2012 CB Historical Draft -Draft Lottery Edition - NEED VOLUNTEERS

[Moranis]

I'd almost suggest that the panelists shouldn't pay attention to the draft and when the teams are presented do so only using the stats and not the names i.e. PF/C - 18.3 ppg, 15.5 rpg, All Star, 3rd Team All NBA, etc.   Probably not that realistic, but would probably yield a better result.

I disagree a lot with this, because of the way that basketball relates to statistics. We are just now churning out advanced box-score numbers that can accurately predict just small parts of on-the-court success and failure.

Factor in different rules for different eras, different body-types, different teammates, different contextual situations, I just don't think a stats-only no names approach would have any kind of context, or would be able to give you a comprehensive picture of a team at all.

I concur with this. More than anything, I think the funnest part of this exercise is considering the on court chemistry these players would have together.

(insert heat zing here)

Yeah, probably not a great idea from more after more thought, but still just trying to figure out ways to get it more one season based.  I mean the Rodman from Detroit was a vastly different on court personality than the Rodman from Chicago, yet I think everyone would use the Rodman from Chicago personality when analyzing chemistry, fit, etc.

[Redz]

Quick question, sorry if this was already covered:

When you select a player and their best season, will the panelists take into account the rest of their career as it actually played out? Or just that one season?

For example, say I drafted 1978 Bill Walton (can't be drafted I know, but a good example). Would the panelists take into account the fact that he missed the entire next season, and never became the same player again? Or is the future as it actually occured not really suppposed to exist for the purposes of this draft, and Bill Walton is a 25 year old phenom with a promising superstar career ahead of him?

I believe its the one season, in a vacuum.

well that sucks

(Vacuum...Sucks...wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean?)

[StartOrien]

Quick question, sorry if this was already covered:

When you select a player and their best season, will the panelists take into account the rest of their career as it actually played out? Or just that one season?

For example, say I drafted 1978 Bill Walton (can't be drafted I know, but a good example). Would the panelists take into account the fact that he missed the entire next season, and never became the same player again? Or is the future as it actually occured not really suppposed to exist for the purposes of this draft, and Bill Walton is a 25 year old phenom with a promising superstar career ahead of him?

I believe its the one season, in a vacuum.

well that sucks

(Vacuum...Sucks...wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean?)

[Moranis]

Quick question, sorry if this was already covered:

When you select a player and their best season, will the panelists take into account the rest of their career as it actually played out? Or just that one season?

For example, say I drafted 1978 Bill Walton (can't be drafted I know, but a good example). Would the panelists take into account the fact that he missed the entire next season, and never became the same player again? Or is the future as it actually occured not really suppposed to exist for the purposes of this draft, and Bill Walton is a 25 year old phenom with a promising superstar career ahead of him?

I believe its the one season, in a vacuum.

well that sucks

(Vacuum...Sucks...wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean?)

totally flashed to Spaceballs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VptOUWC-Itc

[nickagneta]

Regarding the Kevin Willis one year thing, let's take things in context here, given the team that won that year and given some of the other players other people had and given some of the players that was on that Portland/Willis team, I don't think your team wasn't the winning team because Kevin Willis' best year, that occurred when his team was quite bad and had no other big men, cost you that much.

[Moranis]

Regarding the Kevin Willis one year thing, let's take things in context here, given the team that won that year and given some of the other players other people had and given some of the players that was on that Portland/Willis team, I don't think your team wasn't the winning team because Kevin Willis' best year, that occurred when his team was quite bad and had no other big men, cost you that much.

I agree, but I did get the distinct impression that Willis being a one year wonder hurt him more than if a bigger name (like the Dream) had put up the same type of year.  Likewise, I believe certain players were also propped up because of reputation that perhaps wasn't deserved for the actual season used and similarly unlikeable players (like Lebron) were also hurt. 

I also know some people used the entire career when they introduced their teams and others just used the actual season picked.  There wasn't a lot of consistency or guidelines, that really should be worked out ahead of time.

[nickagneta]

Regarding the Kevin Willis one year thing, let's take things in context here, given the team that won that year and given some of the other players other people had and given some of the players that was on that Portland/Willis team, I don't think your team wasn't the winning team because Kevin Willis' best year, that occurred when his team was quite bad and had no other big men, cost you that much.

I agree, but I did get the distinct impression that Willis being a one year wonder hurt him more than if a bigger name (like the Dream) had put up the same type of year.  Likewise, I believe certain players were also propped up because of reputation that perhaps wasn't deserved for the actual season used and similarly unlikeable players (like Lebron) were also hurt. 

I also know some people used the entire career when they introduced their teams and others just used the actual season picked.  There wasn't a lot of consistency or guidelines, that really should be worked out ahead of time.

Yeah you got to see some of the "LeBron" factor when it comes to drafts here at CB. I am sure of that.   

Remember though, that was our first year. I think we are getting better at this.

[RebusRankin]

85 and beyond is interesting. I think I know the top 7 picks but should get interesting mid first round.

[StartOrien]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-RNTsgHLw .

[GreenFaith1819]

So...I slept like a baby last night, knowing that the NBA landscape is free, for a time, from the likes of the Los Angeles Lakers.

Now...I must put aside those anti-purple and gold thoughts, and consider the possibility that I MAY have a Laker or two on my roster - depending on how things pan out.

Lord help me...such torture

[KCattheStripe]

So...I slept like a baby last night, knowing that the NBA landscape is free, for a time, from the likes of the Los Angeles Lakers.

Now...I must put aside those anti-purple and gold thoughts, and consider the possibility that I MAY have a Laker or two on my roster - depending on how things pan out.

Lord help me...such torture

[33-00-32]

Is this still alive? Wasn't something supposed to happen by now?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

BUMP.

I was wondering as well if this still goes.

[indeedproceed]

Figuring it out now, expect to hear something today.

[GreenFaith1819]

So...I slept like a baby last night, knowing that the NBA landscape is free, for a time, from the likes of the Los Angeles Lakers.

Now...I must put aside those anti-purple and gold thoughts, and consider the possibility that I MAY have a Laker or two on my roster - depending on how things pan out.

Lord help me...such torture