Guess what ref was a part of the April 11th Celts-Hawks game?

[CelticG1]

Remember that game against the Hawks where we kept getting bogus calls against us at the end? KG and Stiemsma fouling out. One of the few times where people thought the refs were stealing a game from us where it actually seemed true.

Marc Davis was an official of that game. I was thinking about it this morning some of the terrible calls that happened and I just couldn't get past that out of bounds call that went against us. It was such a blatant bad call almost as if it were predetermined. It reminded me of those bogus , confusing,  something out of nothing calls that were made in that regular season Hawks game and sure enough I find that idiots name in the boxscore.

[droopdog7]

Here's the thing.  I am convinced that the (apparent) bad call the same ref made on the out of bounds play between rondo and smith a couple of plays earlier contributed to rondos reaction.  I am surprised they didn't show the replay but it looked to be out on smith from my angle.

I guess rondo couldn't take both calls.

[CelticG1]

Here's the thing.  I am convinced that the (apparent) bad call the same ref made on the out of bounds play between rondo and smith a couple of plays earlier contributed to rondos reaction.  I am surprised they didn't show the replay but it looked to be out on smith from my angle.

I guess rondo couldn't take both calls.

It was clearly off Smith and the tnt guys played it over and over again after the game. I thought it was pretty blatantly off Smith when I was watching, I was shocked.

Davis immediately said it was Hawks ball without hesitation. He either completely missed it or was just going to give ot to the Hawks anyway. No replay, no looking at other refs, no jump balls. 2 minutes left at a crucial time.

That definitely led to the Rondo situation.

[chambers]

I'm baffled at how many people continue to push as much blame on the refs for our game 1 loss.

The fact is that we dug ourselves into a hole so deep, that we had the slimmest chance possible of coming out of it. We were almost there. Unfortunately, Rondo lost his composure and from that point on we were out of the game.

The refs aren't to blame for a 17 point lead or whatever it was against a heavily depleted, depth-lacking, size lacking Atlanta Hawks team that we should DESTROY 9 times out of 10.

The refs made mistakes, but the Celtics lost the game themselves.
There was clearly a case for a foul to be called against Bass there- if it was Rondo on the floor getting his head ripped off by Ivan Johnson you'd be wailing about how terrible the reffing was and how it should have been a foul.

Make your bed, you sleep in it.

[Marcus13]

Yep.

This one is completely on the incompetence of NBA officiating.  I don't blame Rondo one bit; that was totally normal human reaction to being screwed over

[RAcker]

Come on, guys.  There were some terrible calls, but those in no way cost us this game.

We looked rusty...period.  How about getting on our guys like Bass who didn't show up until it was too late?  How about how horrible PP and KG shot it for 3 quarters?  How about Rondo being completely out of position on D and letting them hit a late 3?

Point is, it wasn't the refs.

[CelticG1]

I'm baffled at how many people continue to push as much blame on the refs for our game 1 loss.

The fact is that we dug ourselves into a hole so deep, that we had the slimmest chance possible of coming out of it. We were almost there. Unfortunately, Rondo lost his composure and from that point on we were out of the game.

The refs aren't to blame for a 17 point lead or whatever it was against a heavily depleted, depth-lacking, size lacking Atlanta Hawks team that we should DESTROY 9 times out of 10.

The refs made mistakes, but the Celtics lost the game themselves.
There was clearly a case for a foul to be called against Bass there- if it was Rondo on the floor getting his head ripped off by Ivan Johnson you'd be wailing about how terrible the reffing was and how it should have been a foul.

Make your bed, you sleep in it.

Im not blaming the officials just pointing out that the same ref involved in sketchy calls against the Hawks 3where weeks ago was involved in some sketchy calls last night. Am I wrong?

I truly am baffled by the out of bounds call more than anything. Smith basically sealed off bradley and knocked it out of bounds. Davis either didn't have the angle to see, assumed for some odd reason it went off Bradley, thought ot was 50/50 and just guessed, was going to call it for Atlanta no matter what. If you are in position and see that play I don't know how you call it off Bradley. If you are out of position than you are not supposed to guess who it was put off

[CelticG1]

The Celts played bad. Im just pointing out the incompetence of Davis, and the pattern of incompetence

[CelticHooligan3]

I'm baffled at how many people continue to push as much blame on the refs for our game 1 loss.

The fact is that we dug ourselves into a hole so deep, that we had the slimmest chance possible of coming out of it. We were almost there. Unfortunately, Rondo lost his composure and from that point on we were out of the game.

The refs aren't to blame for a 17 point lead or whatever it was against a heavily depleted, depth-lacking, size lacking Atlanta Hawks team that we should DESTROY 9 times out of 10.

The refs made mistakes, but the Celtics lost the game themselves.
There was clearly a case for a foul to be called against Bass there- if it was Rondo on the floor getting his head ripped off by Ivan Johnson you'd be wailing about how terrible the reffing was and how it should have been a foul.

Make your bed, you sleep in it.

Im not blaming the officials just pointing out that the same ref involved in sketchy calls against the Hawks 3where weeks ago was involved in some sketchy calls last night. Am I wrong?

I truly am baffled by the out of bounds call more than anything. Smith basically sealed off bradley and knocked it out of bounds. Davis either didn't have the angle to see, assumed for some odd reason it went off Bradley, thought ot was 50/50 and just guessed, was going to call it for Atlanta no matter what. If you are in position and see that play I don't know how you call it off Bradley. If you are out of position than you are not supposed to guess who it was put off

In my eyes your both right on the money. I agree you can't blame it all on the refs. Much of the game we played zombie basketball but then again some of those calls were beyond questionable. Like they really looked borderline corrupt. So im gonna have to give both of you TP's.

[Chris]

Why does it matter?  So what if Marc Davis is a bad official (he is terrible).  That does not give Rondo the right to make contact with him. 

[CelticHooligan3]

Why does it matter?  So what if Marc Davis is a bad official (he is terrible).  That does not give Rondo the right to make contact with him. 

Your absolutley right. But i'd have to add that there needs to be some sort of supplimental discipline publically for the type of atrocious calls that were made by davis. The NBA isn't transparent enough in my eyes on this issue.

The last ref i can ever remember being disciplined in a public forumn was Joey Crawford for the tim duncan incident. I just think they need to be held accountable far more in a way that the fans understand and see where they were coming from on these horrible calls because they look like there's an agenda of some sort.

[Chris]

Why does it matter?  So what if Marc Davis is a bad official (he is terrible).  That does not give Rondo the right to make contact with him. 

Your absolutley right. But i'd have to add that there needs to be some sort of supplimental discipline publically for the type of atrocious calls that were made by davis. The NBA isn't transparent enough in my eyes on this issue.

The last ref i can ever remember being disciplined in a public forumn was Joey Crawford for the tim duncan incident. I just think they need to be held accountable far more in a way that the fans understand and see where they were coming from on these horrible calls because they look like there's an agenda of some sort.

I agree, but it will never happen publically.  Beyond just the fact that the NBA doesn't seem interested in publically discussing how they deal with refs, I am pretty sure they are also forbidden to, based on the collective bargaining agreement with the refs.

As far as being transparent though, I really with the NBA would take a page from the NHL's book when it comes to discipline.  No one does it better than them.  Whenever someone is disciplined in the NHL, Brendan Shanahan makes a detailed video directed at their fans, explaining exactly why he made the decision he did, including video evidence of the incident, as well as video of any previous incidents which played a role in the decision.

Clearly the NHL recognizes that the fans are the ones paying the bills, and they are working hard to reach out to them, and I wish the NBA (and NFL) would follow their lead.

[CelticHooligan3]

Why does it matter?  So what if Marc Davis is a bad official (he is terrible).  That does not give Rondo the right to make contact with him. 

Your absolutley right. But i'd have to add that there needs to be some sort of supplimental discipline publically for the type of atrocious calls that were made by davis. The NBA isn't transparent enough in my eyes on this issue.

The last ref i can ever remember being disciplined in a public forumn was Joey Crawford for the tim duncan incident. I just think they need to be held accountable far more in a way that the fans understand and see where they were coming from on these horrible calls because they look like there's an agenda of some sort.

I agree, but it will never happen publically.  Beyond just the fact that the NBA doesn't seem interested in publically discussing how they deal with refs, I am pretty sure they are also forbidden to, based on the collective bargaining agreement with the refs.

As far as being transparent though, I really with the NBA would take a page from the NHL's book when it comes to discipline.  No one does it better than them.  Whenever someone is disciplined in the NHL, Brendan Shanahan makes a detailed video directed at their fans, explaining exactly why he made the decision he did, including video evidence of the incident, as well as video of any previous incidents which played a role in the decision.

Clearly the NHL recognizes that the fans are the ones paying the bills, and they are working hard to reach out to them, and I wish the NBA (and NFL) would follow their lead.

Well said TP. I admire the approach the NHL has taken and just wish the NBA would do the same. The fact they dont just stinks of Sterns arrogance.

[Chris]

Why does it matter?  So what if Marc Davis is a bad official (he is terrible).  That does not give Rondo the right to make contact with him. 

Your absolutley right. But i'd have to add that there needs to be some sort of supplimental discipline publically for the type of atrocious calls that were made by davis. The NBA isn't transparent enough in my eyes on this issue.

The last ref i can ever remember being disciplined in a public forumn was Joey Crawford for the tim duncan incident. I just think they need to be held accountable far more in a way that the fans understand and see where they were coming from on these horrible calls because they look like there's an agenda of some sort.

I agree, but it will never happen publically.  Beyond just the fact that the NBA doesn't seem interested in publically discussing how they deal with refs, I am pretty sure they are also forbidden to, based on the collective bargaining agreement with the refs.

As far as being transparent though, I really with the NBA would take a page from the NHL's book when it comes to discipline.  No one does it better than them.  Whenever someone is disciplined in the NHL, Brendan Shanahan makes a detailed video directed at their fans, explaining exactly why he made the decision he did, including video evidence of the incident, as well as video of any previous incidents which played a role in the decision.

Clearly the NHL recognizes that the fans are the ones paying the bills, and they are working hard to reach out to them, and I wish the NBA (and NFL) would follow their lead.

Well said TP. I admire the approach the NHL has taken and just wish the NBA would do the same. The fact they dont just stinks of Sterns arrogance.

To be fair to Stern though, the fans haven't demanded it.  The NHL started doing it, because they need to make the most of every fan they have.  But the NBA is going strong, and while people whine about the refs, it doesn't show on the bottom line. 

So, I can't blame Stern for deciding the stay the course until there is even a shred of evidence that it is worth changing things.

[ACF]

While we can't blame the refs for our own lousy showing in the first half, it's all too common to watch a bad call essentially killing our chances in the final minutes. We still had a chance to win the game at that point. If I recall correctly, the Hawks were up by six points when Davis made the (bad) inbounds call. If we get the ball at that point, we get a chance to get within two buckets. That's a wide open game right there. Instead, the Hawks got the ball and a chance to go up by eight and essentially seal the game. Now, I suspect Rondo was still fuming because of that call and when Davis decided to whistle a foul on what looked like a scramble for a loose ball (in the playoffs, mind you) he just got mad and overreacted. He should've controlled himself but from a competitive standpoint, I can understand why he didn't.

If Rondo gets more than a one game ban, I call shenanigans. Sadly, I wouldn't be too surprised if he gets two games, though.