Did Rondo Out Play Teague in Game 3?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Teague played great...but mostly for himself. It is far easier to get the ball, and go do your thing...shoot, layups....ect. A man who leads his team, gets them all involved, and thinks of himself last, but still gets it done...THAT is a team leader = RONDO... Look at jordon....he used to score 50 a night...but he never went anywhere until he brought the rest of the team with him......and it isn't that easy either..not something you just do.....it takes 100% more bball IQ to be a team leader. I don't yet know if teague can do it..but he hasn't yet. So many here microanalyze rondo....but they don't hold anyone else on the team to the same standards. Rondo turns it over "trade him"  PP holds the ball forever and loses it....oh well, he is the cap'n....ray had turnovers, kg....ect.....rondo is on track with the GREATS of the league.....in all league history.....dispute that at the peril of your own credibility.....!

[Yogi]

Rondo had the most assists in the NBA yesterday. (when his team shot 40%)
Rondo had the most steals in the NBA yesterday.
Rondo had the second most rebounds in the NBA yesterday.  More than Andrew Bynum.
Rondo shut down Hinrich who he was guarding.
Teague is a good player.  He scored on both Bradley and Rondo sometimes, but mostly on fast breaks.  Teague had a great game for Teague and a good game in general.  Rondo had a good game for Rondo, but a historic game in general.  If you need more convincing, imagine if their games were reversed... there would be threads of MVP Teague not did Rondo outplay him.  

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Rondo had the most assists in the NBA yesterday. (when his team shot 40%)
Rondo had the most steals in the NBA yesterday.
Rondo had the second most rebounds in the NBA yesterday.  More than Andrew Bynum.
Rondo shut down Hinrich who he was guarding.
Teague is a good player.  He scored on both Bradley and Rondo sometimes, but mostly on fast breaks.  Teague had a great game for Teague and a good game in general.  Rondo had a good game for Rondo, but a historic game in general.  If you need more convincing, imagine if their games were reversed... there would be threads of MVP Teague not did Rondo outplay him.  

Dern...I thought my post was aggressive and to the point..ya dun outdid me...great post...! TP..!

[Vermont Green]

Who won the game? 
That is all.

We won game 2 also but Rondo didn't help much with that one so what was "all" that?  Just because we won doesn't mean that Rondo had a good game.  I am glad we won and Rondo did contribute but so did Steisma (3 Rebs, 2 Blks in 6 Min).

Rondo did have a good game.  A triple double with some highlight reel plays.  Teague also had a good game.  Rondos game trumps Teagues because they both played well but Rondo and the Celtics got the W.  Not really sure what the relevance of game 2 is here.  Rondo didn't play, I know that.  The question asked was did Rondo outplay Teague in game 3.  I stated my opinion on game 3, who's talking about game 2? 

You were using as evidence that Rondo played better the fact that we won.  I don't understand that logic as what if Joe Johnson had hit a couple of 3s and we lost.  I don't see how that changes the Rondo Teague comparison.  Sounds like you think Rondo played better and that is your answer to the question.  OK, fair enough.

[Celtics4ever]

Triple double for the win.    I thought though we tried to use the matchup a little too much down the stretch.  Doc knows we can post up Teague but Rondo didn't always look comfortable as it is not his usual forte.

[Vermont Green]

Rondo gets the edge for taking over the game in overtime.

Rondo in overtime 2-5 FG (missed 2 lay-ups), 1-2 FT, 2 Rebs, and couple of nice passes for assists I think.

Took over?

What did Teague do?

OK, if you are saying that Rondo played better in the OT than Teague and that is why you feel Rondo was overall better, that I get.  I just didn't see Rondo take over anything.  If not for KG slamming home his missed layup, Rondo well could have been the goat.

[Vermont Green]

It is far easier to get the ball, and go do your thing...shoot, layups....ect.

I don't know, I hate to be contradictory but it is not that hard for Rondo because they don't even cover him.  He gets wide open mid range shots (his defender nowhere in sight) and he gets layups because his man is off double teaming Pierce.  This also makes it easier to get rebounds because there is no one to box him out.  He just goes where ever he wants to.

There is no question that Rondo is a good passer and rebounder but it is not like the defense has a plan to shut down Rondo.  Just the opposite, it is leave him open double team everyone else.

[BballTim]

Microcosm game for all that is Rondo.  Flashes of brilliance and periods of being a nonentity.  The box score looks good and they won the game, but there were definite moments where he was ineffective out there.  Teague was certainly more consistent.

  Teague went scoreless with 1 rebound, no assists and 1 turnover over the last 10 minutes of the game (including the overtime). Luckily for the Hawks he was consistent throughout the game and didn't have any periods when he was ineffective...

[BballTim]

It is far easier to get the ball, and go do your thing...shoot, layups....ect.

I don't know, I hate to be contradictory but it is not that hard for Rondo because they don't even cover him.  He gets wide open mid range shots (his defender nowhere in sight) and he gets layups because his man is off double teaming Pierce.

There is no question that Rondo is a good passer and rebounder but it is not like the defense has a plan to shut down Rondo.  Just the opposite, it is leave him open double team everyone else.

  The teams give Rondo some space when he's on the perimeter, but clearly they guard him. Watch the play when Rondo dribbles past KG and Bass and then passes them the ball because both his defender and their defender are on Rondo. They run that 8-10 times a game, you should be able to catch it at least once. This isn't 2008.

[SHAQATTACK]

Rondo is 99.9% team driven.  

I don't like guys like Teague , never like to play sports against them.  They are out there with a chip on their shoulder , aways thinking they have to be a hotdog to get respect. He seems always like he is on a personal mission with something to prove to the whole world, more than out to help his team .  I'm a little fellow , but I'm as tuff as good as anybody. AB is totally unlike this.

Teague is the type of guy to walk into a bar an pick a fight with Larwence Taylor , somebody 3 times his size.....

Kid has an axe to grind and hates the Celtics .  

They can keep him.  I'll take Rondo and his moodyness anyday over tessy Teague.

[Redz]

Microcosm game for all that is Rondo.  Flashes of brilliance and periods of being a nonentity.  The box score looks good and they won the game, but there were definite moments where he was ineffective out there.  Teague was certainly more consistent.

  Teague went scoreless with 1 rebound, no assists and 1 turnover over the last 10 minutes of the game (including the overtime). Luckily for the Hawks he was consistent throughout the game and didn't have any periods when he was ineffective...

fine...go ahead and refute my memory with facts

[KGs Knee]

17 points, 14 rebounds, 12 assists.  That is a good game in my book.

Could it have been better?  Sure.  Rondo didn't shoot a high % and did have 6 turnovers.  He absolutely outplayed Teague though.

Rondo affected the game in far more ways than Teague could ever hope to.

Sometimes I think people take what Rondo does for granted, and can't seen to appreciate his game when he doesn't play at an epic level.

[bostonman1]

Rondo had a very good 4th quarter and OT.  He was not playing well until that point.  He deserves credit for getting the team going when they finally raced out to an 11 point lead.  Conversely he also showed zero urgency in the first half when the Celtic's offense was terrible.  And in the last 4 minutes of the 4th quarter where the Celtics didn't score was painful.  Twice the C's couldn't even get shots off to hit the rim largely because Rondo was standing around and showing no urgency as the shot clock wound down. 

And as mentioned earlier if KG doesn't crash the boards there it would be another missed point blank layup.  Rondo seems to miss the shot often on that ball reversal trick, sure the move is great to see but have to make the layup to complete the play.

And defensively yes Rondo had key steals but also played poorly when guarding Teague on key possessions.  Twice in the 4th quarter Teague had the ball with the shot clock winding down.  Instead of just staying in front of Teague and forcing up a contested jumper, Rondo went for the lazy reach around steal and what happened --- Teague drove right by and converted baskets twice as the shot clock expired.  Rondo has got to be smarter knowing that the clock is winding down and just play solid position defense instead of going for the flashy steal.

Rondo converted zero jump shots, missed several layups, had 6 turnovers, led a Celtic's offensive meltdown in the last 4 minutes of regulation and had several key defensive lapses.  However he also ignited the team during the 4th quarter, and was the most aggressive Celtic during overtime on both sides of the ball.

He also had 12 of the C's 18 assists, 4 steals, 17 points and incredibly led the team in rebounding.  His aggression on both ends likely saved the game for the Celtics.

To just look at stats and say 'Rondo had a triple double he was awesome' makes no sense.  To watch the game and put into context his actual performance on both ends shows he was great in some facets, terrible in others but ultimately led the team to victory which is what mattered most tonight...

[BballTim]

Microcosm game for all that is Rondo.  Flashes of brilliance and periods of being a nonentity.  The box score looks good and they won the game, but there were definite moments where he was ineffective out there.  Teague was certainly more consistent.

  Teague went scoreless with 1 rebound, no assists and 1 turnover over the last 10 minutes of the game (including the overtime). Luckily for the Hawks he was consistent throughout the game and didn't have any periods when he was ineffective...

fine...go ahead and refute my memory with facts

  I'm just saying, if people watched other players as closely and critically as they watch Rondo they'd probably come to the conclusion that half the players in the league would need to improve to start in the D league.

[Smitty77]

I LOVE RR!!  However, the Efficiency Rating at popcornmachine.net says that Teague was a +26 and Rondo was a +25.  Technically, Teague outplayed him, although I thought that Bradley and even Ray were guarding Teague, esp. Bradley before he went out.  So, it really was NOT head to head.

Being that it was so close, I believe the fact that RR showed up in the 4th and OT and Teague didn't (as much), would give the edge to OUR boy in green:-))  (I realize that many of you have already pointed this out:-))

As for Teague playing for himself.  That is ridiculous.  A 25 point scorer (Josh) was out for them and he HAD to score.  Give the kid a break here!!  I bet he was doing exactly what his coach asked of him.  Teague is definitely more of a scorer and RR more of a distributor.  There is clearly a place for BOTH int he league.

That being said, we have to do a better job of providing help in the lane once the quick JT gets by our guards at the top.  That would be my FIRST order of business in practice if I was Doc.

Smitty77