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Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 10:54:33 PM »

Offline bfrombleacher

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Stiemsma > Hollins

Hollins has experience though. Stiems's time will come, don't worry.

Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 10:55:14 PM »

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I think Stiemsma is a bad match up against the hawks. Given their athleticism and fast pace, Hollins' energy seems to give him an edge.
100% agree, give Hollins a few more minutes.

Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 10:56:30 PM »

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With Greg's foot issue, Hollins can run faster and jump higher. Doc will use whoever matches up well with the opponent. Greg will be fine. He just does not have a lot of pluses against this Hawks team.
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Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 10:58:14 PM »

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After all he's the only player on this team who played a rebounder's role in his career.


WHAT???

Ryan Hollins is a horrible rebounder and BTW, KG kinda led the league in rebounding like 4 straight years, so I don't think you are 100% correct in your statement.
They both had those roles. KG hasn't been an offensive rebounder in 5 years and Hollins, whether good at it or not, was asked to crash the boards.

Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2012, 10:58:29 PM »

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Maybe Doc decided the refs were a bad matchup for Stiemsma.
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Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2012, 10:59:29 PM »

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What I noticed was it was right after the Hawks went a little small and Williams was at the 4.  Steam switched and Teague hit a 3 over him after a pick and roll.  Steam is a better rebounder and shot blocker but Hollins is a little better covering quicker guys.

I don't think it's worth reading too much into.  I think it's great though that Doc has options.  Hollins and Steamer are both already better than Jason Collins.

Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2012, 11:09:37 PM »

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Greg seems to be used to protect a lead . more than gain one.
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Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2012, 11:12:41 PM »

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Everyone talks about the Hawks being a bad match up for Steamer, but he was a +10 in Efficiency in game one and was NOT playing bad in game two.

Don't get me wrong.  I am THRILLED that we won!!! 

I just don't get why we didn't see us using KG and Steamer and Bass on the front line posting up a LOT with Atlanta's VERY THIN front line.

Doc always seems to react to the other team rather than making them react.  That frustrates me and might explain why Doc has a barely over .500 playoff winning percentage.

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P.S.  I do appreciate Doc, but still have a right to question some of his decisions.

Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2012, 11:17:55 PM »

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Everyone talks about the Hawks being a bad match up for Steamer, but he was a +10 in Efficiency in game one and was NOT playing bad in game two.

Don't get me wrong.  I am THRILLED that we won!!!  

I just don't get why we didn't see us using KG and Steamer and Bass on the front line posting up a LOT with Atlanta's VERY THIN front line.

Doc always seems to react to the other team rather than making them react.  That frustrates me and might explain why Doc has a barely over .500 playoff winning percentage.

Smitty77

P.S.  I do appreciate Doc, but still have a right to question some of his decisions.

This sums up my feelings pretty well. TP. I loved that the Celtics were calling KG's number, going right at Smith after Collins fouled out. (Though I hope his knee is alright.) But I was aggravated throughout the Cs' run that Rivers didn't at some point sub in a second big to actually take advantage of the Hawks small line up. And I'd be killing our coach right now if the Celtics had lost with Daniels on the floor over Bass or Stiemsma.

But they didn't, they won. It's the coaching equivalent of one of Pierce's "no, no, no, yes!" jump shots.


Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2012, 11:22:21 PM »

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It wasn't Greg it was Marvin Williams.  He played all his minutes at PF and Smith played the rest.  Stiemsma happens to be a center, not a SF.

Doc felt the need to play KG 40 minutes tonight so that limited Stiemsma to 8.
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Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2012, 11:25:51 PM »

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It wasn't Greg it was Marvin Williams.  He played all his minutes at PF and Smith played the rest.  Stiemsma happens to be a center, not a SF.

Doc felt the need to play KG 40 minutes tonight so that limited Stiemsma to 8.

But why let a guy that's averaging 10.2 ppg on 43% shooting over the season, and 2.5 ppg on sub-20% shooting in the series, dictate the match-up?

Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2012, 11:27:46 PM »

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Everyone talks about the Hawks being a bad match up for Steamer, but he was a +10 in Efficiency in game one and was NOT playing bad in game two.

Don't get me wrong.  I am THRILLED that we won!!! 

I just don't get why we didn't see us using KG and Steamer and Bass on the front line posting up a LOT with Atlanta's VERY THIN front line.

Doc always seems to react to the other team rather than making them react.  That frustrates me and might explain why Doc has a barely over .500 playoff winning percentage.

Smitty77

P.S.  I do appreciate Doc, but still have a right to question some of his decisions.
Doc played him less and the team won. Doesn't that mean he made the right decision? If he played him more and the team lost would that have been a better decision?

Doc's playoff winning percentage with the C's: 58.6% BTW if you have an over .500 winning percentage in every playoff series you play in, you will win a championship every time you make the playoffs. Coaches with worse career playoff winning percentage than Doc:

Rick Carlisle
Larry Brown
Bill Fitch
Jerry Sloan
And every other coach except 30 others in the history of the NBA.

Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2012, 11:29:08 PM »

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this was a pretty standard playoff match
thing never come easily
thy made the baskets that counts and they won
lets all be happy and hope all this isnt a mirage
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Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2012, 11:34:12 PM »

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Maybe Doc decided the refs were a bad matchup for Stiemsma.

TP

Guy cannot get a break. Was funny at first now you really have to wonder.

Re: What did Greg do wrong tonight??
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2012, 08:35:17 AM »

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Someone else brought this up, but why did he ONLY play 8 minutes??? 

Matchups.  I mentioned in another thread how great a game Doc had strategically.  Stiemer played fine while he was in, but we couldn't play our best defensive lineup with him out there.  In a normal game, I think our best defensive group is Rondo-Bradley-Pierce(Pietrus)-KG-Stiemer.  Our best lineup last night was Bradley-Pietrus-Quise-Pierce-KG.  You can't play Stiemer with that group, that puts Pierce back on Joe Johnson or their 2.  I think Pierce was playing the 4 defensively last night and I think that kept him fresh for offense down the stretch.

Stiemer will be back in the rotation when Rondo comes back because our offense will be better.