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Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #75 on: April 27, 2012, 12:08:23 PM »

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I'm not sure what to make of the diretion this thread has gone in.  There's quite a bit of over the top statements being made about Ray's ability, in both directions.  Ray is definitely not a scrub.  He is absolutely better than Steve Novak (good grief!).  But he is not the Hall of Fame player he once was either.

It seems to me those defending Ray are trying to hold onto something that just isn't there anymore.  He's still a starter in this league, but he's not an All-Star, and is better suited to come off the bench.  Ray has too many weaknesses in his game now.  He is an average defender and below average ball handler. Sure, he can run for days, but at this point it's more of a "tortise and the hare" comparison.  Ray does not have anywhere near the foot speed and quickness he used to.

I've seen it mentioned in this thread that Ray was the one carrying us at the beginning of the season.  That's  not something to brag about, the Celtics were playing their worst ball of the season and losing a lot of games, with Ray leading the team.  Not exactly a ringing endorsement for his ability to lead a team.  Quite honestly, that was more than anything, a testamnent to his superior conditioning.  Everyone else was gasping for air while Ray was just casually trotting around nailing threes, while barely breaking a sweat.

Ultimately, the C's still need Ray though.  He's is still the best 3 point shooter in the game, and is as clutch as anyone.  He still can play good enough defense to not hurt the team.  He knows all the plays, and has a cohesion with the rest of the starters that in crunch time can be invaluable.  He just isn't the player he once was, and is definitely not the most critical piece for the C's.  It is possible the C's could manage to get by without his services.

Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #76 on: April 27, 2012, 12:23:53 PM »

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Ray's going to need to take something internally to help rectify proper bone growth, calcium absorption and to clean/flush out those spur deposits.

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That won't do it.

Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #77 on: April 27, 2012, 12:27:16 PM »

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I'm not sure what to make of the diretion this thread has gone in.  There's quite a bit of over the top statements being made about Ray's ability, in both directions.  Ray is definitely not a scrub.  He is absolutely better than Steve Novak (good grief!).  But he is not the Hall of Fame player he once was either.

It seems to me those defending Ray are trying to hold onto something that just isn't there anymore.  He's still a starter in this league, but he's not an All-Star, and is better suited to come off the bench.  Ray has too many weaknesses in his game now.  He is an average defender and below average ball handler. Sure, he can run for days, but at this point it's more of a "tortise and the hare" comparison.  Ray does not have anywhere near the foot speed and quickness he used to.

I've seen it mentioned in this thread that Ray was the one carrying us at the beginning of the season.  That's  not something to brag about, the Celtics were playing their worst ball of the season and losing a lot of games, with Ray leading the team.  Not exactly a ringing endorsement for his ability to lead a team.  Quite honestly, that was more than anything, a testamnent to his superior conditioning.  Everyone else was gasping for air while Ray was just casually trotting around nailing threes, while barely breaking a sweat.

Ultimately, the C's still need Ray though.  He's is still the best 3 point shooter in the game, and is as clutch as anyone.  He still can play good enough defense to not hurt the team.  He knows all the plays, and has a cohesion with the rest of the starters that in crunch time can be invaluable.  He just isn't the player he once was, and is definitely not the most critical piece for the C's.  It is possible the C's could manage to get by without his services.

When you say get buy, what do you mean? Win 18? Get to the finals? Get to the ECF? Without Ray Allen I don't see how we beat Chicago.


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Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #78 on: April 27, 2012, 12:48:10 PM »

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End of the day, Ray Allen's stats for 2012:
46% from the field
45% from 3
92% from free throws
14 points a game
3 rebounds a game
2.5 assists a game
1 steal a game
1.5 TO a game

   How many shooting guards in the league have better stats than that?  This is on one of the slowest pace team in the NBA.  Pace adjusted these numbers would even be higher.  And before people start criticizing his defense, look at his advanced stats.  He's an above average defender. He was an ALL STAR all of one whole season ago, and he's still putting up ALL STAR type numbers. 
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Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #79 on: April 27, 2012, 12:59:37 PM »

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In my opinion, the fact that Ray has taken care of his body so well over the years has helped prevent him from dealing with ankle/bone spurs every single day of his life.

His preparation is key, but right now it's caught up with him.

The years and years of jumping/jumping shooting and the physics/inertia acting upon his spinal column has caught up with him. 

Surgery will remove the symptomatic problem, but will not address the root cause.

Ray will need to take internal supplements to refuel what he has used up over time (lost).


Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #80 on: April 27, 2012, 01:02:42 PM »

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I'm not sure what to make of the diretion this thread has gone in.  There's quite a bit of over the top statements being made about Ray's ability, in both directions.  Ray is definitely not a scrub.  He is absolutely better than Steve Novak (good grief!).  But he is not the Hall of Fame player he once was either.

It seems to me those defending Ray are trying to hold onto something that just isn't there anymore.  He's still a starter in this league, but he's not an All-Star, and is better suited to come off the bench.  Ray has too many weaknesses in his game now.  He is an average defender and below average ball handler. Sure, he can run for days, but at this point it's more of a "tortise and the hare" comparison.  Ray does not have anywhere near the foot speed and quickness he used to.

I've seen it mentioned in this thread that Ray was the one carrying us at the beginning of the season.  That's  not something to brag about, the Celtics were playing their worst ball of the season and losing a lot of games, with Ray leading the team.  Not exactly a ringing endorsement for his ability to lead a team.  Quite honestly, that was more than anything, a testamnent to his superior conditioning.  Everyone else was gasping for air while Ray was just casually trotting around nailing threes, while barely breaking a sweat.

Ultimately, the C's still need Ray though.  He's is still the best 3 point shooter in the game, and is as clutch as anyone.  He still can play good enough defense to not hurt the team.  He knows all the plays, and has a cohesion with the rest of the starters that in crunch time can be invaluable.  He just isn't the player he once was, and is definitely not the most critical piece for the C's.  It is possible the C's could manage to get by without his services.

When you say get buy, what do you mean? Win 18? Get to the finals? Get to the ECF? Without Ray Allen I don't see how we beat Chicago.

We can beat Atlanta without Ray playing. Can't see us getting any further without him.
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Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2012, 01:09:36 PM »

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Calm down, everybody. Ray is probable for Game 1!

Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2012, 01:12:45 PM »

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It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.


Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

That's pretty funny.  I can only hope that you are joking.  Otherwise you haven't watched a lot of basketball.  Ray is a top 10 shooting guard in the NBA even at 36.  Not to mention Bradley wouldn't be half the player he is without Ray and Dooling mentoring him.

I highly doubt that Bradley wouldnt be anything if Ray wasnt there menotoring him, Bradley was drafted because he was a talented basketball player, you dont gain skills just because some veteran tells you a couple things.


I know Bradley's your binkie but don't throw Ray under the bus for it you are clueless

Im not throwing Ray under the bus, hes still a good player, but  he should only be in the game during specialist situations where we need a shooter or clutch shots. Like the 4th quarter. We dont really need him until then, we have other guys who can fill in that bring more to the table like defense and athleticism and they also dont need entire plays called for them where we take 20 seconds to wait for them to come off screens ala Ray.

Ohhh man, this explanation just keeps getting worse and worse...shoulda quit while you were ahead bro

What's the point of posting that? If you don't like what he's saying give your opinion/throw some facts or stats behind it or something...


What's teh point of posting that?  If you don't like what I said then show some facts or stats behind it or something...

Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2012, 01:24:09 PM »

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I'm not sure what to make of the diretion this thread has gone in.  There's quite a bit of over the top statements being made about Ray's ability, in both directions.  Ray is definitely not a scrub.  He is absolutely better than Steve Novak (good grief!).  But he is not the Hall of Fame player he once was either.

It seems to me those defending Ray are trying to hold onto something that just isn't there anymore.  He's still a starter in this league, but he's not an All-Star, and is better suited to come off the bench.  Ray has too many weaknesses in his game now.  He is an average defender and below average ball handler. Sure, he can run for days, but at this point it's more of a "tortise and the hare" comparison.  Ray does not have anywhere near the foot speed and quickness he used to.

I've seen it mentioned in this thread that Ray was the one carrying us at the beginning of the season.  That's  not something to brag about, the Celtics were playing their worst ball of the season and losing a lot of games, with Ray leading the team.  Not exactly a ringing endorsement for his ability to lead a team.  Quite honestly, that was more than anything, a testamnent to his superior conditioning.  Everyone else was gasping for air while Ray was just casually trotting around nailing threes, while barely breaking a sweat.

Ultimately, the C's still need Ray though.  He's is still the best 3 point shooter in the game, and is as clutch as anyone.  He still can play good enough defense to not hurt the team.  He knows all the plays, and has a cohesion with the rest of the starters that in crunch time can be invaluable.  He just isn't the player he once was, and is definitely not the most critical piece for the C's.  It is possible the C's could manage to get by without his services.

When you say get buy, what do you mean? Win 18? Get to the finals? Get to the ECF? Without Ray Allen I don't see how we beat Chicago.

To be honest, I'm not sure.  But between Atlanta and Chicago, I think Atlanta provides the more difficult matchup at SG though.

Joe Johnson, due to his heigth advantage, could be a matchuip problem for Bradley.  Pietrus could be key here though.  Chicago doesn't really have anyone at SG that concerns me.  Bradley should have no problem guarding either Hamiltion or Korver.

So, if we get by Atlanta without Ray, I see no reason we can't get by Chicago.  In fact, if we don't get by Chicago, it will most likely be because thier bigs outplay ours.  Not because Ray Allen was ineffective.

Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2012, 01:26:26 PM »

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Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

  I would disagree with this, even though I agree that Ray's not the player he was a few years ago. Novak and Jones are spot up shooters who stand in one spot and hope that their defenders leave them wide open so that they can shoot spot up uncontested shots. Ray draws much more attention from the defense than they do, gets his shots off in tighter windows and  frequently shoots when he's just run to the spot with a defender trailing. Again, he's not the player he used to be, but Novak and Jones would struggle to hit the rim if they attempted many of the shots that Ray takes and makes.

Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #85 on: April 27, 2012, 01:30:30 PM »

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Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

  I would disagree with this, even though I agree that Ray's not the player he was a few years ago. Novak and Jones are spot up shooters who stand in one spot and hope that their defenders leave them wide open so that they can shoot spot up uncontested shots. Ray draws much more attention from the defense than they do, gets his shots off in tighter windows and  frequently shoots when he's just run to the spot with a defender trailing. Again, he's not the player he used to be, but Novak and Jones would struggle to hit the rim if they attempted many of the shots that Ray takes and makes.


This is a good assement.

If Ray got the wide open looks at threes these guys do, he'd be a 75% shooter from distance.  The shots Ray takes are of a far higher degree of difficulty.

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« Reply #86 on: April 27, 2012, 04:48:47 PM »

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No Ray at practice today. Just not sure the C's are going to be able to count on him at this stage.

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« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2012, 04:49:34 PM »

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No Ray at practice today. Just not sure the C's are going to be able to count on him at this stage.


I wouldn't expect him to be.  I think the Celtics will wait till Ray's shoot around on game day to get him on the floor.

Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2012, 05:15:47 PM »

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Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

  I would disagree with this, even though I agree that Ray's not the player he was a few years ago. Novak and Jones are spot up shooters who stand in one spot and hope that their defenders leave them wide open so that they can shoot spot up uncontested shots. Ray draws much more attention from the defense than they do, gets his shots off in tighter windows and  frequently shoots when he's just run to the spot with a defender trailing. Again, he's not the player he used to be, but Novak and Jones would struggle to hit the rim if they attempted many of the shots that Ray takes and makes.


This is a good assement.

If Ray got the wide open looks at threes these guys do, he'd be a 75% shooter from distance.  The shots Ray takes are of a far higher degree of difficulty.

Thats what I dont get.

Novak and Jones are way better 3 point shooters then Ray, why do they always get wide open looks but Ray almost never does.

You would think players would guard Novak all the time and always have a body glued to him since hes the best shooter in the NBA.
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« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2012, 05:17:33 PM »

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Novak gets more open looks because he's tall and he plays the 4 for NY. 4 in 1 out works even without Howard for stretches

Jones gets open looks off LeBron/Wade's penetration. The Celtics don't have that sort of a penetrator.