  Here's one example:

Game 2 of the 2008 NBA Finals with the title "Horrible Officiating 2008 NBA Finals game 2".  It's from some wha-wha Laker fans who claim the game was fixed in our favor.

Great footage of showing the referee bias in the Celtics favor. Video by CaCHooKa Man of Clublakers.com. One of the worst officiating jobs in the NBA. Clearly shows the non-calls on the Celtics, and all the silly touch calls called on the Lakers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUtf6-avo2c

Now, the funny thing is... You'll probably watch this video and say to yourself, "What are you talking about?  That's not bias at all!".  That's looking at things with green-tinted glasses, if you ask me.  Ref calls can go either way.  Every other game some fanbase is whining about how the refs "screwed" them.  I'm sick of it.  I know some calls have hurt us.  Some calls have helped us.  It all evens out in the end, I think.  There's no overarching conspiracy... it just happens.

[dlpin]

Look I seriously need to bail on this conversation, because I've already wasted hours (no worries, my boss didn't catch me) debating with you guys and I could probably waste hours more continuing to do so.

Here's all I want to say and the general point I'm trying to convey.   Go ahead and search Youtube and you'll find plenty of videos (on both sides) supposedly showing referee bias favoring Boston or our opponent.  Here's one example:

Game 2 of the 2008 NBA Finals with the title "Horrible Officiating 2008 NBA Finals game 2".  It's from some wha-wha Laker fans who claim the game was fixed in our favor.

Great footage of showing the referee bias in the Celtics favor. Video by CaCHooKa Man of Clublakers.com. One of the worst officiating jobs in the NBA. Clearly shows the non-calls on the Celtics, and all the silly touch calls called on the Lakers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUtf6-avo2c

Now, the funny thing is... You'll probably watch this video and say to yourself, "What are you talking about?  That's not bias at all!".  That's looking at things with green-tinted glasses, if you ask me.  Ref calls can go either way.  Every other game some fanbase is whining about how the refs "screwed" them.  I'm sick of it.  I know some calls have hurt us.  Some calls have helped us.  It all evens out in the end, I think.  There's no overarching conspiracy... it just happens.

I still don't understand the point. The refs made bad calls for the celtics in the past, therefore there were no bad calls on yesterday's game?

And I am pretty sure whatever tint one's glasses are, what Wade did to Rondo was a blatant foul.

[17wasEZ]

Bad calls happen.  Part of the game.  Look... alls I'm saying is... anyone who legitimately believes that there is some pro-LeBron conspiracy to get the Heat into the Finals must also accept that there was a conspiracy in both 2008 and 2010 to get the Lakers and Celtics together for the ratings bonanza.  Essentially you are saying your 2008 title is tarnished.  Furthermore, you shouldn't be upset about this series at all... seeing as we BARELY beat LeBron in 08 (a 5 point victory in game 7) that was undoubtedly due to the Pro Boston/Pro Laker conspiracy.  If anything, we owe this to LeBron for screwing him out of a title back in 2008. 

IF you get past the conspiracy nonsense you realize that the Heat probably just got to the line more mainly because we fouled them more.

You're changing your argument.  You first said something about Boston's Game 4 comeback in '08 that shaky at best.  Now, your questioning the validity of the '08 and '10 Champs? 

DUde... i watched the game.  I'm not going to argue with you on that.  In that 24 point comeback it could be said that we GOT AWAY WITH MURDER against the Lakers.  Perk and KG were swallowing them up every time they went towards the basket and the refs swallowed their whistles.  Clean defense or a "fix".   Don't be dense.  My point clearly isn't that the Celtics owe their championship to the refs. My point is that the refs swing both ways and you shouldn't waste your [dang] time crying about them.  It is what it is.  We lost last night.  Nuff said.

My man, Perkins went out early in the 3rd quarter in that game 4 with a shoulder injury and didn't return. 

From espn.com... etc

LOL... TP for you, brotha.  You got me on that one.  I didn't go back and research it.  It was 4 years ago.  I just explicitly remember watching that game live (it was years ago) and thinking to myself, "wow... we are playing absolutely ferocious and the refs are letting us get away with murder.  Awesome!"... I just threw Perk's name in there.  Must have been KG and Posey that I was seeing at the time.  Details.  You love them irrelevant details...

DUde it's one examples of countless examples.  We're both Boston fans.  Everyone on this forum has a massive bias.  Go poll some other fanbases on whether or not Boston gets favorable calls.  They will whine your ears off for hours.  Every fanbase in the league outside of Boston thinks we're a bunch of dirty frontrunning punks lead by "evil" Kevin Garnett and have David Stern in our pocket.  I'm just the only Celtic fan here brave enough to play devil's advocate.  Perhaps that 24 point comeback was a bad example.  You're intentionally ignoring my overall point to harp on details.  Fact is:  IT goes both ways. It all evens out.  There absolutely is no conspiracy to hold us down.  We'll probably get a bunch of questionably favorable calls in the next game and you will not even notice.  You only notice the bad ones that hurt your team... not the bad ones that help your team.  Trust me... there have been PLENTY

-LarBrd33 Out.

Cool.  I understand your point to a degree, but I am willing to go a little farther with the facts as I see presented.  

When I watched last night's game, I felt Boston was getting called for too many bs calls away from the basket that led to Miami being in the bonus in each quarter.  That affects how a team plays defense too.  Once Boston has 3 or 4 fouls in a quarter, Miami can be more aggressive in attacking the basket and the Celtics have to be less aggressive with their perimeter defense as well as protecting the rim.

If Boston was called for a couple of less fouls away from the ball or the basket early in a quarter, that just means less FTs for Miami later in the quarter on non-shooting fouls.

In essence, I felt the referees were too quick on their whistles against our guys.

[cman88]

the celtics drove the line 26 times, the same amount of the heat...yet the Heat got twice as many fouls...i'm not sure how you dont see a bias in that??

I just want the games to be called fair both ways. If you want to allow the teams to bang and fight it out thats fine. but dont let one team get called for touch fouls in the lane, and the other get mugged for no calls.

if you get smacked in the face while going for a layup its a foul----FACT (rondo last night)

if you fall out of bounds with no one touching you, it is NOT a foul-----FACT (lebron did this against the knicks)

you play physical defense, yet only get 6Techs called on you while your opponents have 27...

Im not sure how any person who watches heat games(or basketball games in general) cant see that Lebron(and the Heat) are gifted a large freethrow and foul advantage...sure there are legit fouls on them. but there are also alot of "phantom calls" gifted them


REALLY good and deep teams like the Mavs(last year) and the Spurs(hopefully this year) can overcome that....the celtics unfortunately are banged up and missing bodies to the point that Rondo has to play 53minutes.

doesnt change the fact though that last night was stolen from us because of poor officiating

 

[D Dub]

Doesn't really matter what any of us think.

Problem is, the CELTICS think they got jobbed.  From JJJ all the way up to DAinge.  Their competative spirit has been sapped by a percieved bias.  

At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

[Celtics4ever]

I propose if we are eliminated we boycott the finals or get a movement going.

How about you kick a man it should be a foul.

Violent acts of any nature on the court will not be tolerated. Players involved in altercations will be ejected, fined and/or suspended.

Officials have been instructed to eject a player who throws a punch, whether or not it connects, or an elbow which makes contact above shoulder level. If elbow contact is shoulder level or below, it shall be left to the discretion of the official as to whether the player is ejected. Even if a punch or an elbow goes undetected by the officials during the game, but is detected during a review of a videotape, that player will be penalized.

There is absolutely no justification for fighting in an NBA game. The fact that you may feel provoked by another player is not an acceptable excuse. If a player takes it upon himself to retaliate, he can expect to be subject to appropriate penalties.

We all know Wade will not be penalized for kicking at KG.

How about these rules for LeBron.  They don't apply to him.

Section XIV-Traveling
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultane- ously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.
The second occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot.
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.
f. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player's hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
h. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.
i. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the sideline, nearest spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.