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Next's year's roster
« on: May 25, 2012, 02:40:03 PM »

Offline droopdog7

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I am not suggesting the season is over, and I realize this may have been discussed before, but I think we are at a place now where we can begin to see what our team might look like next year.  Here is my take:

1.  Rondo, PP, Avery and assured spots

2.  I think we should go ahead and try to bring back KG.  Money (and more importanly years) will be a factor but I would love to have him back.

3.  I go ahead and try to bring back Green and Wilcox, who hopefully we could get on short contracts based on health.

4.  I think JuJuan Johnson is virtually guaranteed to come back also.

5.  So that's seven.  In terms of people that should definetely be gone, I'd say Williams, Ray :(, Daniels, and Hollins.

6.  The guys on the fence would be Bass, Pietrus, Moore, Steisma, Pavlovic, and Dooling.  These guys are what Bill Parcell's used to call JAG's (short for, just another guy).  Of this group, Steisma (Not Bass because I would prefer Green instead) is the one I think about keeping the most, but I would try to upgrade is possible.

7.  I am going to assume that we draft two players and they both make the team.  


Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2012, 02:57:25 PM »

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Im done with old ball.

Starting lineup should be

Rondo
Bradley
Green

and two other young bigs. Dont really care who.\

The fact is we arent a contending team, not now, not next year unless we get Dwight Howard or some other superstar.

Might as well just play young ball and put people in the seats.

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Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2012, 03:18:25 PM »

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Im done with old ball.

Starting lineup should be

Rondo
Bradley
Green

and two other young bigs. Dont really care who.\

The fact is we arent a contending team, not now, not next year unless we get Dwight Howard or some other superstar.

Might as well just play young ball and put people in the seats.



Boy that's depressing... Oh well, all things must end at some point.


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Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 03:21:01 PM »

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Im done with old ball.

Starting lineup should be

Rondo
Bradley
Green

and two other young bigs. Dont really care who.\

The fact is we arent a contending team, not now, not next year unless we get Dwight Howard or some other superstar.

Might as well just play young ball and put people in the seats.



Boy that's depressing... Oh well, all things must end at some point.


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Green
Josh Smith
Dwight

That would be my dream.  We would probably have a hard time scoring down the stretch of games but oh well.
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Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 04:30:18 PM »

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I don't know what we're going to do with the draft, but I think an interesting lineup could be:

PG: Rajon Rondo
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Pierce / Jeff Green
PF: Michael Beasley
C: KG
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Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2012, 04:34:47 PM »

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I don't know what we're going to do with the draft, but I think an interesting lineup could be:

PG: Rajon Rondo
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Pierce / Jeff Green
PF: Michael Beasley
C: KG

Beasley is intriguing... I would like to see the Celtics take a wack at a undervalued player or 2 for the right price. Although with Beasley being restricted I'm guessing Minnesota would match anything low.

Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2012, 04:42:16 PM »

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Im done with old ball.

Starting lineup should be

Rondo
Bradley
Green

and two other young bigs. Dont really care who.\

The fact is we arent a contending team, not now, not next year unless we get Dwight Howard or some other superstar.

Might as well just play young ball and put people in the seats.



At this point and time you can't count on Green even to play for sure let alone start... Plus let's wait and see how Bradley's rehab goes...


Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 04:43:53 PM »

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I am not suggesting the season is over, and I realize this may have been discussed before, but I think we are at a place now where we can begin to see what our team might look like next year.  Here is my take:

1.  Rondo, PP, Avery and assured spots

2.  I think we should go ahead and try to bring back KG.  Money (and more importanly years) will be a factor but I would love to have him back.

3.  I go ahead and try to bring back Green and Wilcox, who hopefully we could get on short contracts based on health.

4.  I think JuJuan Johnson is virtually guaranteed to come back also.

5.  So that's seven.  In terms of people that should definetely be gone, I'd say Williams, Ray :(, Daniels, and Hollins.

6.  The guys on the fence would be Bass, Pietrus, Moore, Steisma, Pavlovic, and Dooling.  These guys are what Bill Parcell's used to call JAG's (short for, just another guy).  Of this group, Steisma (Not Bass because I would prefer Green instead) is the one I think about keeping the most, but I would try to upgrade is possible.

7.  I am going to assume that we draft two players and they both make the team.  



There is no on the fence with Steimsa.  He's cheap, big and performed well in limited minutes and will only get better with confidence. 


Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2012, 04:53:44 PM »

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I am not suggesting the season is over, and I realize this may have been discussed before, but I think we are at a place now where we can begin to see what our team might look like next year.  Here is my take:

1.  Rondo, PP, Avery and assured spots

2.  I think we should go ahead and try to bring back KG.  Money (and more importanly years) will be a factor but I would love to have him back.

3.  I go ahead and try to bring back Green and Wilcox, who hopefully we could get on short contracts based on health.

4.  I think JuJuan Johnson is virtually guaranteed to come back also.

5.  So that's seven.  In terms of people that should definetely be gone, I'd say Williams, Ray :(, Daniels, and Hollins.

6.  The guys on the fence would be Bass, Pietrus, Moore, Steisma, Pavlovic, and Dooling.  These guys are what Bill Parcell's used to call JAG's (short for, just another guy).  Of this group, Steisma (Not Bass because I would prefer Green instead) is the one I think about keeping the most, but I would try to upgrade is possible.

7.  I am going to assume that we draft two players and they both make the team.  



Going forward like the OP says Rondo, PP & Avery are more than likely here next season.  I also think that JuJuan Johnson and Moore will be here as well, unless they end up as trade bait in part of a deal for a more established player.  Add in the fact that at least two rookies will be coming in and that leaves 8 available spots on the roster and so many questions.

1.  I think if KG wants to continue playing, he's a Celtic on a one to two year deal, especially if the Celtics continue to appear be out of the running for Dwight Howard.  And if no superstar is coming, I think there is nothing wrong with giving KG around 20 million over 2 years, with his play this year he's earned it.  I think having him around is important to the culture of this team, especially if the C's continue to be shut out of top free agents coming to town.

2.  Obviously a similar situation with Ray, if there is nothing upcoming as far as a superstar coming this summer, offer Ray 6 million (just over the mid level that maxed out conteders can offer) and a partially guaranteed 2nd year.  Not sure how the CBA works on this, but since the C's will be under the cap something similar to Lamar Odom's situation seems appropriate 2.5 - 3 as a payoff giving the C's an opportunity to cut him next season if he proves that his age and ankles can't hold up.  If Ray don't like that, with all due respect, tell him to take a hike

3.  Does Bass opt out, and is he worthy of a long term deal?  I think it's a lock that he opts out for him to get some long term security, but I also think he's not going to get any offers more than 5 mil a year & if he does, than GM's around the league really didn't learn anything after last years lockout.  I think Bass would be excellent going forward as the 1st or 2nd big off the bench.  I don't think having him around for another 2 to 4 years at reasonable money (4-5 mil a year) would hurt, but of course it all depends on what he get's offered on the open market.

4.  Green - same situation as Bass, of course with the C's hopefully getting a little protection to get out of a contract if his heart issues flare up.

That leaves only 4 roster spots and basically no cap room.  I believe having players around that know the system and have done well here for who they are deep bench players having Wilcox, Steimsma, & Peitrus around wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.  For the last spot on the roster I suggest they take a flyer on players such as Michael Beasley Illyasova with the mid-level, and hope they reach their potential wearing Celtic Green.  

The trade market and the availabilty of players like Josh Smith, Andre Iguadala (only a year or two left at that awful contract), or one of Utah's veteran big men Big Al or Milsap, changes everything, but as things stand now, I say bring back the band one more time and reup in the 2013 offseason or trade mid season 2012 if an opportunity presents itself.

Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2012, 05:04:31 PM »

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I am not suggesting the season is over, and I realize this may have been discussed before, but I think we are at a place now where we can begin to see what our team might look like next year.  Here is my take:

1.  Rondo, PP, Avery and assured spots

2.  I think we should go ahead and try to bring back KG.  Money (and more importanly years) will be a factor but I would love to have him back.

3.  I go ahead and try to bring back Green and Wilcox, who hopefully we could get on short contracts based on health.

4.  I think JuJuan Johnson is virtually guaranteed to come back also.

5.  So that's seven.  In terms of people that should definetely be gone, I'd say Williams, Ray :(, Daniels, and Hollins.

6.  The guys on the fence would be Bass, Pietrus, Moore, Steisma, Pavlovic, and Dooling.  These guys are what Bill Parcell's used to call JAG's (short for, just another guy).  Of this group, Steisma (Not Bass because I would prefer Green instead) is the one I think about keeping the most, but I would try to upgrade is possible.

7.  I am going to assume that we draft two players and they both make the team.  



There is no on the fence with Steimsa.  He's cheap, big and performed well in limited minutes and will only get better with confidence. 


I disagree that Steisma can only get better.  He not young in a basketball sense and many players (after the league catches up with them) actually regress.  That said, I wouldn't get rid of Steisma for the sake of getting rid of someone.  But I would try to upgrade if I could, because frankly, I think he is more of a 12 man than a solid contributer on a contending team.

Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2012, 05:08:33 PM »

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Im done with old ball.

Starting lineup should be

Rondo
Bradley
Green

and two other young bigs. Dont really care who.\

The fact is we arent a contending team, not now, not next year unless we get Dwight Howard or some other superstar.

Might as well just play young ball and put people in the seats.



Boy that's depressing... Oh well, all things must end at some point.


Rondo
Bradley
Green
Josh Smith
Dwight

That would be my dream.  We would probably have a hard time scoring down the stretch of games but oh well.

Would be the worst shooting team in history, but wow that defense would be incredible.
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Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2012, 05:08:46 PM »

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I see absolutely no reason for Pierce not to be back.  I'd love to re-sign KG for another year.  Ray, I love ya, but it's probably time to hang them up.  If he still wants to play and can get a contract for another year or two, I wish him well, and am thinking that he'll probably end up his career wearing something other than Celtics green.  

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Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2012, 05:12:48 PM »

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I am not suggesting the season is over, and I realize this may have been discussed before, but I think we are at a place now where we can begin to see what our team might look like next year.  Here is my take:

1.  Rondo, PP, Avery and assured spots

2.  I think we should go ahead and try to bring back KG.  Money (and more importanly years) will be a factor but I would love to have him back.

3.  I go ahead and try to bring back Green and Wilcox, who hopefully we could get on short contracts based on health.

4.  I think JuJuan Johnson is virtually guaranteed to come back also.

5.  So that's seven.  In terms of people that should definetely be gone, I'd say Williams, Ray :(, Daniels, and Hollins.

6.  The guys on the fence would be Bass, Pietrus, Moore, Steisma, Pavlovic, and Dooling.  These guys are what Bill Parcell's used to call JAG's (short for, just another guy).  Of this group, Steisma (Not Bass because I would prefer Green instead) is the one I think about keeping the most, but I would try to upgrade is possible.

7.  I am going to assume that we draft two players and they both make the team.  



There is no on the fence with Steimsa.  He's cheap, big and performed well in limited minutes and will only get better with confidence. 


I disagree that Steisma can only get better.  He not young in a basketball sense and many players (after the league catches up with them) actually regress.  That said, I wouldn't get rid of Steisma for the sake of getting rid of someone.  But I would try to upgrade if I could, because frankly, I think he is more of a 12 man than a solid contributer on a contending team.

Well then you didn't see him in college like I did (being a Big 10 guy).  He has a nice mid range jumper also which he has not shown this year.  As he learns the NBA game a little more and gets a few of the calls that he didn't get this year being a rookie he will definitely improve.  He's a good defender and shot blocker and as he learns other players tendecnies those areas can improve also. 

Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2012, 05:14:24 PM »

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I am not suggesting the season is over, and I realize this may have been discussed before, but I think we are at a place now where we can begin to see what our team might look like next year.  Here is my take:

1.  Rondo, PP, Avery and assured spots

2.  I think we should go ahead and try to bring back KG.  Money (and more importanly years) will be a factor but I would love to have him back.

3.  I go ahead and try to bring back Green and Wilcox, who hopefully we could get on short contracts based on health.

4.  I think JuJuan Johnson is virtually guaranteed to come back also.

5.  So that's seven.  In terms of people that should definetely be gone, I'd say Williams, Ray :(, Daniels, and Hollins.

6.  The guys on the fence would be Bass, Pietrus, Moore, Steisma, Pavlovic, and Dooling.  These guys are what Bill Parcell's used to call JAG's (short for, just another guy).  Of this group, Steisma (Not Bass because I would prefer Green instead) is the one I think about keeping the most, but I would try to upgrade is possible.

7.  I am going to assume that we draft two players and they both make the team.  



Going forward like the OP says Rondo, PP & Avery are more than likely here next season.  I also think that JuJuan Johnson and Moore will be here as well, unless they end up as trade bait in part of a deal for a more established player.  Add in the fact that at least two rookies will be coming in and that leaves 8 available spots on the roster and so many questions.

1.  I think if KG wants to continue playing, he's a Celtic on a one to two year deal, especially if the Celtics continue to appear be out of the running for Dwight Howard.  And if no superstar is coming, I think there is nothing wrong with giving KG around 20 million over 2 years, with his play this year he's earned it.  I think having him around is important to the culture of this team, especially if the C's continue to be shut out of top free agents coming to town.

2.  Obviously a similar situation with Ray, if there is nothing upcoming as far as a superstar coming this summer, offer Ray 6 million (just over the mid level that maxed out conteders can offer) and a partially guaranteed 2nd year.  Not sure how the CBA works on this, but since the C's will be under the cap something similar to Lamar Odom's situation seems appropriate 2.5 - 3 as a payoff giving the C's an opportunity to cut him next season if he proves that his age and ankles can't hold up.  If Ray don't like that, with all due respect, tell him to take a hike

3.  Does Bass opt out, and is he worthy of a long term deal?  I think it's a lock that he opts out for him to get some long term security, but I also think he's not going to get any offers more than 5 mil a year & if he does, than GM's around the league really didn't learn anything after last years lockout.  I think Bass would be excellent going forward as the 1st or 2nd big off the bench.  I don't think having him around for another 2 to 4 years at reasonable money (4-5 mil a year) would hurt, but of course it all depends on what he get's offered on the open market.

4.  Green - same situation as Bass, of course with the C's hopefully getting a little protection to get out of a contract if his heart issues flare up.

That leaves only 4 roster spots and basically no cap room.  I believe having players around that know the system and have done well here for who they are deep bench players having Wilcox, Steimsma, & Peitrus around wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.  For the last spot on the roster I suggest they take a flyer on players such as Michael Beasley Illyasova with the mid-level, and hope they reach their potential wearing Celtic Green.  

The trade market and the availabilty of players like Josh Smith, Andre Iguadala (only a year or two left at that awful contract), or one of Utah's veteran big men Big Al or Milsap, changes everything, but as things stand now, I say bring back the band one more time and reup in the 2013 offseason or trade mid season 2012 if an opportunity presents itself.

Ray Allen for 6 million???and with a partially guaranteed 2nd year!!!...OMG, you have got to be kidding me... HE IS DONE...bone spurs or not at 37 yrs old the first thing that goes is your shooting touch...he will be lucky if he gets the midlevel of 3 million from contending teams

Lets just move on..I have appreciated Ray and everything he has done but time to move forward..im ready for AB 35 min per game.should ray stay he plays no more than 15 a game.

Re: Next's year's roster
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2012, 05:21:53 PM »

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Assuming Doc stays as coach, the following players will definitely be on our team next year (unless they are traded):

Rondo
AB
Pierce
Pietrus
Stiemsma
JJJ
2 first-rounders
Etwaun/second-rounder

The following players are very likely to be on our team next year if they sign "reasonable" contracts:

KG
Bass
Jeff Green

The following players might come back if a) they sign cheap contracts, and b) we don't draft or sign anyone better that plays the same position:

Ray
Dooling
Sasha
Hollins
Daniels
Williams
Wilcox

If you add KG into the first group of players, that essentially is the core of the team, minus Bass, that played so well in the second half of this year.  Outside of KG and Paul getting 1 year older, I don't see that dramatic of a drop off in terms of the team's potential.  

The questions are:  will KG retire, who replaces Bass if he doesn't take the option, what can Jeff Green give us, do we spend any cap space on a younger PF/C that fits the team now, does JJJ factor in at all, do our draft picks have any NBA-ready ability, who is going to be our outside threat from 3, are we contending in 2013 or building for later?

I think KG holds the keys.  If Danny and Doc can convince him that they have the pieces, the money, and the strategy to build a nucleus that can give Boston one more shot at the Finals, I think he will not retire and sign for one more year at least.  If Danny and Doc cannot convince him, or if Doc leaves for Orlando, KG will either retire or sign somewhere else, and they whole thing must be reconfigured around Rondo and Bradley.  I would even think that Pierce might ask for a trade if this is the case because he see the writing on the wall.