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Does Rondo get along with his teammates?
« on: May 25, 2012, 05:29:17 AM »

Offline LarBrd33

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BBallTim, Celtics18 and everyone else...  do you ever get the impression that Rondo doesn't get along with his teammates?



It's been a pretty poorly kept secret that there has been a rift between the old players and Rondo for years.  Lots of whispers of Rondo having an attitude problem.  Plenty of people have written about this stuff.  Most recently on Grantland:  

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So what the hell are you supposed to think when you see a scene on the bench like Wednesday night? Rondo — who had the worst game of his postseason, with just six assists —staring, dead-eyed, into the middle distance. Pierce, yapping in his ear, being roundly ignored, and then delivering a let's-face-it-not-all-that-affectionate affectionate-older-brother-head-slap to the young man. When they win, it’s easy to forget that this split even exists. When they lose, you get bench slaps. Awkward. So ****n awkward.

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"It has been well documented that Rondo struggles to coexist, at times, with his more celebrated teammates. He occasionally chafed when the Big Three overshadowed his accomplishments, and brooded when best pal Kendrick Perkins was dealt to Oklahoma City. Rondo needed a new confidant and Dooling, Rondo told me just before Game 1, had become that guy.

"Keyon is one of the best leaders I've ever been around," Rondo declared. "He tells me the truth. If I mess up, he lets me know. He's also very positive, very uplifting.

"Sometimes you play with guys who don't always want to see you do well. When they tell you something, you wonder where they're coming from, what their reasons are.

"But with Keyon, I never worry about that. He's going to give it to me straight, because he cares."

When Rondo drew a two-game suspension for throwing the ball at Wright in February, his veteran teammates went to him demanding a public apology. Feeling cornered, Rondo balked -- and that's when Dooling stepped in.

"I just told him, 'You hurt your family when you do stuff like [throwing the ball at a ref]. The [money lost due to suspension] comes out of your pocket. That's taking money away from the people you love,'" Dooling said.

"He listened because I was coming from a pure place. I want him to grow as a man. "

I think this rift is one of the main reasons Rondo has been shopped so hard by Ainge.  The more I hear all these whispers the more it sounds like Rondo is a difficult fella to get along with behind the scenes.  You'd think this means that when the Big 3 leave and he's no longer "little brother" his attitude will improve... but when the Big 3 leave it most likely will mean a period of mediocre sub-par basketball... Anyone concerned this will translate into a disgruntled and problematic Rondo?

Or are we taking the stance that KG, Ray and Pierce are difficult to deal with and not given Rondo his proper respect?

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2012, 06:41:59 AM »

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KG , Ray and Pierce are the best thing that ever happenned to Rondo

i doubt he would be the player he is today if he didnt have them.

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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2012, 07:11:23 AM »

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I get the sense that he and Bradley get along okay, which important for the next generation and I'd guess he's alright with Jeff Green too.

But the rookies are always talking about how good KG, Dooling, etc., have been to them and how much they're able to pick up from them.  They never seem to include Rondo in that, and you don't see Rondo seemingly bonding with Stiemer or the Boilermakers.

That lack of reach out to the new young guys might be more of a problem than his love/hate tussles with the Big Three, especially since his reported beefs with Doc and the Big Three had to do with the young players not being treated the same as the Big Three were being treated.

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 08:00:59 AM »

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I don't see any problems and think they get ok fine.   Love him or hate him he helped us win in 08.   Sure the big three have helped him but he is also an assist meister of the highest order.

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 08:09:33 AM »

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 I think it's much ado about nothing.  I think all those guys love and respect each other as members of a brotherhood known as the Boston Celtics.

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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2012, 08:14:55 AM »

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really? because pierce was trying to light a fire under him? this reminds me of antoine walker yelling at pierce in the 2002 east semis...the only difference was Pierce responded that game, rondo really never did.
Im actually shocked because of this you would ask the question...consider it trolling...KG and Pierce have heaped endless praise onto rondo, he spends time off the court with ray and his family and dooling calls him one of his best friends, bass loves him...frankly the whole team gets along with him fine.
Jackie MacMullin has been driving this criticize rondo but noone else bus for a while now and as far as im concerned the game has past her by, she maybe should go write some more larry bird books

does KG get along with his teammates? who cares
« Last Edit: May 25, 2012, 08:21:42 AM by scaryjerry »

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2012, 08:22:35 AM »

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KG , Ray and Pierce are the best thing that ever happenned to Rondo

i doubt he would be the player he is today if he didnt have them.

  I agree with this.  They have had a great effect on Rondo's development.

  Still I believe it is a fact that the Big Three wouldn't be the players they are this late in their careers without Rondo so it goes both ways.  Rondo's ability to get them shots exactly where they want them has surely extended the effectiveness of the Big Three.  No one envisioned the Big Three still being borderline contenders 5 years into a 3 year plan.  That is due to Rondo.

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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 09:11:49 AM »

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KG , Ray and Pierce are the best thing that ever happenned to Rondo

i doubt he would be the player he is today if he didnt have them.

  I agree with this.  They have had a great effect on Rondo's development.

  Still I believe it is a fact that the Big Three wouldn't be the players they are this late in their careers without Rondo so it goes both ways.  Rondo's ability to get them shots exactly where they want them has surely extended the effectiveness of the Big Three.  No one envisioned the Big Three still being borderline contenders 5 years into a 3 year plan.  That is due to Rondo.
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Pretty obvious that Pierce was frustrated with an obviously disengaged and apathetic Rondo Wednesday night - as he should have been.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2012, 10:17:55 AM »

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BBallTim, Celtics18 and everyone else...  do you ever get the impression that Rondo doesn't get along with his teammates?


It's been a pretty poorly kept secret that there has been a rift between the old players and Rondo for years.  Lots of whispers of Rondo having an attitude problem.  Plenty of people have written about this stuff.

I think this rift is one of the main reasons Rondo has been shopped so hard by Ainge.  The more I hear all these whispers the more it sounds like Rondo is a difficult fella to get along with behind the scenes.  You'd think this means that when the Big 3 leave and he's no longer "little brother" his attitude will improve... but when the Big 3 leave it most likely will mean a period of mediocre sub-par basketball... Anyone concerned this will translate into a disgruntled and problematic Rondo?

Or are we taking the stance that KG, Ray and Pierce are difficult to deal with and not given Rondo his proper respect?

  It wouldn't surprise me if there was some friction between Rondo and Ray or Rondo and Paul, I'd be a little more surprised if it was Rondo and KG. I'd say that the older players are as responsible for the friction as Rondo. I don't know that it's really true that Danny's been shopping Rondo hard, and I don't think that Rondo's the only star player in the league that's hard to get along with at times.

  I'm also skeptical that Rondo will be problematic after the big three, it seems pretty similar to all the claims that he'd be problematic this year due to the CP3 trade discussions.

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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2012, 10:47:48 AM »

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Like 99% of families, you have your ups and downs.
The Celtics love Rondo, Doc loves Rondo.

Pierce slapping him over the head is more a gesture of frustration with a true friend- you wouldn't do that to someone you didn't generally have A LOT of mutual respect for.

Then again, like most of these situations, we tend to see what we want to see. ie: the OP generally dislikes Rondo and would like him shipped out.

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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2012, 11:27:44 AM »

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It is evidently clear and thoroughly reported that Rondo is a highly talented, yet mercurial and often moody basketball player.  He has the ability to lead on the court (and the C's desperately want him to), but he so far has shown little to no ability to work as a locker room leader, and I fear for the next era of C's basketball if Rondo is the "Captain."

Look, the Big-3 weren't winning any solo championships before coming together in 2007.  They each brought something special to the locker room and the court, and everything has worked beautifully between them, but they needed each other to maximize their own talents.  KG has the best "leadership" qualities of the Big-3, but he probably turns off some teammates with his incessant energy and smack talk.  He is a disciplined defensive leader and no one can ever question his desire; he leads in that regard.  Allen is a terrific leader when it comes to working out, staying in shape, and practicing your shot.  Young players would be smart to follow what he has done mentally and physically over his career.  However, Allen has never been lauded as a team leader - not in Milwaukee or Seattle, and for a guy whose talent is rather limited defensively, it would be tough for him to be an all-around team leader.  Pierce, let's be honest, had his growing pains in Boston.  He's been tossed from playoff games, acted downright silly at times, and to me it was clear that he alone would never lead Boston out of average territory.  Offensively, he's unstoppable, but his defense fluctuated throughout his career and he never really took up the role of The Captain until the Big-3 came together.  Pierce is my favorite Celtic since Reggie Lewis, but he at times lacked maturity, and leaders, if anything, need to act mature.  Maturity breeds professionalism.  Professionalism equals desire, dedication, and discipline (the three D's I learned as a boy).  KG, Allen, and Pierce work wonderfully as a unit, with each bringing something necessary to the locker room and the court.  They're one of the greatest trios in NBA history because together, as one entity, they're the perfect team leader in the locker room and on the court.

Where exactly does that leave Rondo?  He's been trying over the past few years to carve out his own niche, and EVERY Celtic player and coach will say 10,000 over that the team goes as Rondo goes.  Yet, there are some games where Rondo simply doesn't show up FROM AN EFFORT STANDPOINT.  This isn't about producing unreal triple-doubles, it's about bringing energy and effort.  And, when a player doesn't bring energy and effort, it is NOT ABOUT TALENT, IT'S ABOUT DESIRE, IT'S ABOUT HEART.  When Rondo doesn't show up from an effort standpoint, he's essentially abandoning his teammates.  Leaders cannot and would not do that.

So, what is Rondo's role, and is he happy with it?  Honestly, even though he is transcendentally talented and incessantly lauded by his teammates, he's the fourth wheel of the Big-3 era.  Personally, I think he's tired of it.  I think he wants more respect.  I think he wants the old vets to back off him and appreciate him for who he is and the magical things he can do on the court.  He sees his contemporaries [Bron, Wade, Howard, Griffin, Rose], all leaders or co-leaders of their own teams, adored by the public, the media, and the league, and he wonders where is his love.  He knows he's talented enough to be a Top-10 player, but he probably feels he's being held back either by the popularity of his teammates or the system employed by his team.

Look, it's got to be tough playing with KG, Allen, and Pierce.  They're respected vets with strong personalities.  Rondo is a developing vet with a strong personality.  He's 26 years-old and the team still isn't his.  He knows he can only go so far (personally and professionally) as the fourth wheel.  But, what I feel Rondo is missing (and this deals a bit with his immaturity) is that he has it better than 99% of NBA players.  He has a yearly shot at a championship - something he may never have again after the Big-3 era - and he is adored by Celtics fans.  The media will devote entire Sports Center segments to him when he delivers the goods.  He's talented enough to throw up a triple-double every game.  All he has to do is show up WANTING TO PLAY.  Yes, the vets are tough on him, but he is too good to be this dead-eyes and unresponsive on the court.

This may be a case of Rondo learning too late in his career how good he has it now.  You know, seven years from now when he's smacking younger players in the head, telling them to play with desire and passion.  By then, it'll be too late.  KG, Allen, and Pierce will all be retired, and who knows how good the Celtics will be.  Who knows if Rondo will even be a Celtic.  He needs to live in the here and now and play for today.  But, if KG hasn't been able to get through to him yet, he probably never will.

This is all just pop psychology, of course.  I don't know Rondo personally.  But, I have a good intuition about people, and a lot of this is possible.

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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2012, 11:55:45 AM »

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I know this topic just continues to be grist for the mill, and I am loathe to bring this up but one thing I noticed in the game six loss was Rondo racing up the court against an unset Sixers defense only to pull up and wait for the rest of the team catch up. I am sure that is driving him nuts. Bradley gave Rondo a player to run and finish with. Now that Bradley is gone Rondo is frustrated. It is clear that Rondo is moody. fine. Bird was a total dick. Players from his teams have said it often. I do not think this issue is as big with the team as it is with Bill Simmons and Peter May.

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I think its just part of the chemistry on the team. Rondo is the most talented guy on the team, and a lot of times he's the guy as much as anyone on whom success or failure ultimately hang.

But, its Pierce's team, then KG's. I wouldn't presume to know how Rondo and Ray shake out after that, but Rondo is a clear subordinate in this structure.

And sometimes guys are the top of the pyramid need to bust some butt, and say/do unpopular things. Pierce thought Rondo needed to be slapped, I don't see it as much of a 'story'.

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I don't think, ultimately, that it matters. Bird/McHale didn't love each other, right? Neither did Jordan/Pippen. You think the Bulls loved Rodman personally? Shaq and Kobe as another example...