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Avery Bradley: Is his upside Monta Ellis who can Bigtime D?
« on: May 02, 2012, 01:32:10 PM »

Offline csfansince60s

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I think that AB's upside is a more physically gifted Monta Ellis who can lock down D. That's a scary proposition, and again his max upside is not necessarily what he'll become, but I think that he has the potential to get there.

They have many similarities. Both came into the league as teens. (hard to believe that Ellis has been in the league 6 or 7 years already, seems like he has been around forever.)

Their combine #s were very close:
1. Ht with out shoes:ME 6'2 1/4" AB 6'2".
2 Ht with shoes both 6'3 1/4
3. Wt: ME 177 AB 180
4. Wingspan: ME 6'2 3/4" and AB 6'7 1/4"
5. Stndg Reach: both 8'2"
6. No step vertical: ME 26.5 and AB 31.5
7. Max Vertical: ME 31.5 and AB 37.5
8. Lane Agility: ME 12.13 and AB 11.47
9. 3/4 court sprint: ME 3.31 and AB 3.14

Also consider their first years' numbers. I am using Bradley's numbers from this year compared to Ellis' first year, because I think that that is a fair comparison given what they both came into situationallly. This slightly favors Bradley in the comparison as he played both at UT and D-League and Ellis came right out of HS.

1.GP: ME 49 and AB 64
2.MPG: ME 18 and AB 21
3.FG%: ME 41 and AB 49
4.FT%: ME 71 and AB 79
5.3pt%: ME 34 and AB 40
6.RPG: ME 2.14 and AB 1.80
7.APG: ME 1.59 and AB 1.36
8.BPG: ME .22 and AB .66
9.TO: ME 1.18 and AB 1.17
10:PPG: ME 6.82 and AB 7.56

While AB may never be the offensive player that Ellis is, he seems to have the physical tools and commitment to approach Ellis' level offensively. Let's hope so. As we know, on D, there is no comparison.

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2012, 01:38:57 PM »

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A) If you underline everything, nothing is important.

B) Monta Ellis is defined by his scoring, but beyond that he's defined by the way he scores. For a couple of years there 2 years ago or so, Monta was hands down the best guy in the league at getting into the lane to score. Lightening quick, and contortionist to boot and an excellent ball-handler, just a nightmare for anyone to guard, plus he was great at drawing contact.

Right now, that's not avery's game.

I'm not sure you can really compare him to anyone, and trust me, I'm 100% on the bandwagon now. I spent half of last night's game explaining to my brother (a lapsed fan) and the bartender at the bar we were at why Avery Bradley was a fan's dream.

He's a 6'2 ball of energy, like a cocker spaniel on adderoll with a pull-up jumper that just doesn't belong. I don't think anyone in the NBA that gets consistent minutes accurately replicates what he brings on both sides of the ball.
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2012, 01:41:22 PM »

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I like to think that if Bradley can develop a little more passing vision he could be a poor man's Joe Dumars - which would still be a better player than Monta Ellis.

He has shown so much improvement over the year. I can't wait to see what he can do next year. (and for the rest of these playoffs!!)
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2012, 01:44:58 PM »

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Quote from: IndeedProceed on May 02, 2012, 01:38:57 PM
A) If you underline everything, nothing is important.
 

Thanks, Indeed....did fix the underlining after I posted and called it back up and saw it. Not too tech savvy here.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 01:45:17 PM »

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Please don't compare Bradley to that blackhole
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2012, 01:45:42 PM »

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Quote from: Mr October on May 02, 2012, 01:41:22 PM
I like to think that if Bradley can develop a little more passing vision he could be a poor man's Joe Dumars - which would still be a better player than Monta Ellis.

He has shown so much improvement over the year. I can't wait to see what he can do next year. (and for the rest of these playoffs!!)
I was saying his ultimate upside was Dumars when he was drafted.  was feeling I overreached until the past couple of months when he became consistently productive.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2012, 01:49:38 PM »

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Quote from: slamtheking on May 02, 2012, 01:45:42 PM
Quote from: Mr October on May 02, 2012, 01:41:22 PM
I like to think that if Bradley can develop a little more passing vision he could be a poor man's Joe Dumars - which would still be a better player than Monta Ellis.

He has shown so much improvement over the year. I can't wait to see what he can do next year. (and for the rest of these playoffs!!)
I was saying his ultimate upside was Dumars when he was drafted.  was feeling I overreached until the past couple of months when he became consistently productive.

He still has a ways to go, but he's making tremendous progress. Bradley could be down right scary in 2 years. Good call back then on the Dumars call. The biggest difference right now is the passing. But i am even seeing improvement there. Its exciting to have another young legit player on this team AND one that complements Rondo so well.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2012, 01:50:01 PM »

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Quote from: IndeedProceed on May 02, 2012, 01:38:57 PM
like a cocker spaniel on adderoll

I think he's more like an over-caffeinated mongoose, but tomayto, tomahto.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 01:52:40 PM »

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Quote from: Lucky17 on May 02, 2012, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: IndeedProceed on May 02, 2012, 01:38:57 PM
like a cocker spaniel on adderoll

I think he's more like an over-caffeinated mongoose, but tomayto, tomahto.

I can get behind that, but he's no rikki tikki tavvi.
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 01:53:45 PM »

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Quote from: OsirusCeltics on May 02, 2012, 01:45:17 PM
Please don't compare Bradley to that blackhole

The comparison was more to AB's offensive productivity potential and physical attributes and similarities (although the combine #s say AB is a better athlete) than to Ellis' game as a whole.

If you told me right now that AB could O like Ellis can and be a premier defender to boot, I take that, black hole or no black hole.
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 01:54:52 PM »

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Yeah, I don't get this comparison at all.  They are almost polar opposites as players.  While Bradley certainly is quick, he still struggles with the nuances of offense.  Avery often puts himself in situtation on offense where he drives to close to the basket and can't finish.

The pure scorers, like Ellis, understand how to score in a multitude of ways and can really finish.  Avery isn't there (and he may never get there).

And on the defensive end, there is simply no comparison.
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 01:55:57 PM »

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Monta Ellis is one of the most skilled offensive players in the league and can't play a lick of defense.

Him and Bradley are polar opposites
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2012, 01:58:12 PM »

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I will continue to push my Hersey Hawkins comp.
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2012, 02:24:09 PM »

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AB really needs to work on his handles to be anything like Ellis in the offense department.  Thankfully he has Rondo to get him the ball.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2012, 02:26:18 PM »

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I can see the comparison as far as physicaly attributes. Similar height speed and athletecism. Avery can't dribble as well yet but I think it will come. However bradley never takes a bad shot always tries hard and is a stalwart defensively. I think bradley's ceiling is monta if monta could live up to his potential by playing defense and improving his shot selection.
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