Rondo should be Ashamed of Himself!

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Yeah the I watched the game, I am just not sure if you did.  Wade and LJ are ELITE defenders.  Do you understand that?  The two were matched up against him a LOT in the 2nd half.  Wade and Lebron are probably almost as quick as RR and have way better hops and strength.  You have to understand the context and who we are playing and who is being defended by who before you start calling out Rondo.  Get a clue.

STATS dont support that it was Rondo's fault we lost the game.
16 points
9 rebounds
7 assists

8-20 from the field.  He was driving to the hoop. 

I really don't think Rondo played that bad or passively.  The heat have elite defenders that aren't very easy to take advantage of.  He did take the ball to the rim a number of times.  We just need to get better shots.  The heat's D is tough, and we need to find ways to get easier shots.

I think the 6-25 from PP/RA is the big problem from this game.  As well as the weak start / low energy of the start of the game.
I don't think you lay this loss on Rondo.  The stats certainly don't support it.

The stats don't support it?! He made one shot from outside the paint all game. He sat outside the three point line dribbling most of the 1st, third, and 4th quarters. He made no attempt to drive at Lebron and use his speed to create the mismatch and at least force them to adjust. That 2nd quarter where we played great he was going to the rim almost every time down the floor creating open shots for others or layups for himself. Did you not even watch the game?!

Thats right because Wade AND Lebron were guarding him at the same time... Rondo had the second worst +/- in the game barely behind PP. There's a reason for that. Sure he got a few long rebounds off of the outside jumpers everyone had to shoot since he was once again often dribbling out the shot clock. He was very good in the 2nd quarter at attacking and look at the results. After that he wasn't at all. Not sure why we can't acknowledge the fact that he once again took most of the game off. Yes Lebron is a good defender, however Rondo is a lot faster with better handles and forces defenders to help. This opens up shooters for OPEN jumpers which they knock down well vs. shooting with their man's hand in their face. (which we don't knock down well)

Either you are Rondo blind, Rondo himself, or maybe his mother?!

I don't care how faster he is than LeBron. Everytime he gets to the lane he gets trapped. There's always a defender waiting. Like I said, clearly it's his fault that Miami played great  against him. Ita his fault that even when he drives the lane he gets smothered by white jerseys. Its his fault that we he passes to someone who is open, they dont make em. Yep, blame it all on him. Not sure why you can't acknowledge te fact that Miami adjusted their defense in the 2nd half to clearly stop that Rondo drive.

[EJPLAYA]

I agree 100% he isn't to blame.  I thought he had a decent game.  But the guys need to actually MAKE their shots for Rondo to get an assist. I don't know what our FG % was for the 2nd half, but I am guessing it was below 40% maybe below 35%.  No one makes baskets, no assists for Rondo.

I think we need to get better shots, we need to keep pushing movement in our O sets.  There is a lot of standing around by the other 4 guys.  If you want good shots you have to:
1) move without the ball
2) set solid screens
3) be patient
4) share the ball / make the extra pass

This is really important against a great D team like the heat.
We just need to keep at it, and giving 100% to trying to get better looks.

I dont think Rondo is to blame for the loss at all in any way shape or form... He played an aggressive game and the rest of the team other than KG played pretty awful...However...


2 assists in the second half for Rondo.... That doesnt help his cause.

So you aren't willing to own up to the fact that the guy controls our offense and like the past 5 yrs the team's offense goes as Rondo's aggressiveness goes?! You aren't willing to admit that the shooting percentage of a wide open player who's man rotated to help a cutting Rondo is much much higher than one who in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock is launching a fade away with a hand in his face?!

Come on man. I love Rondo when he is being Rondo, but half the time he plays like the best PG in the game, and the other half like a 3rd tier player. How many times does Doc have to comment after games like that that we need him to be more aggressive attacking the basket to play well? Yes you may decide you want to rip my idea, but pretending that the guy was aggressive when he wasn't doesn't make any sense. So all the media guys and the coach are wrong as well?!

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Yes, you and anyone else who claims that Rondo was the reason we lost, and should take the blame is completely wrong.
Thanks for playing.  Bad thread, sorry.

I agree 100% he isn't to blame.  I thought he had a decent game.  But the guys need to actually MAKE their shots for Rondo to get an assist. I don't know what our FG % was for the 2nd half, but I am guessing it was below 40% maybe below 35%.  No one makes baskets, no assists for Rondo.

I think we need to get better shots, we need to keep pushing movement in our O sets.  There is a lot of standing around by the other 4 guys.  If you want good shots you have to:
1) move without the ball
2) set solid screens
3) be patient
4) share the ball / make the extra pass

This is really important against a great D team like the heat.
We just need to keep at it, and giving 100% to trying to get better looks.

I dont think Rondo is to blame for the loss at all in any way shape or form... He played an aggressive game and the rest of the team other than KG played pretty awful...However...


2 assists in the second half for Rondo.... That doesnt help his cause.

So you aren't willing to own up to the fact that the guy controls our offense and like the past 5 yrs the team's offense goes as Rondo's aggressiveness goes?! You aren't willing to admit that the shooting percentage of a wide open player who's man rotated to help a cutting Rondo is much much higher than one who in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock is launching a fade away with a hand in his face?!

Come on man. I love Rondo when he is being Rondo, but half the time he plays like the best PG in the game, and the other half like a 3rd tier player. How many times does Doc have to comment after games like that that we need him to be more aggressive attacking the basket to play well? Yes you may decide you want to rip my idea, but pretending that the guy was aggressive when he wasn't doesn't make any sense. So all the media guys and the coach are wrong as well?!

[EJPLAYA]

Yeah the I watched the game, I am just not sure if you did.  Wade and LJ are ELITE defenders.  Do you understand that?  The two were matched up against him a LOT in the 2nd half.  Wade and Lebron are probably almost as quick as RR and have way better hops and strength.  You have to understand the context and who we are playing and who is being defended by who before you start calling out Rondo.  Get a clue.

STATS dont support that it was Rondo's fault we lost the game.
16 points
9 rebounds
7 assists

8-20 from the field.  He was driving to the hoop. 

I really don't think Rondo played that bad or passively.  The heat have elite defenders that aren't very easy to take advantage of.  He did take the ball to the rim a number of times.  We just need to get better shots.  The heat's D is tough, and we need to find ways to get easier shots.

I think the 6-25 from PP/RA is the big problem from this game.  As well as the weak start / low energy of the start of the game.
I don't think you lay this loss on Rondo.  The stats certainly don't support it.

The stats don't support it?! He made one shot from outside the paint all game. He sat outside the three point line dribbling most of the 1st, third, and 4th quarters. He made no attempt to drive at Lebron and use his speed to create the mismatch and at least force them to adjust. That 2nd quarter where we played great he was going to the rim almost every time down the floor creating open shots for others or layups for himself. Did you not even watch the game?!

Thats right because Wade AND Lebron were guarding him at the same time... Rondo had the second worst +/- in the game barely behind PP. There's a reason for that. Sure he got a few long rebounds off of the outside jumpers everyone had to shoot since he was once again often dribbling out the shot clock. He was very good in the 2nd quarter at attacking and look at the results. After that he wasn't at all. Not sure why we can't acknowledge the fact that he once again took most of the game off. Yes Lebron is a good defender, however Rondo is a lot faster with better handles and forces defenders to help. This opens up shooters for OPEN jumpers which they knock down well vs. shooting with their man's hand in their face. (which we don't knock down well)

Either you are Rondo blind, Rondo himself, or maybe his mother?!

I don't care how faster he is than LeBron. Everytime he gets to the lane he gets trapped. There's always a defender waiting. Like I said, clearly it's his fault that Miami played great  against him. Ita his fault that even when he drives the lane he gets smothered by white jerseys. Its his fault that we he passes to someone who is open, they dont make em. Yep, blame it all on him. Not sure why you can't acknowledge te fact that Miami adjusted their defense in the 2nd half to clearly stop that Rondo drive.

DING DING DING!!!! We have a winner. You are right. There is a defender waiting for him because he has rotated off of his man. This allows Rondo to pass the ball to that guys man who then has a wide open shot. If someone rotates to him then he swings to the next guy who for sure is open. Really simple that strategy! If Lebron were actually preventing him from driving then that is one thing. Rondo just didn't want to attempt it. There were way too many open opportunities he passed up to have that be the answer. 

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Man why don't you stop attacking me personally ok?  It makes this place more fun.  I have seen bad Rondo play, and this wasn't bad Rondo.  He was a few assists and a rebound away from a triple double.  If you are blaming that for our loss, I don't even think we are in the same universe.  Sorry.

I agree 100% he isn't to blame.  I thought he had a decent game.  But the guys need to actually MAKE their shots for Rondo to get an assist. I don't know what our FG % was for the 2nd half, but I am guessing it was below 40% maybe below 35%.  No one makes baskets, no assists for Rondo.

I think we need to get better shots, we need to keep pushing movement in our O sets.  There is a lot of standing around by the other 4 guys.  If you want good shots you have to:
1) move without the ball
2) set solid screens
3) be patient
4) share the ball / make the extra pass

This is really important against a great D team like the heat.
We just need to keep at it, and giving 100% to trying to get better looks.

I dont think Rondo is to blame for the loss at all in any way shape or form... He played an aggressive game and the rest of the team other than KG played pretty awful...However...


2 assists in the second half for Rondo.... That doesnt help his cause.

So you aren't willing to own up to the fact that the guy controls our offense and like the past 5 yrs the team's offense goes as Rondo's aggressiveness goes?! You aren't willing to admit that the shooting percentage of a wide open player who's man rotated to help a cutting Rondo is much much higher than one who in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock is launching a fade away with a hand in his face?!

Come on man. I love Rondo when he is being Rondo, but half the time he plays like the best PG in the game, and the other half like a 3rd tier player. How many times does Doc have to comment after games like that that we need him to be more aggressive attacking the basket to play well? Yes you may decide you want to rip my idea, but pretending that the guy was aggressive when he wasn't doesn't make any sense. So all the media guys and the coach are wrong as well?!

[EJPLAYA]

Yes, you and anyone else who claims that Rondo was the reason we lost, and should take the blame is completely wrong.
Thanks for playing.  Bad thread, sorry.

I agree 100% he isn't to blame.  I thought he had a decent game.  But the guys need to actually MAKE their shots for Rondo to get an assist. I don't know what our FG % was for the 2nd half, but I am guessing it was below 40% maybe below 35%.  No one makes baskets, no assists for Rondo.

I think we need to get better shots, we need to keep pushing movement in our O sets.  There is a lot of standing around by the other 4 guys.  If you want good shots you have to:
1) move without the ball
2) set solid screens
3) be patient
4) share the ball / make the extra pass

This is really important against a great D team like the heat.
We just need to keep at it, and giving 100% to trying to get better looks.

I dont think Rondo is to blame for the loss at all in any way shape or form... He played an aggressive game and the rest of the team other than KG played pretty awful...However...


2 assists in the second half for Rondo.... That doesnt help his cause.

So you aren't willing to own up to the fact that the guy controls our offense and like the past 5 yrs the team's offense goes as Rondo's aggressiveness goes?! You aren't willing to admit that the shooting percentage of a wide open player who's man rotated to help a cutting Rondo is much much higher than one who in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock is launching a fade away with a hand in his face?!

Come on man. I love Rondo when he is being Rondo, but half the time he plays like the best PG in the game, and the other half like a 3rd tier player. How many times does Doc have to comment after games like that that we need him to be more aggressive attacking the basket to play well? Yes you may decide you want to rip my idea, but pretending that the guy was aggressive when he wasn't doesn't make any sense. So all the media guys and the coach are wrong as well?!

No. Bad attempt at a rebuttal. You don't do anything but say "no he didn't". No rebuttal of the actual stats that backed up my comments. Just making up things that didn't happen. As far as bad thread... That's typically what happens when you can't argue your point. Attack the other guy.

[EJPLAYA]

Man why don't you stop attacking me personally ok?  It makes this place more fun.  I have seen bad Rondo play, and this wasn't bad Rondo.  He was a few assists and a rebound away from a triple double.  If you are blaming that for our loss, I don't even think we are in the same universe.  Sorry.

I agree 100% he isn't to blame.  I thought he had a decent game.  But the guys need to actually MAKE their shots for Rondo to get an assist. I don't know what our FG % was for the 2nd half, but I am guessing it was below 40% maybe below 35%.  No one makes baskets, no assists for Rondo.

I think we need to get better shots, we need to keep pushing movement in our O sets.  There is a lot of standing around by the other 4 guys.  If you want good shots you have to:
1) move without the ball
2) set solid screens
3) be patient
4) share the ball / make the extra pass

This is really important against a great D team like the heat.
We just need to keep at it, and giving 100% to trying to get better looks.

I dont think Rondo is to blame for the loss at all in any way shape or form... He played an aggressive game and the rest of the team other than KG played pretty awful...However...


2 assists in the second half for Rondo.... That doesnt help his cause.

So you aren't willing to own up to the fact that the guy controls our offense and like the past 5 yrs the team's offense goes as Rondo's aggressiveness goes?! You aren't willing to admit that the shooting percentage of a wide open player who's man rotated to help a cutting Rondo is much much higher than one who in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock is launching a fade away with a hand in his face?!

Come on man. I love Rondo when he is being Rondo, but half the time he plays like the best PG in the game, and the other half like a 3rd tier player. How many times does Doc have to comment after games like that that we need him to be more aggressive attacking the basket to play well? Yes you may decide you want to rip my idea, but pretending that the guy was aggressive when he wasn't doesn't make any sense. So all the media guys and the coach are wrong as well?!

Attacking you PERSONALLY?! Show me where I made ONE comment about YOU personally. Yet another thing those who can't support their argument on here try and pull. Show me where I attacked you personally please.

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I already gave you the stats earlier in the thread.  It wasn't Rondo's fault.  Get that through you thick head ok?

Yes, you and anyone else who claims that Rondo was the reason we lost, and should take the blame is completely wrong.
Thanks for playing.  Bad thread, sorry.

I agree 100% he isn't to blame.  I thought he had a decent game.  But the guys need to actually MAKE their shots for Rondo to get an assist. I don't know what our FG % was for the 2nd half, but I am guessing it was below 40% maybe below 35%.  No one makes baskets, no assists for Rondo.

I think we need to get better shots, we need to keep pushing movement in our O sets.  There is a lot of standing around by the other 4 guys.  If you want good shots you have to:
1) move without the ball
2) set solid screens
3) be patient
4) share the ball / make the extra pass

This is really important against a great D team like the heat.
We just need to keep at it, and giving 100% to trying to get better looks.

I dont think Rondo is to blame for the loss at all in any way shape or form... He played an aggressive game and the rest of the team other than KG played pretty awful...However...


2 assists in the second half for Rondo.... That doesnt help his cause.

So you aren't willing to own up to the fact that the guy controls our offense and like the past 5 yrs the team's offense goes as Rondo's aggressiveness goes?! You aren't willing to admit that the shooting percentage of a wide open player who's man rotated to help a cutting Rondo is much much higher than one who in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock is launching a fade away with a hand in his face?!

Come on man. I love Rondo when he is being Rondo, but half the time he plays like the best PG in the game, and the other half like a 3rd tier player. How many times does Doc have to comment after games like that that we need him to be more aggressive attacking the basket to play well? Yes you may decide you want to rip my idea, but pretending that the guy was aggressive when he wasn't doesn't make any sense. So all the media guys and the coach are wrong as well?!

No. Bad attempt at a rebuttal. You don't do anything but say "no he didn't". No rebuttal of the actual stats that backed up my comments. Just making up things that didn't happen. As far as bad thread... That's typically what happens when you can't argue your point. Attack the other guy.

[EJPLAYA]

I already gave you the stats earlier in the thread.  It wasn't Rondo's fault.  Get that through you think head ok?

Yes, you and anyone else who claims that Rondo was the reason we lost, and should take the blame is completely wrong.
Thanks for playing.  Bad thread, sorry.

I agree 100% he isn't to blame.  I thought he had a decent game.  But the guys need to actually MAKE their shots for Rondo to get an assist. I don't know what our FG % was for the 2nd half, but I am guessing it was below 40% maybe below 35%.  No one makes baskets, no assists for Rondo.

I think we need to get better shots, we need to keep pushing movement in our O sets.  There is a lot of standing around by the other 4 guys.  If you want good shots you have to:
1) move without the ball
2) set solid screens
3) be patient
4) share the ball / make the extra pass

This is really important against a great D team like the heat.
We just need to keep at it, and giving 100% to trying to get better looks.

I dont think Rondo is to blame for the loss at all in any way shape or form... He played an aggressive game and the rest of the team other than KG played pretty awful...However...


2 assists in the second half for Rondo.... That doesnt help his cause.

So you aren't willing to own up to the fact that the guy controls our offense and like the past 5 yrs the team's offense goes as Rondo's aggressiveness goes?! You aren't willing to admit that the shooting percentage of a wide open player who's man rotated to help a cutting Rondo is much much higher than one who in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock is launching a fade away with a hand in his face?!

Come on man. I love Rondo when he is being Rondo, but half the time he plays like the best PG in the game, and the other half like a 3rd tier player. How many times does Doc have to comment after games like that that we need him to be more aggressive attacking the basket to play well? Yes you may decide you want to rip my idea, but pretending that the guy was aggressive when he wasn't doesn't make any sense. So all the media guys and the coach are wrong as well?!

No. Bad attempt at a rebuttal. You don't do anything but say "no he didn't". No rebuttal of the actual stats that backed up my comments. Just making up things that didn't happen. As far as bad thread... That's typically what happens when you can't argue your point. Attack the other guy.

I assume that you meant "thick" instead of think. WHO is the one making personal attacks?! Only you my friend.

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STATS dont support that it was Rondo's fault we lost the game.
16 points
9 rebounds
7 assists

It wasn't MVP level, but how you can put the blame on Rondo for this one is beyond me.

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Summ-er Donn-ah.

As in, stop taking the debate personally. That's official warning, next one thread gets locked.

[OsirusCeltics]

You can take that one and put it squarely on the shoulders of "superstar" Rajon Rondo. How on earth he can sit there and refuse to penetrate with the ball again and again running down the clock and having their half court offense end up with a late contested jumper is beyond me. That second quarter he, along with others, attacked the rim and they dropped 35 points on the Heat. They then proceeded to play right into Miami's hands and settled for garbage shots.

Yes it didn't help that Pierce and Allen were 6-25 combined, but this one is square on our floor generals head. Terrible passiveness from Rajon resulting in stagnant offense. How maddening can one player be. Is he that stupid that he doesn't realize that when he attacks the rim he is an all-star, and when he stands around and dribbles he is a scrub?! Doc gets blame too, because a coach should have pulled him from the game if he wasn't willing to go to the basket.

Man up Rondo and stop playing like a scrub or this series is over before it has begun.

TP

I COMPLETELY agree with you. It was so evident that the quarter where the Celtics scored the most (2nd quarter, 35 points) was the quarter that Rondo was not being passive and attacking the paint to create opportunities for his teammates

How can you not blame Rondo for how he performed in this game? And don't use those cupcake stats. Watch the game and see the initial reason and not the end result. Yes his teammates missed shots, but if Rondo dribbles the ball on the top of the key for 22 seconds, then passes it to his teammates, obviously its going to be a low percentage shots, which causes them to miss

I like Rondo, but sometimes  I...Cant...stand...him... lol this guy is ruining it for the Celtics wit his out of space ET dumb plays. The 2nd quarter Rondo was attacking the rim and getting everyone invovled. Then in the second half he decided to phone home and stop driving

[EJPLAYA]

STATS dont support that it was Rondo's fault we lost the game.
16 points
9 rebounds
7 assists

It wasn't MVP level, but how you can put the blame on Rondo for this one is beyond me.

I see. So we're going to accuse someone of personally attacking them (which is 100% false), then attack THEM personally (which was 100% true), then try and change the subject when called on it by reposting the same thing you posted before... How about admitting that I did not attack you personally, apologizing for doing it yourself, and then answering to the -15 that they had while he was out on the floor...

[EJPLAYA]

Summ-er Donn-ah.

As in, stop taking the debate personally. That's official warning, next one thread gets locked.

How about instead of a warning of stop taking the debate personally that the person who actually made a personal attack and insult get warned to knock it off. That's like calling a double technical when it was clearly the one guys fault out there. Doesn't really do much good! 

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Yeah the I watched the game, I am just not sure if you did.  Wade and LJ are ELITE defenders.  Do you understand that?  The two were matched up against him a LOT in the 2nd half.  Wade and Lebron are probably almost as quick as RR and have way better hops and strength.  You have to understand the context and who we are playing and who is being defended by who before you start calling out Rondo.  Get a clue.

STATS dont support that it was Rondo's fault we lost the game.
16 points
9 rebounds
7 assists

8-20 from the field.  He was driving to the hoop. 

I really don't think Rondo played that bad or passively.  The heat have elite defenders that aren't very easy to take advantage of.  He did take the ball to the rim a number of times.  We just need to get better shots.  The heat's D is tough, and we need to find ways to get easier shots.

I think the 6-25 from PP/RA is the big problem from this game.  As well as the weak start / low energy of the start of the game.
I don't think you lay this loss on Rondo.  The stats certainly don't support it.

The stats don't support it?! He made one shot from outside the paint all game. He sat outside the three point line dribbling most of the 1st, third, and 4th quarters. He made no attempt to drive at Lebron and use his speed to create the mismatch and at least force them to adjust. That 2nd quarter where we played great he was going to the rim almost every time down the floor creating open shots for others or layups for himself. Did you not even watch the game?!

Thats right because Wade AND Lebron were guarding him at the same time... Rondo had the second worst +/- in the game barely behind PP. There's a reason for that. Sure he got a few long rebounds off of the outside jumpers everyone had to shoot since he was once again often dribbling out the shot clock. He was very good in the 2nd quarter at attacking and look at the results. After that he wasn't at all. Not sure why we can't acknowledge the fact that he once again took most of the game off. Yes Lebron is a good defender, however Rondo is a lot faster with better handles and forces defenders to help. This opens up shooters for OPEN jumpers which they knock down well vs. shooting with their man's hand in their face. (which we don't knock down well)

Either you are Rondo blind, Rondo himself, or maybe his mother?!

I don't care how faster he is than LeBron. Everytime he gets to the lane he gets trapped. There's always a defender waiting. Like I said, clearly it's his fault that Miami played great  against him. Ita his fault that even when he drives the lane he gets smothered by white jerseys. Its his fault that we he passes to someone who is open, they dont make em. Yep, blame it all on him. Not sure why you can't acknowledge te fact that Miami adjusted their defense in the 2nd half to clearly stop that Rondo drive.

DING DING DING!!!! We have a winner. You are right. There is a defender waiting for him because he has rotated off of his man. This allows Rondo to pass the ball to that guys man who then has a wide open shot. If someone rotates to him then he swings to the next guy who for sure is open. Really simple that strategy! If Lebron were actually preventing him from driving then that is one thing. Rondo just didn't want to attempt it. There were way too many open opportunities he passed up to have that be the answer. 

It's not to easy when he's SURROUNDED and has no passing vision now is it? Also,  sme of the open shots he feed, wasn't falling.