Ray has bone spurs

[j804]

It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.

Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

That's pretty funny.  I can only hope that you are joking.  Otherwise you haven't watched a lot of basketball.  Ray is a top 10 shooting guard in the NBA even at 36.  Not to mention Bradley wouldn't be half the player he is without Ray and Dooling mentoring him.

I highly doubt that Bradley wouldnt be anything if Ray wasnt there menotoring him, Bradley was drafted because he was a talented basketball player, you dont gain skills just because some veteran tells you a couple things.

I know Bradley's your binkie but don't throw Ray under the bus for it you are clueless

[thestackshow]

It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.

Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

That's pretty funny.  I can only hope that you are joking.  Otherwise you haven't watched a lot of basketball.  Ray is a top 10 shooting guard in the NBA even at 36.  Not to mention Bradley wouldn't be half the player he is without Ray and Dooling mentoring him.

I highly doubt that Bradley wouldnt be anything if Ray wasnt there menotoring him, Bradley was drafted because he was a talented basketball player, you dont gain skills just because some veteran tells you a couple things.

I know Bradley's your binkie but don't throw Ray under the bus for it you are clueless

Im not throwing Ray under the bus, hes still a good player, but  he should only be in the game during specialist situations where we need a shooter or clutch shots. Like the 4th quarter. We dont really need him until then, we have other guys who can fill in that bring more to the table like defense and athleticism and they also dont need entire plays called for them where we take 20 seconds to wait for them to come off screens ala Ray.

Ray has lost a step, and due to that the plays that once worked no longer work, he no longer has a clean shot when he comes off screens anymore because his defender caught up, so he either passes the ball to someone else who has to take a bad shot because the shotclock ran down.

[Senninsage]

People saying Ray lost a step really are missing the point. They honestly are. Ray Allen was carrying this team a lot and was its most consistent player at the start of this season.

Yes, he's not as fast as he use to be. Yes, his age is showing. But this is the same Ray Allen that can still score big against elite competition. This is the same Ray Allen that was the team's leading scorer at the start of the season when Pierce hadn't gotten his game back yet. This is the same Ray Allen that shot the [dang] lights out from three point range in last year's playoffs.

No matter how much Bradley has improved, he will probably never be half as skilled a three point shooter as Ray Allen is. Ray commands a level of respect that is matched by only the most elite in this game. When Ray is on point, it becomes that much more difficult to beat this team. He stretches the floor and makes a team pay in a way that nobody else on this team is capable of.

Not Pierce, not Bradley, not Pietrus, not Pavlovic. Nobody does it better than Ray.

[LooseCannon]

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

Steve Novak takes 12.0 shots per 36 minutes, of which 84% are threes.  Literally zero of his shots are dunks or layups.

James Jones takes 8.0 shots per 36 minutes, of which 77% are threes.  Literally zero of his shots are dunks or layups.

Ray Allen takes 10.7 shots per 36 minutes, of which 47% are threes.  15% of his shots are dunks or layups.  (For comparison, about 27% of Paul Pierce's shots are dunks or layups.)

Ray Allen may have lost a step compared to his prime, but he is not as one-dimensional offensively as Novak or Jones.

[myteamisbetterthanyours]

It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.

Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

Everyone in the NBA would trade Novak for Ray Allen... thats a ridoculous statement.

[myteamisbetterthanyours]

It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.

Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

Everyone in the NBA would trade Novak for Ray Allen... thats a ridoculous statement.

To add to that.. I'd trade my family and a future first round son for a 36 y.o. Ray Allen.

[SHAQATTACK]

There's nothing wrong with Rays eyesight, shooting arm , or desire.   Its just hard to feel your game, to get 100% into making shot when you are thinking about pain.  He is a sharp shooter , and he needs to be near 100% to get in his zone to stroke the shots the way we know he can.

If he gets his ankle sorted out , then I see no reason to let him leave. 

It may be that he will have to reduce his role on his own accord to protect his ankles and remain in the NBA .  Comming off the bench with good ankles and maintaining that status is better for everybody than trying to play good ball hurt all the time as a starter.

I just hope he stays and plays.  It must be super hard watching Bradley getting better by the day . I feel sorry for Ray.

[Marcus13]

It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.

Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

That's pretty funny.  I can only hope that you are joking.  Otherwise you haven't watched a lot of basketball.  Ray is a top 10 shooting guard in the NBA even at 36.  Not to mention Bradley wouldn't be half the player he is without Ray and Dooling mentoring him.

I highly doubt that Bradley wouldnt be anything if Ray wasnt there menotoring him, Bradley was drafted because he was a talented basketball player, you dont gain skills just because some veteran tells you a couple things.

I know Bradley's your binkie but don't throw Ray under the bus for it you are clueless

Im not throwing Ray under the bus, hes still a good player, but  he should only be in the game during specialist situations where we need a shooter or clutch shots. Like the 4th quarter. We dont really need him until then, we have other guys who can fill in that bring more to the table like defense and athleticism and they also dont need entire plays called for them where we take 20 seconds to wait for them to come off screens ala Ray.

Ohhh man, this explanation just keeps getting worse and worse...shoulda quit while you were ahead bro

[jdz101]

It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.

Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

That's pretty funny.  I can only hope that you are joking.  Otherwise you haven't watched a lot of basketball.  Ray is a top 10 shooting guard in the NBA even at 36.  Not to mention Bradley wouldn't be half the player he is without Ray and Dooling mentoring him.

I highly doubt that Bradley wouldnt be anything if Ray wasnt there menotoring him, Bradley was drafted because he was a talented basketball player, you dont gain skills just because some veteran tells you a couple things.

I know Bradley's your binkie but don't throw Ray under the bus for it you are clueless

Im not throwing Ray under the bus, hes still a good player, but  he should only be in the game during specialist situations where we need a shooter or clutch shots. Like the 4th quarter. We dont really need him until then, we have other guys who can fill in that bring more to the table like defense and athleticism and they also dont need entire plays called for them where we take 20 seconds to wait for them to come off screens ala Ray.

Ohhh man, this explanation just keeps getting worse and worse...shoulda quit while you were ahead bro

What's the point of posting that? If you don't like what he's saying give your opinion/throw some facts or stats behind it or something...

[Fafnir]

Ray isn't a situational specialist, he's still an excellent offensive player. Even when he's not getting a ton of shots up when he's on the court the C's score far more than they do without him.

The C's need offense, especially off the bench, Ray is definitely needed for 25 mintues a game at least. More or less depending on how how many big guards/wings the other team has for match up purposes.

[Celts Fan 92]

A lot of unappreciative heads in dis thread Steve Novak is better then Ray Allen, really?!! Ray is only a 3 point shooter yet he has ova 23,000 points sometimes I question when some of yall started watchin basketball man

[Tai]

A lot of unappreciative heads in dis thread Steve Novak is better then Ray Allen, really?!! Ray is only a 3 point shooter yet he has ova 23,000 points sometimes I question when some of yall started watchin basketball man

Did someone really say that? I sincerely hope not, for the sake of his credibility.

[Celts Fan 92]

It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.

Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

man just, smh @ the bolded

[Celts Fan 92]

A lot of unappreciative heads in dis thread Steve Novak is better then Ray Allen, really?!! Ray is only a 3 point shooter yet he has ova 23,000 points sometimes I question when some of yall started watchin basketball man

Did someone really say that? I sincerely hope not, for the sake of his credibility.

just bolded nd quoted it smh this site just amazes me sometimes man lol

[colincb]

It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.

Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

That's pretty funny.  I can only hope that you are joking.  Otherwise you haven't watched a lot of basketball.  Ray is a top 10 shooting guard in the NBA even at 36.  Not to mention Bradley wouldn't be half the player he is without Ray and Dooling mentoring him.

I highly doubt that Bradley wouldnt be anything if Ray wasnt there menotoring him, Bradley was drafted because he was a talented basketball player, you dont gain skills just because some veteran tells you a couple things.

I know Bradley's your binkie but don't throw Ray under the bus for it you are clueless

Im not throwing Ray under the bus, hes still a good player, but  he should only be in the game during specialist situations where we need a shooter or clutch shots. Like the 4th quarter. We dont really need him until then, we have other guys who can fill in that bring more to the table like defense and athleticism and they also dont need entire plays called for them where we take 20 seconds to wait for them to come off screens ala Ray.

Ray has lost a step, and due to that the plays that once worked no longer work, he no longer has a clean shot when he comes off screens anymore because his defender caught up, so he either passes the ball to someone else who has to take a bad shot because the shotclock ran down.

According to Synegy Sports stats, Ray's most frequent play is shooting after running off screens, which accounts for 36% of his possessions (the sum of plays that result in shots, free throws, or turnovers) and results in 1.08 points per possession (“PPP”).  It is the one play that Boston is ranked first in the NBA at 1.01 PPP and it is better than our average PPP of 0.92 (9th in the NBA).  It is not the most efficient play we have (put backs of offensive rebounds and fast break points always beat a set play for PPP), but it is actually a quite effective play contrary to your claim especially if Ray’s the shooter.
 
Ray would be 4thin the NBA in effective FG% if he hadn't missed so many games, compared to 5th last year and his PPP is ranked 15th in the NBA, similar to prior years and best in the rotation.  So his shooting is still elite and he's the most efficient scorer in the rotation and by that metric we should run more plays for him, not less, contrary to your idea of sitting him until we need a specialist.