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Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2012, 10:39:46 AM »

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Rondo's playoff averages this year:
16 points, 13 assists, 7 rebounds, 3.5 steals, 4 turns, 45% shooting

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Rondo is above any criticism...

Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2012, 11:07:48 AM »

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Who cares, we won...whether it was the worst triple double youve ever seen or not....I agree he can not have the best performance to his standards while still putting up triple doubles..but hes above much criticism in that particular game unless youre his coach
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Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2012, 11:27:21 AM »

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Rajon Rondo is tied for fifth all-time (with The Big O) at 8 playoff trip-dubs. Oscar had 8 in 14 years, Rajon's got 8 in six years. Magic leads with 30 in 13 campaigns. In comparison, LeBron James has 6 (six) in nine seasons. Kobe is not even on the list.

http://www.sportscity.com/nba/nba-all-time-triple-doubles-181/

I think this is why a lot of people -- myself including -- find the triple double emphasis to be a bit misguided.  Rondo has more triple doubles than Michael Jordan.  Does that suggest in any way that he was more impactful of a player?  Of course not.  Yet, when people see "triple double", they automatically assume a player had a dominant game.

Rondo has probably had 50 games where he was better than in Game 1.  He played pretty poorly for most of three quarters (3 points, 1-for-7, 6 turnovers).  However, because he reached some arbitrary statistical plateaus, people are talking almost like this was a historically great game.  It wasn't.  It was a great final 13 minutes, and that should be celebrated.  However, it would have been a great fourth quarter even if his final stat line didn't include the requisite 10-10-10.

I'll take KG's last two games over Rondo's last two triple-doubles.  Most importantly, though, each of those efforts came in a win, so the rest is just nit-picking.
I don't think he had a historically great game and I criticized Rondo for his defense in his last triple double game and also for his meh play during that game.

But I didn't see it this game.

He rebounded well all game and he involved his team mates well all game. Your stats of 6 rebounds and 12 assists in three quarters prove that. Also, his one on one defense on Holiday was also very good all game. It was Bradley that was guarding Turner.

He didn' shoot well in the first three quarters but only KG did on the whole team and he had some bad turnovers but he also was given credit for a couple to's that weren't his fault.

I will say this, what I can't stand at times about Rondo is his transition defense when he does make a turnover. There's three types of ballhandling players that when they turn the ball over do a certain thing:

1. THE HUSTLE BACK AND TRY TO MAKE SURE THE TURNOVER DOESN":T COST THE TEAM ANYTHING PLAYER- this is not Rondo

2. THE PUT YOUR HEAD DOWN AN BEAT YOURSELF UP OVER THE TURNOVER PLAYER - Rondo has too much confidence to be this player

3. THE COMPLAIN THE THE REFS AND TELL YOUR TEAMMATES WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING SO THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN PLAYER - Not only is Rondo in this group but so is Pierce which means bad turnovers by those two usually lead to transition baskets for the other team as neither hustle backs on transition defense when they turn the ball over.

Case in point was that horrible brain fart between them in the third after Boston had come back and taken a 4 point lead. It took KG to come back and force Iguodala into a miss and then KG goal tended the put back rebound by the Evan Turner. Pierce and Rondo were so busy blaming each other neither got back and put a defensive body on turner who got the miss after a great KG play to stop the layup by AI.

I think Rondo had a pretty good overall game until the last thirteen minutes and then took over the game and turned that pretty good game into a really good game because of his performance in the fourth.

Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2012, 12:22:02 PM »

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Gotta disagree.

Rondo expended a ton of energy on defense last night, hit some of the most clutch shots in the whole game in the fourth, made that extremely intelligent foul with three seconds left in the game, he also made the play at the end of the game to run the clock out and had some huge rebounds and key passes in the fourth.

I think he tried to get his team mates involved just a little too much and made some poor decisions but once he worked that out he was magnificent.

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Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2012, 01:16:38 PM »

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Rajon Rondo 6'1/182 lbs - 13 pts, 12 rebounds, 17 assists, 4 steals

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Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2012, 01:40:58 PM »

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5 pages of discussion on that one liner?  If I didn't love the sound of my own fingers typing I'd probably get stage fright and post plain vanilla posts every time.  But what's the fun in that?

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Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
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FWIW note: it was probably a poorly worded one liner

he had an uneven game in my opinion - but the pluses outweigh the minuses so it was a good game

but to play devils advocate, how many triple doubles in history were ever "bad"?  so my point was probably that it was a good game, just not great by triple-double-standards

does that make sense?  if not, then...

both teams played hard, both teams played hard, both teams played hard
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Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
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FWIW note: it was probably a poorly worded one liner

he had an uneven game in my opinion - but the pluses outweigh the minuses so it was a good game

but to play devils advocate, how many triple doubles in history were ever "bad"?  so my point was probably that it was a good game, just not great by triple-double-standards

does that make sense?  if not, then...

both teams played hard, both teams played hard, both teams played hard
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FWIW note: it was probably a poorly worded one liner

he had an uneven game in my opinion - but the pluses outweigh the minuses so it was a good game

but to play devils advocate, how many triple doubles in history were ever "bad"?  so my point was probably that it was a good game, just not great by triple-double-standards


Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2012, 03:31:23 PM »

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aww man, did I just kill the conversation?

that'll teach me to be diplomatic

more shock-jock coming right up
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Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
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aww man, did I just kill the conversation?

that'll teach me to be diplomatic

more shock-jock coming right up

  Haha. I was being nice and refraining from "conversing". But, if that's what you want, fine. It's true Rondo didn't have his best game, or his best triple double. But OTOH, he had more rebounds than anyone else on the court, he had 17 assists even though he spent most of his game playing with three players (out of Bass, PP, Ray and Bradley) who had trouble throwing the ball into the ocean. He made 3 big baskets down the stretch and also had 5 rebounds and 4 assists in the 4th and was largely responsible for our late game comeback.

  What's your assumption that most triple doubles are better than that based on, especially the ones you didn't witness?

Re: Good win last night, but I'm with Jeff...
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  What's your assumption that most triple doubles are better than that based on, especially the ones you didn't witness?


I'm gonna say, Rondo's wasn't the worst triple-double ever.

Going on the classic "points, rebounds, assists" triple-doubles, Kobe Bryant might have the worst one:

10 points, 3-for-12 shooting, 12 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 turnovers

The full list is here.  Keep in mind it doesn't have games prior to around the mid-80s.


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  What's your assumption that most triple doubles are better than that based on, especially the ones you didn't witness?


I'm gonna say, Rondo's wasn't the worst triple-double ever.

Going on the classic "points, rebounds, assists" triple-doubles, Kobe Bryant might have the worst one:

10 points, 3-for-12 shooting, 12 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 turnovers

The full list is here.  Keep in mind it doesn't have games prior to around the mid-80s.
Larry has one that's right up their with Kobe's  11 points 4-for-17 shooting, 15 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 turnovers