I'm glad we let Perk go

[Bankshot]

OKC got Perk to beat the Lakers. Mission accomplished.

So they only cared about beating the Lakers and don't care about beating other teams?  What about winning a championship?

[GreenFaith1819]

OKC got Perk to beat the Lakers. Mission accomplished.

So they only cared about beating the Lakers and don't care about beating other teams?  What about winning a championship?

Ask Scott Brooks.

Any time you sit Serge for and extended amount of time (like he did in game 1), and then you ask Perk to post up and score like that?

Just baffling, to say the least...and I think Brooks is one of the best coaches out there.

But he is getting out-coached here, a bit.

"I'm Scott Brooks, and I haven't asked Perk to post up ALL SEASON....and now all of a sudden I'm asking him to do that vs an 2005-06 Tim Duncan?"

[snively]

Put it this way: if we had a healthy Jeff Green, Krstic and a potential late lottery pick in this draft, would you trade them for Perkins and Robinson (with one more year on his deal)?

As sick to my stomach as it made me to trade for OKC's soft frontcourt at the time, that was a great value for someone of Perk's limitations.

[pearljammer10]

Remember, we traded Perk & Nate for Jeff Green because the Magic were starting to self-destruct and the Heat weren't going to beat us in the low block*.

And believe it or not we could REALLY use Jeff Green right about now.

And believe it or not we could REALLY use Perkins right about now as well.

Lol, yeah we could REALLY use the 5 xtra fouls, which is all of what he would have to offer!

Exactly. Maybe his presence in the middle and those five fouls would get the celtics to stop playing like washed up pansies.

[Fafnir]

OKC got Perk to beat the Lakers. Mission accomplished.

So they only cared about beating the Lakers and don't care about beating other teams?  What about winning a championship?

Ask Scott Brooks.

Any time you sit Serge for and extended amount of time (like he did in game 1), and then you ask Perk to post up and score like that?

Just baffling, to say the least...and I think Brooks is one of the best coaches out there.

But he is getting out-coached here, a bit.

"I'm Scott Brooks, and I haven't asked Perk to post up ALL SEASON....and now all of a sudden I'm asking him to do that vs an 2005-06 Tim Duncan?"

He was trying to tire Duncan a bit and keep Perkins engaged I think.

Not a great thought in the end, but that's how I read it.

I don't think much of Brooks as a coach personally.

[Celts Fan 92]

god our offense would be even worse with Perk this year. Can you imagine a lineup this year with Rondo, a hurt Ray and Perk in there ? We would be lucky to score 70 points .

Perk is soo overrated by some people on here. Yes he is a very good one on one low post defender, he sucks at everything else.
-He can't score
-can't finish,
-can't shoot
-can't post up
- can't shoot ft's
-isn't very good covering the pick and roll
-grabs less than 5 rebs a game .

4 points 3 rebounds a game from a nearly 7 ft center?  I know ,I know you can't teach intangibles ....

Oh yea by the way Posey was on the court for the biggest minutes in the biggest games in 2008 with KG playing center, but that's ok ,we can rewrite history for our beloved perk

lol co-sign all dis dis board acted like we traded an all-star away when it happened $36 mil for 6ppg nd 6rpg at best man Danny won

[Vermont Green]

I remember the debates soon after "The Trade" and many that favored the trade assumed that time would tell.  Well time has told and the only reason that this trade is not going down as a steal by Boston is that Green had his heart problems.

Perk is not nearly as good as OKC thought.  I know that is speculation because I can't know that but I think it is a fair assumption.  DA gauged Perk's talent accurately, Presti didn't.  The main thing a GM is supposed to do is gauge talent.  In terms of Green, no one could have known about the heart problem.  Krystic going to Russia and the loss in value of the pick were both calculated risks that DA made and lost.

So best case we could have had Green and Krystic this year and a high pick someday.  Worst case (which is pretty much how it ended up) we get Green next year probably and a not so hot pick.  Oh and don't forget, we saved Nate's salary for 1.5 years.

Perk would probably be a back-up center on our team this year and if he did "start", he would be more ceremonial because he would still have a lesser role than Bass.  As a back-up yeah, he would probably be better than Steisma or Hollins.

I just don't see how you can criticize DA for this trade.

Not a big Sonics/Thunder fan are you? When they moved Jeff Green (who was their third leading scorer behind Westbrook and Durant at the time) they were able to give Ibaka and Harden way more minutes--and the effect was immediate.

Perk hardly played for them while recovering from the injury so if they did play better, it had nothing to do with Perk.  Maybe it was Nate Robinson.

[TheReaLPuba]

If Shaq didn't play as well as he did for us Perk wouldn't have been traded.

Plus Perk is playing hurt right now and still does a good job at his role.

He was never a gifted offensive player in the pros to begin with.

He's a solid one on one defender, great team leader and communicator on defense, and a presence in the paint.

Is KG and PP worth what we're paying them at this point?

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Perk probably does have a bad matchup against SA but the thing that stands out to me the most is how inept he is on offense. He couldn't even post up and finish against Boris Diaw! They were throwing him perfect passes downlow and he either traveled or came up empty every single time. I have never seen a big man travel nearly every time he receives the ball down low like Perk does.

Um Bynum was pretty much having a field day most games he tried (I actually believe he has a terrible mindset)... Perk wasn't stopping him! Now whoever had Gasol (I think Ibaka and Collison or w/e) did a good job of pretty much containing him! Perkins must have bad matchups every series?


I would actually like to still have Perk... not because of him necessarily, but because of KG (how well they work together) and also Perk's experience over Stiems! If KG is here next season I believe Stiems and Hollins (if still here) will be really good for us with more time to gel and be mentored by Genie (Williams too)!

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

If Shaq didn't play as well as he did for us Perk wouldn't have been traded.

Plus Perk is playing hurt right now and still does a good job at his role.

He was never a gifted offensive player in the pros to begin with.

He's a solid one on one defender, great team leader and communicator on defense, and a presence in the paint.

Is KG and PP worth what we're paying them at this point?

Yes KG is! PP, well, he is hurt but when he got his legs under him during the season, yes!

[OmarSekou]

It's obvious that getting rid of Perk was the right decision in retrospect. He's not worth the money he's paid and all the intangibles in the world won't make up for that.

But hypothetically, let's say if he stayed we know we would have won 1 more title. Would it still have been worth it to get rid of him?

[mctyson]

It's obvious that getting rid of Perk was the right decision in retrospect. He's not worth the money he's paid and all the intangibles in the world won't make up for that.

But hypothetically, let's say if he stayed we know we would have won 1 more title. Would it still have been worth it to get rid of him?

We do not know that we would have won the title last year with Perkins on the team.  Miami and Dallas  were not Orlando or LA from 2009 or 2010. 

[snively]

Is KG and PP worth what we're paying them at this point?

Not too far off.  KG, Pierce and Rondo have been the three-headed monster for this team thus far - all of them have been playing at an all-star level thus far.

It's Ray Allen that's not living up to his paycheck (not his fault).  That and the loss of $20 mil of player investment to injury (Green, Wilcox, JO and Bradley - $30 mil if you include Ray).  That has us relying on $4 mil Bass as a starter, $2 mil Dooling as the first guard off the bench, vet min Pietrus as the primary bench wing, and vet min Hollins and rookie scale Stiemsma as rotation cogs.

Not every team can expect to get supermax production out of submax contracts like the Heat have gotten with Wade and LeBron.

[OmarSekou]

It's obvious that getting rid of Perk was the right decision in retrospect. He's not worth the money he's paid and all the intangibles in the world won't make up for that.

But hypothetically, let's say if he stayed we know we would have won 1 more title. Would it still have been worth it to get rid of him?

We do not know that we would have won the title last year with Perkins on the team.  Miami and Dallas  were not Orlando or LA from 2009 or 2010. 

Right but we don't know that we wouldn't have. That's why I posed the hypothetical.

If we knew Jeff Green was going to have heart issues and Harden was going to be this good we probably would have tried to trade Perk for Harden straight up. It's easy to make the right know you've made the right decision after the fact.

So I'm saying if we had won a title with Perk, and then he fell off and we had to go into rebuild mode would people still be glad?

[D.o.s.]

I remember the debates soon after "The Trade" and many that favored the trade assumed that time would tell.  Well time has told and the only reason that this trade is not going down as a steal by Boston is that Green had his heart problems.

Perk is not nearly as good as OKC thought.  I know that is speculation because I can't know that but I think it is a fair assumption.  DA gauged Perk's talent accurately, Presti didn't.  The main thing a GM is supposed to do is gauge talent.  In terms of Green, no one could have known about the heart problem.  Krystic going to Russia and the loss in value of the pick were both calculated risks that DA made and lost.

So best case we could have had Green and Krystic this year and a high pick someday.  Worst case (which is pretty much how it ended up) we get Green next year probably and a not so hot pick.  Oh and don't forget, we saved Nate's salary for 1.5 years.

Perk would probably be a back-up center on our team this year and if he did "start", he would be more ceremonial because he would still have a lesser role than Bass.  As a back-up yeah, he would probably be better than Steisma or Hollins.

I just don't see how you can criticize DA for this trade.

Not a big Sonics/Thunder fan are you? When they moved Jeff Green (who was their third leading scorer behind Westbrook and Durant at the time) they were able to give Ibaka and Harden way more minutes--and the effect was immediate.

Perk hardly played for them while recovering from the injury so if they did play better, it had nothing to do with Perk.  Maybe it was Nate Robinson.

I think it had to do with the fact that they got Jeff Green out of the way and let Ibaka and Harden play more--and develop faster.

Also, Danny tried to get Harden first. Presti said no, and kept saying no until Danny threw up his hands and said "Fine, what about Jeff Green?"