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Chris Paul's struggles.
« on: May 19, 2012, 09:31:14 PM »

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The Clippers are currently down 3-0 to the Spurs, and it seems highly unlikely that they'll be able to claw their way back into that series. 

In his last six games, Chris Paul has shot just under 37% from the field with 6.8 assists to 4.5 turnovers per game for an A/TO rate of 1.5.  The Clippers are 1 and 5 in those last six games.  He's currently losing the head to head match up with Tony Parker.   

Considering these numbers, is Chris Paul still the "hands down" best point guard in the league?  Or, is there room for challengers to that position? 

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Re: Chris Paul's struggles.
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2012, 09:34:07 PM »

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He must be injured to be playing as badly as he is.

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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2012, 09:38:14 PM »

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He must be injured to be playing as badly as he is.

Well, of course he's injured.  Who isn't?
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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Chris Paul's struggles.
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2012, 09:56:16 PM »

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Well, Magic Johnson called Rajon Rondo the best PG in the game THIS SEASON.

Rajon Rondo has found a way vs EVERY TEAM this season.

Rajon Rondo's 10+ Assists count ran for 20-something games...with nearly every lineup you can imagine.....with Ray Allen being out...KG/Pierce sitting games, you name it.

Rajon has found a way.

And to be frank with those who say "Well, Rajon plays with 3 future HOFers...no wonder he's so good." Well, that argument, the more I think about it, has very little truth to it, because:

Our Big Three are TOO OLD, supposedly. And, evidently, Chris Paul didn't want "Any Part Of" our OLD Big Three earlier this season.

So, if our Big Three are supposedly TOO OLD....then Rajon Rondo must be The Avengers all wrapped up in one - because he has been pretty much Mr. Everything for this team this year.

So, yes - Chris Paul certainly has room for challengers at his table.

Re: Chris Paul's struggles.
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2012, 10:05:43 PM »

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One more thing:

Someone PLEASE tell me this - How good is a weapon (Chris Paul's shooting) if he can't even use it?

Chris Paul has historically struggled vs Rajon Rondo and BOS.

And I guess we can add the Spurs to that list.

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2012, 10:27:12 PM »

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One more thing:

Someone PLEASE tell me this - How good is a weapon (Chris Paul's shooting) if he can't even use it?

Chris Paul has historically struggled vs Rajon Rondo and BOS.

And I guess we can add the Spurs to that list.

Chris Paul has struggled against The Celtics, not Rondo
This is a team game. The teams Chris Paul went up against in the playoffs literally threw double teams to get the ball out of his hands. Other teams knew without Paul, the rest of the Clippers would play like a chicken with its head cut off. They seemed too inept to score when Paul was on the bench or was double-teamed And it doesn't help that he has a groin injury either, which limits his quickness/mobility

I totally disagree with Charles saying Rondo has been the best point guard this season. Unlike Paul who is constantly being thrown at him, no one guards Rondo. His defenders step like 5 feet away from him daring him to shoot. Which gives him all the airspace and clear court vision for him to dominate. If Chris Paul got that airspace, he would murder the opposing teams

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2012, 10:30:36 PM »

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Rondo's playoff averages -- 15.9ppg, 13.1apg, 6.3rpg, 2.8spg on 46% FG% in 41.1mpg.

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2012, 10:30:42 PM »

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Celtics and Spurs really mirror one another in a lot of ways. Team defense stops superstars, not individual players. I love Doc but Pop is better. The spurs are the most well run team in the NBA. Much like the Patriots they run a system off of Duncan (Brady) and they do a fantastic job of putting the right players in their system. Personality sometime trumps talent but everything is for the betterment of the team. You have to really respect them especially since they are a small market team.


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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2012, 10:35:44 PM »

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One more thing:

Someone PLEASE tell me this - How good is a weapon (Chris Paul's shooting) if he can't even use it?

Chris Paul has historically struggled vs Rajon Rondo and BOS.

And I guess we can add the Spurs to that list.

Chris Paul has struggled against The Celtics, not Rondo
This is a team game. The teams Chris Paul went up against in the playoffs literally threw double teams to get the ball out of his hands. Other teams knew without Paul, the rest of the Clippers would play like a chicken with its head cut off. They seemed too inept to score when Paul was on the bench or was double-teamed And it doesn't help that he has a groin injury either, which limits his quickness/mobility

I totally disagree with Charles saying Rondo has been the best point guard this season. Unlike Paul who is constantly being thrown at him, no one guards Rondo. His defenders step like 5 feet away from him daring him to shoot. Which gives him all the airspace and clear court vision for him to dominate. If Chris Paul got that airspace, he would murder the opposing teams

Maybe.  Maybe not, though.  Let's consider that teams play Rondo and Paul differently because they have different strengths and different weaknesses.  Maybe teams know that if they played Rondo the way they play Paul, he'd carve them up even worse than he does now.

I'd actually like to see some teams pressure Rondo a little more and see how he handles it.  I think he'd do alright.  The current book on how to play Rondo isn't working out too well for the opposition, though.  

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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Chris Paul's struggles.
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2012, 10:40:26 PM »

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One more thing:

Someone PLEASE tell me this - How good is a weapon (Chris Paul's shooting) if he can't even use it?

Chris Paul has historically struggled vs Rajon Rondo and BOS.

And I guess we can add the Spurs to that list.

Chris Paul has struggled against The Celtics, not Rondo
This is a team game. The teams Chris Paul went up against in the playoffs literally threw double teams to get the ball out of his hands. Other teams knew without Paul, the rest of the Clippers would play like a chicken with its head cut off. They seemed too inept to score when Paul was on the bench or was double-teamed And it doesn't help that he has a groin injury either, which limits his quickness/mobility

I totally disagree with Charles saying Rondo has been the best point guard this season. Unlike Paul who is constantly being thrown at him, no one guards Rondo. His defenders step like 5 feet away from him daring him to shoot. Which gives him all the airspace and clear court vision for him to dominate. If Chris Paul got that airspace, he would murder the opposing teams

Well, Chris Paul had better get to murderin', I suppose, LOL.

His team will get swept if he doesn't, and that's too bad.

The amazing thing, to me, is that if Rondo were playing the Spurs, I bet he'd find a way - just like he's done most of this season. He wouldn't allow himself to be taken out of a game without punishing them some other way.

And I disagree with you on no one guarding Rondo - this season. I saw a shift in how our opponents guard Rondo when we played the Lakers this regular season....they had to put Kobe on him in that contest, and boy did Kobe guard him closely...didn't let up off of him AT ALL.

And even THEN Rajon still put up 24 pts and 10 assists (some outside, mid-range Js) in a losing contest.

But Kobe didn't cheat off of him, which, like I stated earlier - lets me know that Rajon is starting to come into his own.

It is so interesting to me how Chris Paul can have the weapons he has (his outside shot, passing, defense, DeAndre, Blake, etc) - and his team is about to be swept.

I think folks need to start climbing off the CP3 bandwagon.


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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2012, 10:44:17 PM »

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Rondo's playoff averages -- 15.9ppg, 13.1apg, 6.3rpg, 2.8spg on 46% FG% in 41.1mpg.

Absurd... I didnt like the Paul for Rondo trade when the talks started and I still dont like it. So glad we have Rondo instead.

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2012, 10:57:43 PM »

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And as for Chris Paul being injured....as one of the best PFs in the game in Zach Randolph stated just a week or so ago:

"Everyone is banged up right now."

Our own PG played with a dangled arm last yrs playoffs - remember that? That was our ONLY win vs MIA that series, too.

Our own PG needs to have his back treated during his few minutes out of every game, too - remember that he hurt his back a few weeks ago?

Rajon Rondo is MANNING UP. He's Ram Tough.

Either the number three runner up to MVP voting needs to MAN UP, or we neeed to start re-evaluating Chris Paul's ranking.

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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2012, 11:04:00 PM »

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One more thing:

Someone PLEASE tell me this - How good is a weapon (Chris Paul's shooting) if he can't even use it?

Chris Paul has historically struggled vs Rajon Rondo and BOS.

And I guess we can add the Spurs to that list.

Chris Paul has struggled against The Celtics, not Rondo
This is a team game. The teams Chris Paul went up against in the playoffs literally threw double teams to get the ball out of his hands. Other teams knew without Paul, the rest of the Clippers would play like a chicken with its head cut off. They seemed too inept to score when Paul was on the bench or was double-teamed And it doesn't help that he has a groin injury either, which limits his quickness/mobility

I totally disagree with Charles saying Rondo has been the best point guard this season. Unlike Paul who is constantly being thrown at him, no one guards Rondo. His defenders step like 5 feet away from him daring him to shoot. Which gives him all the airspace and clear court vision for him to dominate. If Chris Paul got that airspace, he would murder the opposing teams

Well, Chris Paul had better get to murderin', I suppose, LOL.

His team will get swept if he doesn't, and that's too bad.

The amazing thing, to me, is that if Rondo were playing the Spurs, I bet he'd find a way - just like he's done most of this season. He wouldn't allow himself to be taken out of a game without punishing them some other way.

And I disagree with you on no one guarding Rondo - this season. I saw a shift in how our opponents guard Rondo when we played the Lakers this regular season....they had to put Kobe on him in that contest, and boy did Kobe guard him closely...didn't let up off of him AT ALL.

And even THEN Rajon still put up 24 pts and 10 assists (some outside, mid-range Js) in a losing contest.

But Kobe didn't cheat off of him, which, like I stated earlier - lets me know that Rajon is starting to come into his own.

It is so interesting to me how Chris Paul can have the weapons he has (his outside shot, passing, defense, DeAndre, Blake, etc) - and his team is about to be swept.

I think folks need to start climbing off the CP3 bandwagon.




The reason they are about to get swept is that the Clippers have no one who can create a shot on their own besides Mo Williams, an injured Caron Bulter, and Eric Bledsoe. Other than that, they need Paul to get them going. And when you double Paul, those players don't get involved. Its different when you have Rondo, with 3 hall of famers which the opposing teams wouldn't dare double Rondo to leave any of the Big 3 open

The play I always remember is that Laker game in LA the Celtics played. That final play when Celtics were down by one and Pierce was tryin to isolate and win the game. Rondo had the ball and was tryin to give the ball to Pierce. But since Lakers knew Rondo has no jumpshot, they doubled Pierce so Rondo couldnt pass it. Only thing Rondo could do was shoot and miss. Its plays like that which won't make me agree Rondo is the best point guard this season. He's not a closer and under performs in a half-court situation

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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2012, 11:11:31 PM »

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And as for Chris Paul being injured....as one of the best PFs in the game in Zach Randolph stated just a week or so ago:

"Everyone is banged up right now."


Our own PG played with a dangled arm last yrs playoffs - remember that? That was our ONLY win vs MIA that series, too.

Our own PG needs to have his back treated during his few minutes out of every game, too - remember that he hurt his back a few weeks ago?

Rajon Rondo is MANNING UP. He's Ram Tough.

Either the number three runner up to MVP voting needs to MAN UP, or we neeed to start re-evaluating Chris Paul's ranking.

So KG's knee injury which made him miss the 2009 playoffs and hobbled in the 2010 playoffs a normal "banged up" injury? I think not. You can't judge every injury the same

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2012, 11:13:21 PM »

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For all you Rondo haters...where is your savior now...leading his team to the golf course..!!! cp3 is actually allen iverson.....big deal...no one will see the ball over 1/2 court anyway with him..!