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Re: Avery Bradley: Is his upside Monta Ellis who can Bigtime D?
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2012, 12:20:29 AM »

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I could never see Bradley putting up 25 shots a game.

I dont see the comparison really.

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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2012, 12:27:25 AM »

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How about his opposite number in this series as a comparison, Mr Kirk Hinrich?

In his younger years when Hinrich was with the Bulls, an All-League defensive guard who was a 16ppg and 6apg offensive threat. Could play both guard positions.
I think this comparison is fair for now.

I am not a fan of possible future comparisons, so I am not interesting in who his 'upside' is. He doesn't seem to have the mindset though to be a gunner like Ellis.

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How about his opposite number in this series as a comparison, Mr Kirk Hinrich?

In his younger years when Hinrich was with the Bulls, an All-League defensive guard who was a 16ppg and 6apg offensive threat. Could play both guard positions.

Well, considering hes already AT that level and hes still raw and young as heck, I would hardly cosider Hinrich bradleys "upside"

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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2012, 12:57:38 AM »

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How about his opposite number in this series as a comparison, Mr Kirk Hinrich?

In his younger years when Hinrich was with the Bulls, an All-League defensive guard who was a 16ppg and 6apg offensive threat. Could play both guard positions.

Well, considering hes already AT that level and hes still raw and young as heck, I would hardly cosider Hinrich bradleys "upside"

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Hinrich is 31 he aint that old, he was never a star, hes a career role player, Bradley has much bigger potential then that and according to Dooling "superstar" potential.
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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2012, 02:41:16 AM »

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The guy that Avery reminds me of is Gerald Henderson.  I assume that in a couple of years AB will be a much better player than Gerald.

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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2012, 02:47:43 AM »

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It never ceases to amaze me how underrated Monta Ellis is on this board.  I don't know if it's just a lingering distaste after the Monta-for-Ray talk a few years back or whatever, but it seems like people here never really realize how good he is.

From a physical standpoint, Ellis is a very good comp for Bradley - similar size, build and athleticism.  On defense, Bradley is the clear winner - he defends at arguably an All-NBA level.  Having said that, Monta's not quite the defensive nonentity that he's made out to be.  He's a gambler and his effort is inconsistent, but when dialed in he's a solid defender with a good ability to keep his man in front of him.  Like Bradley, he has issues with larger guards shooting over the top of him.  

On the other side of the ball, Monta is an volume shooter while Avery picks his spots - their mentalities couldn't be any different.  Ellis has an elite ability to create his own shot and is a good passer despite his reputation.  Bradley can't make either of those claims, and truthfully it's difficult to predict whether he'll ever get there - it's hard to say how much his handle and his vision will improve over time.  

Bradley's potential depends largely improving those two areas and refining his shooting stroke, as well as what kind of role he is asked to play on his team going forward.  I highly doubt that he'll ever become Monta's equal on offense, but I no longer believe that he'll be fighting an uphill battle to become average - he could be considerably more than that.

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I don't see value in Monta Ellis because I don't respect inefficient volume scoring wings who are not good three-point shooters and aren't useful defenders.  The Celtics should never ever ever seek to acquire that sort of player, at least not for any significant salary.
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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2012, 04:43:02 AM »

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Oh man I hope he is. That's something. If he can take over games offensively like Monta can, add that all NBA level defense that would be great.

Unfortunately I don't see him like that, but it'll be good to hope that he could be.
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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2012, 08:02:27 AM »

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So far his D on Teague has not been stellar.  Let's hope he adjusts to the playoffs.  While he has not played bad he has not been himself.  He should turn the corner soon though.

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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2012, 08:08:11 AM »

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1. Ht with out shoes:ME 6'2 1/4" AB 6'2".
2 Ht with shoes both 6'3 1/4



How's one listed at 6'3 and the other a whole inch shorter...Do they just make up heights? Haha...

Now that I know Avery is actually 6'3 I'm a bit more persuaded that he can actually be our future starting SG.

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« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2012, 09:02:49 AM »

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So far his D on Teague has not been stellar.  Let's hope he adjusts to the playoffs.  While he has not played bad he has not been himself.  He should turn the corner soon though.

Id say it was pretty stellar in game 2.

Doc also mentioned how much they used Bradley for help defense, which sounded kinda like the Rondo role. It was the defense scheme that was making Bradley man look good. Once they switched that in the second half Teague was non-existent

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How about his opposite number in this series as a comparison, Mr Kirk Hinrich?

In his younger years when Hinrich was with the Bulls, an All-League defensive guard who was a 16ppg and 6apg offensive threat. Could play both guard positions.

Well, considering hes already AT that level and hes still raw and young as heck, I would hardly cosider Hinrich bradleys "upside"

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Hinrich is 31 he aint that old, he was never a star, hes a career role player, Bradley has much bigger potential then that and according to Dooling "superstar" potential.

Hinrich was a borderline star

of course Nocioni was too...
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« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2012, 11:17:38 AM »

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1. Ht with out shoes:ME 6'2 1/4" AB 6'2".
2 Ht with shoes both 6'3 1/4



How's one listed at 6'3 and the other a whole inch shorter...Do they just make up heights? Haha...

Now that I know Avery is actually 6'3 I'm a bit more persuaded that he can actually be our future starting SG.
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« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2012, 11:53:13 AM »

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Id say it was pretty stellar in game 2.

You would be wrong then, Teague had 18 Points and he is not a superstar.   Sure his shooting % was low but I have faith Bradley can do better on him.