Ray has bone spurs

[Tai]

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

  I would disagree with this, even though I agree that Ray's not the player he was a few years ago. Novak and Jones are spot up shooters who stand in one spot and hope that their defenders leave them wide open so that they can shoot spot up uncontested shots. Ray draws much more attention from the defense than they do, gets his shots off in tighter windows and  frequently shoots when he's just run to the spot with a defender trailing. Again, he's not the player he used to be, but Novak and Jones would struggle to hit the rim if they attempted many of the shots that Ray takes and makes.

This is a good assement.

If Ray got the wide open looks at threes these guys do, he'd be a 75% shooter from distance.  The shots Ray takes are of a far higher degree of difficulty.

Thats what I dont get.

Novak and Jones are way better 3 point shooters then Ray, why do they always get wide open looks but Ray almost never does.

You would think players would guard Novak all the time and always have a body glued to him since hes the best shooter in the NBA.

I can only assume that the premise in the bolded part assumes we're only talking about this season, to which I say fair enough.

All the same, here's how their shooting numbers this season break down:

Novak: 47.2% (1st) from 3-point land on 282 shots, 50.9% from 2-point land on 55 shots, 67.5% in adjusted FG%

Ray Allen: 45.3% (4th) from 3-point land on 234 shots, 46.3% from 2-point land on 259 shots, 56.6% in adjusted FG%

James Jones: 40.4% (19th) from 3-point land on 114 shots, 30.6% from 2-point land on 36 shots, 53.3% in adjusted FG%

The rankings pertain to 3-pt land percentage, only.

Based off this, yes, Novak is shooting better than Ray this season, which I'll give him credit for.

James Jones, on the other hand, clearly has not been a better shooter than Ray this season, and I have no idea what you found that compelled you to ever believe this.

[j804]

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

  I would disagree with this, even though I agree that Ray's not the player he was a few years ago. Novak and Jones are spot up shooters who stand in one spot and hope that their defenders leave them wide open so that they can shoot spot up uncontested shots. Ray draws much more attention from the defense than they do, gets his shots off in tighter windows and  frequently shoots when he's just run to the spot with a defender trailing. Again, he's not the player he used to be, but Novak and Jones would struggle to hit the rim if they attempted many of the shots that Ray takes and makes.

This is a good assement.

If Ray got the wide open looks at threes these guys do, he'd be a 75% shooter from distance.  The shots Ray takes are of a far higher degree of difficulty.

Thats what I dont get.

Novak and Jones are way better 3 point shooters then Ray, why do they always get wide open looks but Ray almost never does.

You would think players would guard Novak all the time and always have a body glued to him since hes the best shooter in the NBA.

I can only assume that the premise in the bolded part assumes we're only talking about this season, to which I say fair enough.

All the same, here's how their shooting numbers this season break down:

Novak: 47.2% (1st) from 3-point land on 282 shots, 50.9% from 2-point land on 55 shots, 67.5% in adjusted FG%

Ray Allen: 45.3% (4th) from 3-point land on 234 shots, 46.3% from 2-point land on 259 shots, 56.6% in adjusted FG%

James Jones: 40.4% (19th) from 3-point land on 114 shots, 30.6% from 2-point land on 36 shots, 53.3% in adjusted FG%

The rankings pertain to 3-pt land percentage, only.

Based off this, yes, Novak is shooting better than Ray this season, which I'll give him credit for.

James Jones, on the other hand, clearly has not been a better shooter than Ray this season, and I have no idea what you found that compelled you to ever believe this.

probably because he saw him win a 3pt contest

[Tai]

Btw, here's the source to my stats: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player?stat=3-points

[colincb]

Novak gets more open looks because he's tall and he plays the 4 for NY. 4 in 1 out works even without Howard for stretches

Jones gets open looks off LeBron/Wade's penetration. The Celtics don't have that sort of a penetrator.

True about both, but contrary to the OP's point that Jones is "way better," Jones is a career 40.2% from beyond the arc compared to Ray's 40.0%.  The difference is two per thousand 3-point shots.  Ray is shooting 45.3% this season vs. Jones' 40.2%.  Jones is actually a better three-point than two-point shooter, which explains him being a bench player.

Novak has better numbers than Ray for 3FG%, but he's averaged under 12 minutes per game in his six years.  Spot up shooting accounts for 50% of his plays, so he should be easier to cover.  However he is 6'10 and, as a perennial bench player, playing against lesser competition while Ray is often a primary focus of the opposing defense.  The rest of Novak's game is pretty weak.  Novak's a poor defender (career 110 defensive rating, NBA team average is 104.6 PPP allowed), a brutally bad rebounder (Ray has a better career total rebound%), and a black hole of distinction with an assist% far less than Bass or BBD’s.  If you want to consider a part-time, one trick pony the best at something, than Novak is it.

[BballTim]

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

  I would disagree with this, even though I agree that Ray's not the player he was a few years ago. Novak and Jones are spot up shooters who stand in one spot and hope that their defenders leave them wide open so that they can shoot spot up uncontested shots. Ray draws much more attention from the defense than they do, gets his shots off in tighter windows and  frequently shoots when he's just run to the spot with a defender trailing. Again, he's not the player he used to be, but Novak and Jones would struggle to hit the rim if they attempted many of the shots that Ray takes and makes.

This is a good assement.

If Ray got the wide open looks at threes these guys do, he'd be a 75% shooter from distance.  The shots Ray takes are of a far higher degree of difficulty.

Thats what I dont get.

Novak and Jones are way better 3 point shooters then Ray, why do they always get wide open looks but Ray almost never does.

You would think players would guard Novak all the time and always have a body glued to him since hes the best shooter in the NBA.

  Saying that Novak and Jones are better 3 point shooters than Ray is somewhat like saying Rondo's better at long 2 point jumpers than PP or Ray. Again, let Novak run through screens to create a little daylight, catch the ball on the run and get a shot off before the defender catches him. Novak would be shooting 3 point shots like Perk, not like Ray.

[GreenFaith1819]

Get Well, Ray Walter Allen.

We'll need you if we expect to get far in the playoffs.

IF the man makes it back healthy, I'm sure he'll remind the detractors here why it took him coming to BOS for KG to get here.

Man's not done by any stretch.

BOS's still the Big Four.

[Senninsage]

This team needs Ray's 3 point shooting and his experience in big games against the league's best.

Not having Ray makes this team much less of a sure thing in big game situations, and there is no more reliable 3 point shooter on the Celtics. People seem to have let the Celtics winning get to their heads and they've forgotten how important it is to have someone like Ray.

Nobody else on this team, or possibly in this league, makes a team pay more for allowing him space or letting him get open.

[Onslaught]

Not only his 3's. But his free throw shooting too. He's the one I want on the line shooting a technical free throw. Or the ball in his hands with 10 seconds on the clock and Boston up by 1 and the other team must foul.