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Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2012, 01:22:42 PM »

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Miami = 21 fouls
Boston = 19 fouls

Miami = 16 of 23 from the line
Boston = 11 of 21 from the line

Miami = 50% overall just 20% from three
Boston = 39.5% overall and 28.6% from three

Miami = 48 rebounds, 13 offensive
Boston = 33 rebounds, 10 offensive


It is clear why Boston lost this game and it had nothing to do with officiating.  This board needs to get over it and quit being whining crybabies, especially when it had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the game.  Miami just dominated Boston on the boards and hit their shots.  Boston did not.  Period.  End of discussion.

I find posts like this fairly irritating. Why do posters have to be called whining crybabies just because they do not share your opinion? Yours is not better than anyone else's.

No it is not clear that the officiating had nothing to do with the outcomes. So many things go into determining the outcomes of a game and yes the can officials influence that whether by the timing and type of fouls they call and who they call them on. Everyone one who watches the game can see that. Putting up fouls and FT attempts tells us little about the officiating last night and proves nothing. What is up for debate is how much it contributed to the loss and everyone's mileage will vary on that. 
I do get exasperated by people who think "Period" and "End of discussion" are valid points. While I agree with those who feel that the ref blamers have misplaced angst and that this game is not a good example of a highly ref-influenced outcome, brute force is a poor way to discuss.

Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2012, 01:32:32 PM »

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Miami = 21 fouls
Boston = 19 fouls

Miami = 16 of 23 from the line
Boston = 11 of 21 from the line

Miami = 50% overall just 20% from three
Boston = 39.5% overall and 28.6% from three

Miami = 48 rebounds, 13 offensive
Boston = 33 rebounds, 10 offensive


It is clear why Boston lost this game and it had nothing to do with officiating.  This board needs to get over it and quit being whining crybabies, especially when it had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the game.  Miami just dominated Boston on the boards and hit their shots.  Boston did not.  Period.  End of discussion.

I find posts like this fairly irritating. Why do posters have to be called whining crybabies just because they do not share your opinion? Yours is not better than anyone else's.

No it is not clear that the officiating had nothing to do with the outcomes. So many things go into determining the outcomes of a game and yes the can officials influence that whether by the timing and type of fouls they call and who they call them on. Everyone one who watches the game can see that. Putting up fouls and FT attempts tells us little about the officiating last night and proves nothing. What is up for debate is how much it contributed to the loss and everyone's mileage will vary on that. 
I do get exasperated by people who think "Period" and "End of discussion" are valid points. While I agree with those who feel that the ref blamers have misplaced angst and that this game is not a good example of a highly ref-influenced outcome, brute force is a poor way to discuss.
Yeah well you may be right, but after the plethora of posts about how the refs stole the game, the league is fixed, and I'm not watching any more I was a bit fed up, especially given the fairly equal nature of the fouls called and the foul shots awarded.  Seems like a pretty poor game to use as your example of the refs affecting the outcome with all things considered. 
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Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2012, 01:36:16 PM »

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Miami = 21 fouls
Boston = 19 fouls

Miami = 16 of 23 from the line
Boston = 11 of 21 from the line

Miami = 50% overall just 20% from three
Boston = 39.5% overall and 28.6% from three

Miami = 48 rebounds, 13 offensive
Boston = 33 rebounds, 10 offensive


It is clear why Boston lost this game and it had nothing to do with officiating.  This board needs to get over it and quit being whining crybabies, especially when it had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the game.  Miami just dominated Boston on the boards and hit their shots.  Boston did not.  Period.  End of discussion.

I find posts like this fairly irritating. Why do posters have to be called whining crybabies just because they do not share your opinion? Yours is not better than anyone else's.

No it is not clear that the officiating had nothing to do with the outcomes. So many things go into determining the outcomes of a game and yes the can officials influence that whether by the timing and type of fouls they call and who they call them on. Everyone one who watches the game can see that. Putting up fouls and FT attempts tells us little about the officiating last night and proves nothing. What is up for debate is how much it contributed to the loss and everyone's mileage will vary on that. 
I do get exasperated by people who think "Period" and "End of discussion" are valid points. While I agree with those who feel that the ref blamers have misplaced angst and that this game is not a good example of a highly ref-influenced outcome, brute force is a poor way to discuss.
Yeah well you may be right, but after the plethora of posts about how the refs stole the game, the league is fixed, and I'm not watching any more I was a bit fed up, especially given the fairly equal nature of the fouls called and the foul shots awarded.  Seems like a pretty poor game to use as your example of the refs affecting the outcome with all things considered. 
I understand your frustration.

Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2012, 02:18:50 PM »

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Miami = 21 fouls
Boston = 19 fouls

Miami = 16 of 23 from the line
Boston = 11 of 21 from the line

Miami = 50% overall just 20% from three
Boston = 39.5% overall and 28.6% from three

Miami = 48 rebounds, 13 offensive
Boston = 33 rebounds, 10 offensive


It is clear why Boston lost this game and it had nothing to do with officiating.  This board needs to get over it and quit being whining crybabies, especially when it had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the game.  Miami just dominated Boston on the boards and hit their shots.  Boston did not.  Period.  End of discussion.

I find posts like this fairly irritating. Why do posters have to be called whining crybabies just because they do not share your opinion? Yours is not better than anyone else's.

No it is not clear that the officiating had nothing to do with the outcomes. So many things go into determining the outcomes of a game and yes the can officials influence that whether by the timing and type of fouls they call and who they call them on. Everyone one who watches the game can see that. Putting up fouls and FT attempts tells us little about the officiating last night and proves nothing. What is up for debate is how much it contributed to the loss and everyone's mileage will vary on that. 
I do get exasperated by people who think "Period" and "End of discussion" are valid points. While I agree with those who feel that the ref blamers have misplaced angst and that this game is not a good example of a highly ref-influenced outcome, brute force is a poor way to discuss.
Yeah well you may be right, but after the plethora of posts about how the refs stole the game, the league is fixed, and I'm not watching any more I was a bit fed up, especially given the fairly equal nature of the fouls called and the foul shots awarded.  Seems like a pretty poor game to use as your example of the refs affecting the outcome with all things considered. 
I understand your frustration.

Man I just do not feel like working today, so here I go again with another post on CB :)

I also understand the frustration - it is annoying when people blame the refs instead of mentioning other faults (lousy FT shooting, some bad fouls, some questionable offensive decisions...). However, I will repeat my sentiments from other threads today.

The reffing in any game is not some set of numbers you can point to and say, "see, it was even!" There are many moments in a basketball game and each of them can be critical depending on the situation. Last night, what I saw (and I know many others did too) was a very strange syndrome where when the Celtics began to settle down and make some signs of a run, whistles blew. I also saw Lebron and Wade not get whistled once in the first half which is both logically doubtful and, from watching, clearly not because they didn't foul at all. They are both great defenders and are not going to be taking 3-4 fouls in the first half, but none? That was baloney.

In my opinion (which I should not have to say since this is a blog, but to be safe I will mention it) the refs clearly had either marching orders from on high to clamp down on Boston *or* they just decided among themselves to do it. Either way, there were some terribly obvious fouls committed by Miami that were completely ignored, but the same fouls by Boston got whistled. This is not tin-foil mentality - this is easily seen by watching a replay. This is also not confirmation bias, something I am very sensitive too and, I believe, responsible for the vast majority of "the refs hate us" claims.

I also want to repeat here before you misunderstand me: Boston was losing this game anyway. They did a great job in the 2nd quarter overcoming the issues from the 1st, the questionable fouls, etc.., That is the champions heart, refusing to collapse. But the Heat were too freed up in the 2nd half to play aggressive defense (sometimes excellent, sometimes with uncalled fouls) while the Celtics - who needed to play just that - could not. Once Boston was relegated to jump shots only, the game was over. The loss WAS NOT solely the fault of the refs, but the loss WAS contributed to by those same refs.

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Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2012, 02:29:32 PM »

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we lost this game cuz Miami was straight up more aggressive and we turned the ball over many many many many times. O did I mention we turned the ball over many times. It wasn't their defense. I saw a few times where Rondo could've passed it to an open man but decided to over pass it to KG or Bass and ended up turning the ball over. Our mistakes and lack of execution killed us in this game, especially in the 3rd quarter.

And missing FTs definitely helped the cause. Ray Allen missed 4 FTs. JVG was right when he said "I know you're injured, but I don't think the ankle will affect the FT shot that much"

Going into Game 2, I want to see a scoring Rondo. When Rondo and KG score, we are hard to beat. Cuz Pierce will still score his 15 pts no doubt. We need the whole team to step up.

At least I don't think Mike Miller will have another good shooting night. Just my opinion.

Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2012, 02:39:31 PM »

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Blaming the refs is for the weak minded.

Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2012, 02:45:20 PM »

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Blaming the refs is for the weak minded.


So is distilling an argument t a single line without adding any useful points
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Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2012, 02:47:26 PM »

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No one at all is blaming the refs for the loss. No one at all is denying that the Heat outplayed us. But getting emotional and calling out bad reffing (which it was) is part of being a fan. No need to act like your superior to everyone here.

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« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2012, 02:57:54 PM »

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The Celts definitely got a bit jobbed by the refs in the 1st half in particular, but didn't any rational Celtic fan expect as much after watching past playoff series vs LeBron, Kobe, Wade and others?

The refs were a factor last night, but a small one. The Celts didn't put together or execute a very strong game plan.

1) I think we're fortunate to be in the Eastern Finals.
2) I give the Celts a chance, but maybe a 1 in 10 type of chance to win this series. It will take our best effort, execution, coaching, hustle and mental toughness to make this a real series that we can win.
3) I'm excited we're still playing and have a chance to turn the tables next game.

As some of the writers put it, the Celts are playing on borrowed money. I agree and I'm okay with that.

Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2012, 03:10:21 PM »

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Blaming the refs is for the weak minded.


Weak minded is not seeing what is right in front of you. One only has to watch the game to see what went on, not look at a box score.  It is thoughts like this that let the refs do whatever they want. Refs were blindingly obvious in this one. I just want the reffing to be fair on both sides. And that clearly did not happen in key moments of the game.

Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2012, 03:11:38 PM »

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SPo -baby cried and whined to the NBA about LEbrickster not getting enough calls.  

He bought 25,000 worth of attention he drew he got wanted and got the refs on his side . I'm sure RIley was happy and gladely paid the fine...how dare the NBA let Le Brick get touched as he moves 275pds of 6'9" body flying though the air.

 10 year olds want to see THE SHOW and the SHOW is WADE and BRON flying though the air ...who are we to screw up this money making deal.. ::)

He knows the heats game depends on drawing fouls with their driving agressive offense. His team must get the majoriy of calls to win .

Last thing Spobotal unit wants is to let the teams PLAY , and thats exactly what Boston needs with their agressive defense.

I still say the outcomes are in the refs hands for THESE two teams more than any other,  one with agressive offsense and the other aggressive defense.

two present top 5 allstars will get more calls than has beens.

No win situation  

    

 


Re: Quit whining about the Refs. Miami was just better. Period.
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2012, 03:20:25 PM »

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We had 8 turnovers for the WHOLE game.  In what book is that many many many many times?  We did a good job limiting turnovers after the 1st quarter in game 1.  If we didn't we would have been run out of the gym by 30-40.

we lost this game cuz Miami was straight up more aggressive and we turned the ball over many many many many times. O did I mention we turned the ball over many times. It wasn't their defense. I saw a few times where Rondo could've passed it to an open man but decided to over pass it to KG or Bass and ended up turning the ball over. Our mistakes and lack of execution killed us in this game, especially in the 3rd quarter.

And missing FTs definitely helped the cause. Ray Allen missed 4 FTs. JVG was right when he said "I know you're injured, but I don't think the ankle will affect the FT shot that much"

Going into Game 2, I want to see a scoring Rondo. When Rondo and KG score, we are hard to beat. Cuz Pierce will still score his 15 pts no doubt. We need the whole team to step up.

At least I don't think Mike Miller will have another good shooting night. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2012, 03:37:51 PM »

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This is a fairly written piece, though some of the conclusions are a bit odd (see the section on Ray Allen).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1199690-heat-vs-celtics-are-nba-refs-hijacking-another-nba-playoff-series
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« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2012, 03:38:44 PM »

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We had 8 turnovers for the WHOLE game.  In what book is that many many many many times?  We did a good job limiting turnovers after the 1st quarter in game 1.  If we didn't we would have been run out of the gym by 30-40.

we lost this game cuz Miami was straight up more aggressive and we turned the ball over many many many many times. O did I mention we turned the ball over many times. It wasn't their defense. I saw a few times where Rondo could've passed it to an open man but decided to over pass it to KG or Bass and ended up turning the ball over. Our mistakes and lack of execution killed us in this game, especially in the 3rd quarter.

And missing FTs definitely helped the cause. Ray Allen missed 4 FTs. JVG was right when he said "I know you're injured, but I don't think the ankle will affect the FT shot that much"

Going into Game 2, I want to see a scoring Rondo. When Rondo and KG score, we are hard to beat. Cuz Pierce will still score his 15 pts no doubt. We need the whole team to step up.

At least I don't think Mike Miller will have another good shooting night. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2012, 03:45:17 PM »

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Even if the refs didn't show up for the game last night, the Celtics would have lost. So I don't think a lot of people are blaming the refs for why we lost. We lost because we were a lot worse than the Heat was. A lot worse.

That being said, I don't think its unfair to say some of the calls the refs made were remarkably horrible and at times their severity, timing and ticky-tackedness was one sided. They may have evened up the number of calls against the Heat by the end of the game, but they weren't as damaging to the Heat as it was the Celtics.
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