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Flopping in the NBA is out of control
« on: April 17, 2012, 06:26:15 PM »

Offline Mr October

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Just saw an article on ESPN, and Huffington Post on Van Gundy's complaints on flopping.

Check out the videos at the bottom of this article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/james-jones-flop-jeff-van-gundy-rant-heat-knicks_n_1427871.html


I hate this stuff, and agree that it does ruin the game. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Re: Flopping in the NBA is out of control
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 06:31:41 PM »

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this one's a classic. The double flop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNxiWES8G0o

And I agree with Van Gundy in that there should be a fine. The plays could be reviewed after the game and if you do too many in a season you get suspended.

The NBA doesn't need this garbage.

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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 06:40:02 PM »

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this one's a classic. The double flop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNxiWES8G0o

And I agree with Van Gundy in that there should be a fine. The plays could be reviewed after the game and if you do too many in a season you get suspended.

The NBA doesn't need this garbage.
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 06:53:07 PM »

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Is it the flopping or the refs?   I think it is the later.  They make the calls and reward flopping.   It is not just NBA it is also the NCAA too.   They call way too many charges.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 06:53:34 PM »

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Just saw an article on ESPN, and Huffington Post on Van Gundy's complaints on flopping.

Check out the videos at the bottom of this article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/james-jones-flop-jeff-van-gundy-rant-heat-knicks_n_1427871.html


I hate this stuff, and agree that it does ruin the game. It makes me sick to my stomach.

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 06:59:27 PM »

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The refs should call more offensive fouls.
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 07:11:52 PM »

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I would go further. 

Flopping is out of control at all levels of basketball.  The ACC is now a flopping league.  In one Duke v. UNC game this season there was 9 charges called. 9.  Can anyone here claim they played a game at any level where 9 charges were called in a single game?  Probably not.  I know I cannot and I played organized bball until my mid to late 20s.

Refs have no idea what to call so they call charge on any contact that results in someone on the floor.

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 07:22:37 PM »

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Worst flops of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKh8Zq6zhRc&feature=related

It particularly sickens me that Lebron and his Miami talents have to flop like crazy - and get away with it in big playoff games. That hurts the game big time.

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 07:26:09 PM »

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Is it the flopping or the refs?   I think it is the later.  They make the calls and reward flopping.   It is not just NBA it is also the NCAA too.   They call way too many charges.

I can't fully blame the refs. The game happens too fast, and their eyes can be fooled based on which angle they see the play happen.

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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 07:27:30 PM »

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Is it the flopping or the refs?   I think it is the later.  They make the calls and reward flopping.   It is not just NBA it is also the NCAA too.   They call way too many charges.

I can't fully blame the refs. The game happens too fast, and their eyes can be fooled based on which angle they see the play happen.

Every time?

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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 07:30:01 PM »

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Is it the flopping or the refs?   I think it is the later.  They make the calls and reward flopping.   It is not just NBA it is also the NCAA too.   They call way too many charges.

I can't fully blame the refs. The game happens too fast, and their eyes can be fooled based on which angle they see the play happen.

Every time?

No, and the refs quite often ignore a flop, and let a player play through an attempted charge.

My issue is that the players have every incentive to keep trying to flop and fool the refs. The penalty doesn't outweigh the reward right now.

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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 07:30:36 PM »

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It's the players.  The NBA should review flops like the NFL reviews hits, and fine the players who flop.  

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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 07:35:32 PM »

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I wish youtube had a video of Earl Boykins "charging" into Glenn Davis and Davis flopping like he'd been hit by a missile.

It's been out of control for an entire era.  As soon as the NBA came down hard on enforcers.  When the teams couldn't police themselves....The crap you see today ensued.

Laimbeer flops....He gets Parish'd.  Isiah showboats...He gets Malone'd. 

In todays NBA they keep stats for flopping.  It's rewarded.

Disgusting.

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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2012, 07:46:29 PM »

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I wish youtube had a video of Earl Boykins "charging" into Glenn Davis and Davis flopping like he'd been hit by a missile.

It's been out of control for an entire era.  As soon as the NBA came down hard on enforcers.  When the teams couldn't police themselves....The crap you see today ensued.

Laimbeer flops....He gets Parish'd.  Isiah showboats...He gets Malone'd. 

In todays NBA they keep stats for flopping.  It's rewarded.

Disgusting.

You are right. When you combine flopping with the strict rules against physical "enforcement", you get a much softer game filled with fake contact.

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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2012, 07:57:49 PM »

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Is it the flopping or the refs?   I think it is the later.  They make the calls and reward flopping.   It is not just NBA it is also the NCAA too.   They call way too many charges.

I can't fully blame the refs. The game happens too fast, and their eyes can be fooled based on which angle they see the play happen.

Every time?

No, and the refs quite often ignore a flop, and let a player play through an attempted charge.

My issue is that the players have every incentive to keep trying to flop and fool the refs. The penalty doesn't outweigh the reward right now.

I think this is completely the refs fault and is a reflection of how poorly the refs are at this.

While I'm usually more on the sympathetic side when it comes to critiquing refs, (the game does happen at 100mph, with no replay, watching multiple things at once, while standing in the middle of 10 giants), you can't call a foul you don't see.  What the refs are doing is seeing a guy fall, so then calling a foul.  How the heck does that work?  They clearly didn't see a foul, because as the replays show, there wasn't one.  The refs should never call fouls they don't see.  I'd much rather the refs miss foul calls than call ones that aren't there.  Say there are 50 legitimate fouls in a game, do you think the game would be more entertaining if they called all 50 fouls plus 10 that weren't there, or if they missed 10 fouls and only called 40 out of 50?

Also the best way to curb flopping is to just call nothing (which happens way too rarely in my opinion).  A guy flops and there's no call that should be an easy layup.  At the least you're playing 5 on 4.  Let that happen more often and the problem solves itself.

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